The LORD said to my Lord


Joshua Hooi’s recent postings about Theology have inspired me, revved me up to share some of my discoveries regarding Scipture. Not to compete, mind you! :|

I try my best to make the following understandable, interesting and easily readable. I hope it ministers to you, or at least makes you realize how COOL God is!

Read the following verses, taken from Matthew 22:41-46

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?” They said to Him, “ The Son of David.” He said to them, “How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord,’ saying: “The LORD said to my Lord,“ Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”? If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?” And no one was able to answer Him a word, nor from that day on did anyone dare question Him anymore.

Jesus was directly quoting and referencing David, composer of many of the Psalms. Specifically, it was…

Psalm 110:1 – The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

Now this rightly stumped the Pharisees. Who is David calling ‘Lord’? It has to be God Almighty – The Lord being a way of addressing God. Even taken as a generic ‘lord’, who could King David (ruler of all Israel, which at the time bows to no foreign nation) possibly address as ‘lord’ except the only one higher ranking than himself, that is, God? Therefore, the Messiah who is David’s son is at the same time his Lord – God!

But that’s just the introduction of my little Bible study…

From the Psalm, you get this very odd case of God saying to God: “Sit at my right hand…” That’s like me saying to myself: “Yo there myself! Sit at the right hand of myself, myself!” I must be totally schizophrenic to be addressing myself, and then expect to be able to sit NEXT TO myself!

But let’s delve deeper into the proper names of God. In Hebrew, He is directly addressed in three ways: YHWH (translated as Yahweh, or LORD in all capitals), Adonai (translated as Lord with only L capital), or Elohim (translated as God). When YHWH and Adonai occur together, it is translated as Sovereign LORD.

Each of these names refer to our Creator God, but carry different connotations and are used intentionally at specific times in the Bible. I’ll go into that some other time, it’s worth knowing.

Now let’s take a fresh look at the Psalm Jesus was quoting:

Psalm 110:1 – YHWH says to Adonai: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

Listen to that. YHWH says to AdonaiWOW! I mean, WOW! Because if you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh, and accept the concept of the Trinity (see one of my earliest posts), then suddenly it makes incredible sense.

One of member of the Trinity (the Father, YHWH/LORD) is saying to another of the Trinity (the Son, Adonai/Lord which is how the disciples referred to Jesus): “Sit at my right hand…” WOW!!!

It is still God speaking to God, but it doesn’t sound retarded this way. You can see it so clearly when you use the Hebrew terms. Imagine King David’s awe, and perhaps confusion, upon receiving the inspiration for this Psalm. Yet in full faith and obedience, he composed the Psalm without questioning God’s sanity!

Well, I hope you’ve been ministered to (or at least, discovered something WOW! about the Bible). May your faith in the divinity of the Messiah and the reality of the Holy Trinity receive more and more evidence. Until next time!

A Minor Dilemma with NIV

Normally, I use the NIV. But for this discussion, I’ve quoted the NKJV. Why? There seems to be a minor ‘dilemma’ if you use the NIV… Compare that Psalm, with what the Gospel of Matthew records Jesus as saying in the NIV:

‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.” ‘

Notice, that it isn’t YHWH said to Adonai, but Adonai said to Adonai. Did the NIV translators slip up? What does the actual Greek say in the Gospel of Matthew (not looking back at the Psalm and ‘correcting’ the Greek texts from there)?

Footnote: There are opposing views. I firmly believe it is good to ‘test all things’ rather than shut your mind and suck your thumb to other lines of thinking, at least so that you know how firm your own beliefs are. One alternative non-Trinity explanation is at http://www.mindspring.com/~anthonybuzzard/BD86.htm, and another which delves into the usage of Hebrew words is at Focus on the Kingdom.

10 Responses to “The LORD said to my Lord”

  1. Michael Says:

    Hey there was just reading your post on Psalm 110. I belive Jesus is God but you have a problem with what you said in your post. It is this in your quote from Psalm 110:1 – YHWH says to Adonai: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”

    Adonai is not in the hebrew it is Adown, I still feel because God is the only power higher than the King it can still hold it’s meaning but the truth is the big Lord is a misstranslation and because of this people can take it other ways if their hearts chose to do so. Adown is the hebrew word that is there not Adonai and it meens human lord.

    justpassingthrough7@gmail.com is my email if I have mad a mistake in this please let me know. I would like to talk with others that support the tri-unity of God. It has been a wonderful journy of mine in the scriptures. I think using Psalm 110 can leave holes in you theology and there are much more powerfull verses that can be used. I would love to share.

