Indian Origin For Malay History, Words & Customs


This is an interesting letter to The Star. It aught my attention and seems well written, if a little bit blunt in its claims. Add in some references, and you could have a doctoral thesis in there.

Since The Star’s editors would have already gone through the letter to make it more in tune with the norms (as I have learnt from my own edited letters), imagine what the original letter must have been like!

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From The Star 2 Mac 2007:

Knowledge of our roots will benefit us

IN very recent times, the starting date for the study of Malaysian history in the schools has been conveniently fixed around 1400 C.E. It probably coincides with the founding of the Sultanate of Malacca by Parameswara.  

Today, Malaysian school children only learn a little bit about the early Proto Malays and then are conveniently taken on a historical quantum leap to the founding of Malacca.  

Early Indian works speak of a fantastically wealthy place called Savarnadvipa, which meant “land of gold.” This mystical place was said to lie far away, and legend holds that this was probably the most valid reason why the first Indians ventured across the Bay of Bengal and arrived in Kedah around 100 B.C.  

Apart from trade, the early Indians brought a pervasive culture, with Hinduism and Buddhism sweeping through the Indo-Chinese and Malay archipelago lands bringing temples and Indian cultural traditions. The local chiefs began to refer to themselves as “rajahs” and also integrated what they considered the best of Indian governmental traditions with the existing structure. 

I learnt Malayan history in the 1950s and taught it in the 1960s and 1970s in secondary schools. All the history textbooks at the time had the early Indian connection specifically mentioned in them. Teachers of that period taught about the early Indianised kingdoms of Langkasuka, Sri Vijaya and Majapahit that existed from as early as 100 C.E. 

Anyone can see that Parameswara, the founder of Malacca, has a clearly give-away name that points to the Indian/Hindu influence. No one can deny this, and all our children need to know about this. They have the fundamental right to learn about this aspect of our history too. 

Why don’t our children learn about these early Indian connections today? It needs mention here that this early Indian connection has nothing to do with the much later cheap Indian “coolie” labour influx that the British brought over to man the railways and plantations of Malaya from the late 19th century onwards.  

The Malay language as we know it today is already fully impregnated and enriched with many foreign words. This is good. Malay, therefore, has been a bahasa rojak from early times itself. 

Rojak itself (and also cendul) is a Malaysian food developed by an Indian Malayalee Muslim community known as the Malabaris who hailed from Kerala. They were also referred to as kakas. We now wrongly credit the Penang mamaks for this great food. 

The only other bahasa rojak that can beat the Malay language in the matter of foreign word assimilation is the English language because it has “polluted” itself with words from just about every civilisation that exists or existed in this world. 

The very word “Melayu” itself is most probably of Indian origin from the words “Malai Ur,” which means land of mountains in Tamil. Singapur, Nagapur and Indrapur are very common Indian names that have similar backgrounds. 

The early Indians were probably inspired by the main mountain range that looks like a backbone for the Malay peninsula and thus named it Malaiur. The word “malai” is undoubtedly Indian in origin as is the case with the word Himalayas and we all know where it is situated.  

The English word “Malaya” is a further corruption of the word by the British who themselves are very good at corrupting the pronunciation and spelling of and changing the names of indigenous places worldwide to suit their tongue’s capability. The Malay word “Melayu” with the missing “r “ is closer to the original name “Malaiur”.  

To my knowledge, the hundreds of Malay words of Indian origin have not been catalogued by anyone except perhaps the noted Malay scholar Zaaba. Even if such an effort has been made, it is definitely not widely known or ever published.  

Many Malay words, from describing Malay royalty (Raja, Putera, Puteri, Maha, Mulia, Seri, etc) and common everyday terms (bakti, suami, cuma, dunia, bumi, jendela, serpu, kerana), all have Indian connections. The undeniable Indian connection in the word “Indonesia” is also reflected in the name itself. 

The Indian factor that influences even the prevailing Malay culture in terms of music, food, dress and certain other everyday practices like betel chewing and bersanding is another thing over which a loud hush prevails. Why? 

Such knowledge of the roots of this great country, be they Indian, Chinese, Arab or whatever, can indeed very strongly facilitate the ongoing efforts of the Government to make our children think of themselves as Bangsa Malaysia more easily and more readily.  

JOHAMI ABDULLAH,  Seremban, Negri Sembilan. 

117 Responses to “Indian Origin For Malay History, Words & Customs”

  1. Johami Abdullah Says:

    My letter, surprisingly, was published in toto by STAR. I wonder which part of the letter is blunt. They are well known facts which so called nationalists with narrow parochial thoghts are not willing to acknowledge and choose to forget. Johami Abdullah

  2. Scott Thong Says:

    Hi Johami! Wow, it is a surprise that the editors didn’t take their snippers to your letter, especially considering its length and content.

    I guess I felt your letter was a little blunt because it involves certain facts that, as you aptly put it, certain nationalists with narrow parochial thoghts are not willing to acknowledge.

    Well known though they may be, putting it out straightforward the way you did is just a bit risky in my book…and through a national paper no less! No one likes to have the originality of their proud origins questioned – maybe it feels like being accused of being an illegitimate child?

    Certainly my own style is to be as polite and diplomatic as possible, taking great care to speak in a neutral and objective manner so that my arguments cannot be rejected as ‘ad adsurdum’. For example, I would choose to use “Here are the reasons why I believe your idea is flawed…” over “Your stupid ideas suck!!!”

    Partly because of this self-imposed restriction, I admire to people like Ann Coulter who can blast off a steady stream of verbal flame. Therefore, my ‘blunt’ remark was actually a compliment, hehe! We each play a different role. http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2006/10/30/ann-coulter/

    Check out at http://www.othermalaysia.org/ for other academics’ frustrations about the thick blanket that’s smothering our historical heritage.

    “Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all others because you were born in it.” – George Bernard Shaw

    “True patriotism is your realization that there are other countries superior to this one, and so realizing it, you strive to improve this country.” – Scott Thong

  3. Johami Abdullah Says:

    Dear sir,

    Many thanks for your advice. I will try to be more “diplomatic” in future. Perhaps the teacher in me, especially after being at it for 36 years, could be the cause for my “burst” of frustration and bluntness for what we are doing to our impressionable younger generation. Once again, thank you Mr. Scott Thong.

    Johami Abdullah a.k.a. Joe Chelliah

  4. Scott Thong Says:

    It’s alright… If anyone gets rounded up for their outspokenness, it will be the more famous bloggers and Uncle Lee Kuan Yew first. Frustrations with the way things are done… It’s one thing that motivates us to blog, to maybe change things for the better.

  5. Tak caya Says:

    Did you know that the royal rituals in Malaysia are also of Hindu origin, as is the keris (it was the thunderbolt of Lord Indra, god of rain and thunder)?
    So are the titles used e.g seri paduka (seri = sri (good); paduka= feet) as polite commoners could only address the dust under the king’s feet and not the king himself. This style is also used in Thailand, I believe.

    Similiarly, Malay words (more than 200) have been incorporated into English. Any such infusion enriches the host language and is a sign that it is alive, dynamic and well. The Hokkiens in Malaysia (esp Penang) have accepted from, and “donated” to, words from Malay, Tamil, etc. Malaysian Punjabi is at least a century old with Malay, Chinese and English words – it is more formal than every day Punjabi in the Punjab and such people are easily identifiable (by other Malaysians or Singaporeans) when they are speaking to one another in that language. It is same story for the Malaysian Hokkiens and Hakkas. I was quite delighted when I heard Hakka rap in Singapore for the first time in my life.

  6. Michael Chick Says:

    It’s been interesting to read such free-flowing comments on an all “Malaysian” free for all. While we are on the subject, how many of you have read the book entitled “Contesting Malayness – Malay Identity Across Boundaries” Edited by Timothy P. Barnard published by Singapore University Press. Written by a Professor of National University of Singapore. Cost S$32 (about). It reflects the Anthropologists views that there is no such race as the “Malays” to begin with. If we follow the original migration of the Southern Chinese of 6,000yrs ago, they moved into Taiwan, (now the Alisan), then into the Phillipines (now the Aeta) and moved into Borneo (4,500yrs ago) (Dayak). They also split into Sulawesi and progressed into Jawa, and Sumatera. The final migration was to the Malayan Peninsular 3,000yrs ago. A sub-group from Borneo also moved to Champa in Vietnam at 4,500yrs ago.

    Interestingly, the Champa deviant group moved back to present day Kelantan. There are also traces of the Dong Song and HoaBinh migration from Vietnam and Cambodia. To confuse the issue, there was also the Southern Thai migration, from what we know as Pattani today. (see also “Early Kingdoms of the Indonesian Archipelago and the Malay Peninsular”)

    Of course, we also have the Minangkabau’s which come from the descendants of Alexander the Great and a West Indian Princess. (Sejarah Melayu page 1-3)

    So the million Dollar Question… Is there really a race called the “Malays”? All anthropologists DO NOT SEEM TO THINK SO.