  2. Michael Says:

    lol Oh I see you know this already with your link I missed. Sorry :) I wouls still oike to share some things I have discoverd that might be usefull to you if you like. really interesting some of them please email me if you would like to see them. justpassingthrough@gmail.com.

    God bless Michael.

  3. Asad Says:

    It would be more than interesting to know why the English translation has used ‘Lord’ to describe both the first and second subjects in Prophet David’s (pbuh) prophecy. Could it be to deceive the reader into thinking David (pbuh) is talking about more than one God?

    The meaning which you have extracted is erroneous for the following reasons:

    As Michael has correctly pointed out the second Lord or Adon is clearly inferior (ie human lord) to the first Lord whose right side the Adon must sit at.

    Jesus (pbuh) has clearly and categorically excluded himself form this prophecy when he says that David (pbuh) cannot call him ‘Lord’, someone who is his son. If you deny that Jesus was a son of David then there is no point in continuing this debate.

    This is a clear message to those who insist on mis-representing the true nature of the great messenger of God, namely Jesus son of Mary (pbuh).

    Furthermore, the prophecy further states that the enemies of this great leader will be placed as a footstool under his feet. Clearly, according to Christian doctrine, Jesus was never put in this position and was reported to have been murdered by his enemies.

  4. Scott Thong Says:

    Well actually, Asad, Jesus did not say that David cannot call Him ‘Lord’. What Jesus said was: “If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?”

    The answer to that: According to prophecies foretelling the Messiah, He would be a descendant of David (thus a human)… And yet He would also be God in the flesh! The Pharisees simply didn’t get it that the Messiah would be God Himself – so much for their vaunted boasting in their knowledge of the Scriptures!

    One such verse is Isaiah 6:6 which says:
    “For to us a child is born,
    to us a son is given,
    and the government will be on his shoulders.
    And he will be called
    Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

    Note that He would be born (as humans are), yet He would also be called God! I go into more detail on that in my post http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2006/12/14/christ-as-god-in-the-old-testament/

    On the point that ‘the Lord’ is inferior to ‘the LORD’, that actually fits what Jesus taught. For He Himself said that He only does what the Father wills, what pleases the Father and what He sees the Father doing. Rather than inferior, I would say Jesus is obedient and chooese to be subsevient to the Father.

    I do agree, however, that the LORD said to my Lord example is flawed. Translations are never perfect. However, we can easily check the verses in the original language with any Greek New Testament.

    What is more, we can check if the modern printed Bibles actually say the same thing as the ancient handwritten documents. We can refer to over 24,000 preserved manuscripts kept in museums and universities.

    We can compare them to the non-canonical writings such as the ‘Gospel of Judas’ or the ‘Gospel of Barnabas’ and see why they were not included as part of the New Testament (read them and you’ll find them nonsensical and ill-fitting).

    We can, or rather, non-Christians can run dating tests and find that the Book of Isaiah found among the Dead Sea Scrolls was written centuries before Jesus was born. Yet, this same Isaiah makes many prophecies that Jesus accurately fulfills! http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2006/08/16/isaiah-in-the-dead-sea-scrolls/

    So I ask you: Can you do the same? After all, the third Caliph Uthman (who was NOT a prophet) was the one who compiled the Quran, then destroyed all the other versions. How do you know he didn’t make a mistake in the selection, since he was not a perfect person? What if NOBODY is actually following the original teachings of Prophet Mohammad because Uthman chose wrong and destroyed them?

    And if we’re going to follow Christian doctrine, then yes, Jesus was murdered by His enemies. But as I’m sure we all know, Christian doctrine also says that 3 days later, He returned to life completely healed and whole!

    He had thus conquered the greatest enemies… Death, Hell (separation from God) and the power of sin! Though His death and resurrection, we are given this victory over death, Hell and sin as well.

    And when the Last Days come, Jesus will return from heaven and completely defeat all enemies, metaphorical and physical and spiritual.

    Your argument that Jesus never had His enemies put under His feet (i.e. the people who killed Him) is the same kind of wrong expectation that many had in that time. The Pharisees, the Zealots, Judas Iscariot and many casual followers all expected the Messiah to be a great military leader, who would overthrow the Roman conquerors and physically rule over Israel.

    But Jesus told His disciples that their idea was wrong… For the kingdom the Messiah came to build was the Kingdom of God, composing all those who follow Him with thei hearts.

    Finally, I’d like to say: Good attempt at arguing your point! Keep it up. Keep searching for truths and testing the facts. It is my firm belief that eventually, all genuine truth-seekers will discover that the Christian faith is based on checkable truth and an admirable Saviour.

    God bless!

  5. Asad Says:

    Thank you for your kind words. May God guide us all to the straight path and protect us from following those who have gone astray.

    I will respond to your remark about the origins of the Qur’an even though it may be somewhat off topic.

    Certain Non-Muslim scholars have suggested that the Qur’an, which was compiled into a book during Uthman’s time may not have been the original. It is quite remarkable that they rely on Hadith’s to support their argument. Unlike the Qur’an, Hadith’s are not the word of God and Muslims are more than aware of many fabricated or weak Hadith’s. So to use these is no proof or evidence at all.

    However, the Qur’an was not only written down on whatever the companions could find at the time of the revelations but also memorised by many of the companions. Therefore, it was impossible that the final version could be any different to the original due to this fact alone.

    Going back to the original debate, I clearly stated that if you deny that Jesus was a son of David, you create a serious problem for yourself. For, clearly, he was a son of David and from the line of Isaac just as he was a son of all the prophets emanating from that line.

    Surely you would not exclude yourself from the line of your forefathers?

    Thus, Jesus has not done this. But both conditions cannot be true. Either he is the Lord of David or his son and not both.

  6. oneforthelord Says:

    What about this case?

    A king has a son. His son grows up and ascends to the throne. The former king is no longer ruler, but now submits to the rule of his son. The son is now the lord over the land, including over his father. He is both son of the former king and lord of the former king.

    Jesus is the son of David, but David is no longer the King of Israel. Jesus reigns over David, so he is both the son of David and his Lord.

    What’s so impossible about that happening?

  7. Scott Thong Says:

    Thank YOU for your informative comments, Asad! It is good to have a discussion that is civil and does not degenerate into name-calling.

    Firstly, why can’t Jesus be a son of David and his Lord at the same time? As I explained in my previous comment, this can happen because one of David’s descendants will be the Messiah. In fact, according to the prophecies in Scripture, it HAS to happen – it can’t be any other way!

    Compare this situation to that of Julius Caesar. His father was a high-ranking Praetor of Rome. But Julius became Emperor! So there is a precedent even in Earthly matters where the father calls his own son ‘Lord’.

    Besides, there are many instances where Jesus declares that He is the Messiah (translated as the Christ), the Son of God and God Himself in human flesh. He even let people worship Him. Being a true prophet of God, He would only allow people to worship God, so therefore… He is God!

    So even if we use your interpretation of when Jesus says “How can David’s son be his Lord?”, is just one instance like this enough to cancel all the other times when Jesus Himself says “Yes, I am the Lord!”?

    ——-

    Secondly, on the accuracy of the Quran – May I ask where you learn from that it was also compiled from the memories of the companions, apart from the Hadith? Remember also that many of the companions and original followers died in combat, which is one reason the Hadith was compiled – to preserve the accounts before too many witnesses died.

    ——-

    Thirdly, I agree on the potential inaccuracy of the Hadith. Secular research concludes that they were compiled hundreds of years after the death of Prophet Mohammad. This was enough time for inaccurate or flatly untrue legends to be added among the true accounts.

    We can see this by the many unusual stories found in the Hadith, such as Suleiman having a conversation with an ant.

    Or where Prophet Mohammad says that when a couple conceives, the baby will look like whoever had sexual climax first. ( Volume 6, Book 60, Number 7. See http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/060.sbt.html#006.060.007 )

    According to modern science, the gender of the baby is entirely determined by the father – whether one of his X sperm or Y sperm fertlizes the egg. The features of the child are determined by what mix of genes are carried in the egg and sperm that underwent fertilization.

    Even if the woman never orgasms (often the case I hear!), the baby can look like her. Don’t even get started with in-vitro fertilization, sperm donors and surrogate mothers!

    So either the Prophet was wrong, the account in the Hadith is wrong, or modern science is wrong. I wager you’ll go with the account being wrong.