    Neither do the “Malays” who live on the West Coast of Johor. They’d rather be called Javanese. What about the west coast Kedah inhabitants who prefer to be known as “Achenese”? or the Ibans who simply want to be known as IBANS. Try calling a Kelabit a “Malay” and see what response you get… you’ll be so glad that their Head-Hunting days are over.

    In an article in the Star, dated: Dec 3rd 2006

    available for on-line viewing at:

    http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2006/12/3/focus/16212814&sec=focus

    An excerp is reproduced here below:

    “The Malays – taken as an aggregation of people of different ethnic backgrounds but who speak the same language or family of languages and share common cultural and traditional ties – are essentially a new race, compared to the Chinese, Indians and the Arabs with their long histories of quests and conquests.

    The Malay nation, therefore, covers people of various ethnic stock, including Javanese, Bugis, Bawean, Achehnese, Thai, orang asli, the indigenous people of Sabah and Sarawak and descendants of Indian Muslims who had married local women.

    Beneath these variations, however, there is a common steely core that is bent on changing the Malay persona from its perceived lethargic character to one that is brave, bold and ready to take on the world. ”

    The definition of “Malay” is therefore simply a collection of people’s who speak a similar type language. With what is meant by a similar type language does not mean that the words are similar. Linguists call this the “Lego-type” language, where words are added on to the root word to make meaning and give tenses and such. Somehow, the Indonesians disagree with this classification and insist on being called “Indonesians” even though the majority of “Malays” have their roots in parts of Indonesia? They refuse to be called “Malay”…. Anyhow you may define it.

    The writer failed to identify (probably didn’t know), that the “Malay” definition also includes, the Champa, Dong Song, HoabinHian, The Taiwanese Alisan and the Philippino Aetas. He also did not identify that the “Orang Asli” are (for lack of a better term) ex-Africans. If you try to call any one of our East Malaysian brothers an “Orang Asli”, they WILL BEAT YOU UP! I had to repeat this because almost all West Malaysians make the same mistake when we cross the South China Sea. Worse, somehow, they feel even more insulted when you call them “Malay”. Somehow, “kurang ajar” is uttered below their breath as if “Malay” was a really bad word for them. I’m still trying to figure this one out.

    Watch “Malays in Africa”; a Museum Negara produced DVD. Also, the “Champa Malays” by the same.

    With this classification, they MUST also include the Phillipinos, the Papua New Guineans, the Australian Aboroginies, as well as the Polynesian Aboroginies. These are of the Australo Melanesians who migrated out of Africa 60,000yrs ago.

    Getting interesting? Read on…

    “Malay” should also include the Taiwanese singer “Ah Mei” who is Alisan as her tribe are the anscestors of the “Malays”. And finally, you will need to define the Southern Chinese (Southern Province) as Malay also, since they are from the same stock 6,000yrs ago.

    Try calling the Bugis a “Malay”. Interestingly, the Bugis, who predominantly live on Sulawesi are not even Indonesians. Neither do they fall into the same group as the migrating Southern Chinese of 6,000yrs ago nor the Australo Melanesian group from Africa.

    Ready for this?

    The Bugis are the cross-breed between the Mongolian Chinese and the wandering Arab Pirates. (FYI, a runaway Ming Dynasty official whom Cheng Ho was sent to hunt down) Interestingly, the Bugis were career Pirates in the Johor-Riau Island areas. Now the nephew of Daeng Kemboja was appointed the First Sultan of Selangor. That makes the entire Selangor Sultanate part Arab, part Chinese! Try talking to the Bugis Museum curator near Kukup in Johor. Kukup is located near the most south-western tip of Johor. (Due south of Pontian Kechil)

    Let’s not even get into the Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekiu, and Hang Lekir, who shared the same family last name as the other super famous “Hang” family member… Hang Li Poh. And who was she? Legend tells us that she is the princess of a Ming Dynasty Emperor who was sent to marry the Sultan of Malacca. Won’t that make the entire Malacca Sultanate downline “Baba” ? Since the older son of the collapsed Malaccan Sultanate got killed in Johor, (the current Sultanate is the downline of the then, Bendahara) the only other son became the Sultan of Perak. Do we see any Chinese-ness in Raja Azlan? Is he the descendant of Hang Li Poh? But wait a minute….

    That’s what legend says. Let’s look at the proof. The solid evidence. There is a well next to the Zheng He Temple in Malacca which is supposed to be the well built by the Sultan of Malacca for her. According to legend, anyone who drinks of it shall re-visit Malacca before they die. Hmmm smells like a romantic fairy tale already. But let’s look at who Hang Li Poh actually is. Which Ming Emperor was she a daughter to? So I got into researching the entire list of Ming Emperors. Guess what? Not a single Ming Emperor’s last name begins with Hang. In fact, all their last names begin with Tzu (pronounced Choo). So who is Hang Li Poh? An Extra Concubine? A Spare Handmaiden? Who knows? But one thing for certain, is that she was no daughter of any of the Ming Emperors. Gone is the romantic notion of the Sultan of Malacca marrying an exotic Chinese Princess. Sorry guys, the Sultan married an unidentified Chinese commoner.

    Next question. If the Baba’s are part Malay, why have they been marginalized by NOT BEING BUMIPUTERA? Which part of “Malay” are they not? Whatever the answer, why then are the Portugese of Malacca BUMIPUTERA? Did they not come 100yrs AFTER the arrival of the first Baba’s? Parameswara founded Malacca in 1411. The Portugese came in 1511, and the Dutch in the 1600’s. Strangely, the Baba’s were in fact once classified a Bumiputera, but some Prime Minister decreed that they were to be strangely “declassified” in the 1960’s. WHY? How can a “native son of the soil” degenerate into an “un-son”? The new classification is “pendatang” meaning a migrant. Wait a minute, isn’t EVERYONE on the Peninsular a migrant to begin with?

    The Sultan of Kelantan had similar roots to the Pattani Kingdom making him of Thai origin. And what is this “coffee table book” by the Sultan of Perlis claiming to be the direct descendant of the prophet Muhammed? Somehow we see Prof Khoo Khay Khim’s signature name on the book. I’ll pay good money to own a copy of it myself. Anyone has a spare?

    Inpersuing this thread, and having looked at the history of Prophet Muhammed (BTW, real name Ahmad) we couldn’t figure out which descendant line The Sultan of Perlis was. Perhaps it was by the name Syed, which transcended. Then we would ask which of the 13 official wives named in the Holy Koran? or was he a descendant from the other 23 names of the non-wives? Of the 13 were (at least known) 3 Israeli women. Then you would also ask yourself, isn’t Prophet Muhammad an Israeli himself? The answer is clear. All descendants of Moses are Israeli. In fact, the Holy Koran teaches that Moses was the First Muslim. Thus confirming all descendants to be Israeli, including Jesus and Prophet Muhammad. It is also found in Sura 2:58&59 which specifically mentions that the Torah and the Kitab (Bible) are Holy Words of Allah. But since this is not a religious discussion, let’s move on to a more anthropological approach.

    So, how many of you have met with orang Asli’s? the more northern you go, the more African they look. Why are they called Negrito’s? It is a Spanish word, from which directly transalates “mini Negros”. The more southern you go, the more “Indonesian” they look. And the ones who live at Cameron Highlands kinda look 50-50. You can see the Batek at Taman Negara, who really look like Eddie Murphy to a certain degree. Or the Negritos who live at the Thai border near Temenggor Lake (north Perak). The Mah Meri in Carrie Island look almost like the Jakuns in Endau Rompin. Half African, half Indonesian.

    By definition, (this is super eye-opening) there was a Hindu Malay Empire in Kedah. Yes, I said right… The Malays were Hindu. It was, by the old name Langkasuka. Today known as Lembah Bujang. This Hindu Malay Empire was 2,000yrs old. Pre-dating Borrobudor AND Angkor Watt. Who came about around 500-600yrs later. Lembah Bujang was THE mighty trading empire, and its biggest influence was by the Indians who were here to help start it. By definition, this should make the Indians BUMIPUTERAS too since they were here 2,000yrs ago! Why are they marginalized?

    Of the 3 books listed, “Contesting Malayness” (about S$32 for soft cover) is “banned” in Malaysia; you will need to “smuggle” it into Malaysia; for very obvious reasons…. :( or read it in Singapore if you don’t feel like breaking the law.