    A too-late date of writing is one reason Biblical scholars reject books like the Gospel of Barnabas from being included as Holy Scripture. The earliest copies were dated to the Middle Ages, and written in Italian! Definitely not a very direct source.

    ——-

    Fourthly, in many countries, including Malaysia, it is considered heresy to question the authenticity and truthfulness of the Hadith. To do so openly is to invite condemnation, punishment and accusations of apostasy.

    Whereas among Western scholars, the Bible is always being questioned and doubted. It it up to faithful believers to weigh the evidence for themselves and decide if Christianity is the truth, untruth, or complete and intentional lie.

    “Test all things and hold fast to that which is good” – 1 Thessalonians 5:21

    I did test them, I still do, and I’m holding on fast to what is convincingly the truth.

  8. KEN Says:

    Holy is the LORD and above reproach !

    Both books, Bible and Quran, attempt to convey Truth regarding the Most High G-D !

    Unfortunately, both books fall short regardless of Mans most notable and noble attempts !

    To transcribe and describe the Holy Word of G-D is to attempt to explain an indescribable (Spirit) in the best terms possible !

    What is interesting about both views is the fact that two opposing views can appear on the surface far apart yet stem from the same seed and be part of the same tree !

    Men in pursuit of “knowledge” will forever fall short of the glory of G-D !

    Pursue the Righteousness of the Almighty, for that is better !

    Be blessings to the less fortunate !

  9. Virtue Says:

    Testimony of the Word, Jesus the Christ (Messiah)

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all people. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

    There was a man sent from God whose name was John [the Baptist]. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

    The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

    The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

    (John [the Baptist] testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ “) Out of his fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known. – John 1:1-18

    I want to make this known, Jesus; Lord of Lords, Kings of Kings takes NO glory for himself, for he love his Father and whenever he is glorified he glorifies his Father in Heaven. This is his prayer to his Father, our Father:

    After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. – John 17:1-5

    Christ Jesus forgave sins; and only the Father has the authority to forgive sins. Then, what does that make him?

    Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.” – Luke 7:48

    When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” – Mark 2:5

    There’s plenty more but this is share proof that Christ Jesus wasn’t just a mere prophet.

    Furthermore I’d say this, in FLESH, Jesus would be known as son of David, but Mary gave birth without the requirement of a man (A virgin she was) so who’s the Father of this Son? Nonetheless didn’t you listen carefully to John the Baptist testimony? (Read above) Do you not know that the makeup of a human being is flesh & spirit?

    Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” – John 3:5-8

    Continuing… Christ Jesus proves he’s God (the one and only Son of the living Father in Heaven not the Father)

    “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” – John 8:58

    Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”

    Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

    “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

    Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods” ‘? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken—what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” -John 10:25-38

    Another testimony, why did Jesus said ALL authority in Heaven and on Earth has been given to me?

    Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” – Matthew 28:18-20

    The Holy Family name, “God” is just a mere title for human understanding. The reason Christ Jesus gains the glory name, “God.” “King” “Mighty God” does not mean he’s superior to his Father who is also God, King and Mighty. It just means that Jesus; the ONE and ONLY Son of the Most High, is the splitting image of his FATHER. The one and only Son is obedient to his Father because he LOVES his Father and even though he’s being glorified by ALL these titles, he takes the GLORY and GLORIFIES his Father in Heaven. I want you to take note that the Holy Spirit is also in this unity with the Father and the Son, and he’s at work within all of us, keeping us united with the Son, who’s sitting at the righthand of his Father for the last day.

    Children of God, do not seperate the Son from his Father because you do this you too will be seperated on the last day. Be wise like serpants and innocent like doves for we are among Wolves in Sheep clothing. If you reject the son you too will be rejected by the Father on the last day.

    Apostle John’s warnings against deny the one and only Son of the Father:

    Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

    But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Messiah. [d] Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

    As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—eternal life.

    I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him. -1 John 2:10-27

  10. Joshua Says:

    Revelation 22:16 – I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give this testimony to you for the churches. I am the root and descendant of David, the bright and morning star.

    Jesus lineage is spelled out in both Matthew, Luke, and John. The account in John is about his pre-existance before the Universe was even fashioned.

    Therefore he both is Lord over David by being pre-existent and is David’s son by coming down from Heaven and being born of a woman.

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