    The other, “Kingdoms of the Indonesian Archipelago, and the Malay Peninsular” (about RM84) are openly sold at all leading bookshops; Kinokuniya, MPH, Borders, Popular, Times, etc. You should be able to find a fair bit of what I’ve been quoting in this book too, but mind you, it is very heavy reading material, and you will struggle through the initial 200+ pages. It is extremely technical in nature. Maybe that’s why it wasn’t banned (yet)…coz our authorities couldn’t make head or tail of it? (FYI, if I wasn’t doing research for my film, I wouldn’t have read it in its entirety)

    While the “Sejarah Melayu” (about RM 35) is available at the University Malaya bookshop. I have both the English and Royal Malay version published by MBRAS.

    Incidentally, the Professor (Author) was invited to speak on this very subject about 2 yrs ago, in KL, invited by the MBRAS. You can imagine the “chaos” this seminar created…… :(

    There were actually many sources for these findings. Any older Philippino Museum Journal also carries these migration stories. This migration is also on display at the Philippines National Museum in Luzon. However, they end with the Aeta, and only briefly mention that the migration continued to Indonesia and Malaysia, but fully acknowledge that all Philippinos came from Taiwan. And before Taiwan, China. There is another book (part of a series) called the “Archipelago Series” endorsed by Tun Mahatir and Marina Mohammad, which states the very same thing right at the introduction on page one. “… that the Malays migrated out of Southern China some 6,000yrs ago…”. I believe it is called the “Pre-History of Malaysia” Hard Cover, about RM99 found in (mostly) MPH. They also carry “Pre-History of Indonesia” by the same authors for the same price.

    It is most interesting to note that our Museum officials invented brand new unheard-of terms such as “Proto-Malay” and “Deutero-Malay”, to replace the accepted Scientific Term, Australo-Melanesians (African descent) and Austronesians (Chinese Descent, or Mongoloid to be precise) in keeping in line with creating this new “Malay” term.. They also created the new term called the Melayu-Polynesian. (Which Melayu exists in the Polynesian Islands?) Maybe they were just trying to be “Patriotic” and “Nationalistic”… who knows…? After all, we also invented the term, “Malaysian Time”. While the rest of the world calls it “Tardy” and “Late”. It’s quite an embarrassment actually…. Singaporeans crossing the border are asked to set their watches back by about 100yrs, to adjust to “Malaysian Time”…

    In a nutshell, the British Colonial Masters, who, for lack of a better description, needed a “blanket” category for ease of classification, used the term “Malay”.

    The only other logical explanation, which I have heard, was that “Malaya” came as a derivative of “Himalaya”, where at Langkasuka, or Lembah Bujang today was where the Indians were describing the locals as “Malai” which means “Hill People” in Tamil. This made perfect sense as the focal point at that time was at Gunung Jerai, and the entire Peninsular had a “Mountain Range” “Banjaran Titiwangsa”, as we call it.

    The Mandarin and Cantonese accurately maintain the accurate pronunciation of “Malai Ren” and “Malai Yun” respectively till this very day. Where “ren” and “yun” both mean “peoples”.

    Interestingly, “Kadar” and “Kidara”, Hindi and Sanskrit words accurately describe “Kedah” of today. They both mean “fertile Land for Rice cultivation. Again, a name given by the Indians 2,000yrs ago during the “Golden Hindu Era” for a duration of 1,500yrs.

    It was during the “Golden Hindu Era” that the new term which the Hindu Malay leaders also adopted the titles, “Sultan” and “Raja”. The Malay Royalty were Hindu at that time, as all of Southeast Asia was under strong Indian influence, including Borrobudor, and Angkor Watt. Bali today still practices devout Hindu Beliefs. The snake amulet worn by the Sultans of today, The Royal Dias, and even the “Pelamin” for weddings are tell-tale signs of these strong Indian influences. So, it was NOT Parameswara who was the first Sultan in Malaya. Sultanage existed approximately 1,500years before he set foot on the Peninsular during the “Golden Hindu Era” of Malaysia. And they were all Hindu.

    “PreHistory of Malaysia” also talks about the “Lost Kingdom” of the “Chi-Tu” where the local Malay Kingdom were Buddhists. The rest of the “Malays” were Animistic Pagans.

    But you may say, “Sejarah Melayu” calls it “Melayu”? Yes, it does. Read it again; is it trying to describe the 200-odd population hamlet near Palembang by the name “Melayu”?(Google Earth will show this village).

    By that same definition, then, the Achehnese should be considered a “race”. So should the Bugis and the Bataks, to be fair. Orang Acheh, Orang Bugis, Orang Laut, Orang Melayu now mean the same… descriptions of ethnic tribes, at best. And since the “Malays” of today are not all descendants of the “Melayu” kampung in Jambi (if I remember correctly), the term Melayu has been wrongly termed. From day one. Maybe this is why the Johoreans still call themselves either Bugis, or Javanese until today. So do the Achehnese on the West coast of Kedah & Perlis and the Kelantanese insist that they came from Champa, Vietnam.

    Morover, the fact that the first 3 pages claiming that “Melayu” comes from Alexander the Great and the West Indian Princess doesn’t help. More importantly, it was written in 1623. By then, the Indians had been calling the locals “Malai” for 1,500 yrs already. So the name stuck….

    And with the Sejarah Melayu (The Malay Annals in page 1-3) naming the grandson of Iskandar Zulkarnain, and the West Indian Princess forming the Minangkabau. Whenever a Malay is asked about it, he usually says it is “Karut” (bullshit), but all Malayan based historians insist on using Sejarah Melayu as THE main reference book for which “Malay” history is based upon. The only other books are “Misa Melayu”, “Hikayat Merong Mahawangsa”, and “Hikayat Hang Tuah” which is of another long and sometimes “heated” discussion.

    I find this strange.

    I also find, that it is strange that the “Chitti’s” (Indian+Malay) of Malacca are categorized as Bumiputera, while their Baba brothers are not. Why? Both existed during the Parameswara days. Which part of the “Malay” side of the Baba’s is not good enough for Bumiputera classification? Re-instate them. They used to be Bumiputera pre 1960’s anyway.

    Instead of “Malay”, I believe that “Maphilindo” (circa 1963) would have been the closest in accurately trying to describe the Malays. However, going by that definition, it should most accurately be “MaphilindoThaiChinDiaVietWanGreekCamfrica”. And it is because of this; even our University Malaya Anthropology professors cannot look at you in the eye and truthfully say that the word “Malay” technically and accurately defines a race.

    This is most unfortunate.

    So, in a nutshell, the “Malays” (anthropologists will disagree with this “race” definition) are TRULY ASIA !!! For once the Tourism Ministry got it right….

    We should stop calling this country “Tanah Melayu” instead call it, “Tanah Truly Asia”

    You must understand now, why I was “tickled pink” when I found out that the Visit Malaysia slogan for 2007 was “Truly Asia”. They are so correct… (even though they missed out Greece and Africa)

    BTW, the name UMNO should be changed to UTANO the new official acronym for “United Truly Asia National Organization” . After all, they started out as a Bugis club in Johor anyway….

    I told you all that I hate race classifications…. This is so depressing. Even more depressing is that the “malays” are not even a race; not since day one.

    “Truly Asia Boleh”

  7. michael oh Says:

    thank you for this very enlightening session. i can at least help my dear ‘malay’ friends in their quest for an identity.

  8. Scott Thong Says:

    Don’t get yourself beat up or arrested. Or beat up, THEN arrested, THEN beat up in ISA jail.

  9. Jamie Says:

    I’d like to point out some minor caveats to your long post, Michael.

    “By definition, (this is super eye-opening) there was a Hindu Malay Empire in Kedah. Yes, I said right… The Malays were Hindu. It was, by the old name Langkasuka. Today known as Lembah Bujang. This Hindu Malay Empire was 2,000yrs old. Pre-dating Borrobudor AND Angkor Watt. Who came about around 500-600yrs later. Lembah Bujang was THE mighty trading empire, and its biggest influence was by the Indians who were here to help start it. By definition, this should make the Indians BUMIPUTERAS too since they were here 2,000yrs ago! Why are they marginalized”

    It was a Hindu Malay kingdom as you said. That does not make it an Indian kingdom. Historically, there have been no major migrations of Indians to Southeast Asia prior to colonial times. Sure there were probably Indian brahmans, traders and visitors to Langkasuka, but the population would have been predominantly Malay, not Indian. Remember, Hindu does not equal being of the Indian race. It is doubtful when you claim that the Indians were in Langkasuka to help start it. It is more likely that the local chieftain, like most Southeast Asian leaders in the ancient past, adopted Hindu elements and chose to be Indianized in order to increase his legitimacy. Yes the Indians might have given him inspiration by bringing him the Hindu teachings, but they did not engage is mass migrations there.

    Also, while “raja” is from Sanskrit, “Sultan” is not an Indian term. It’s derived from Arabic and came into use after Southeast Asia was Islamized. The term ‘Sultan’ is relatively new. The rulers previously identified themselves as devarajas or chakravartin when they were still Hindu, and the Buddhist rulers probably took on the identity of a Buddha (like Jayavarman VII did; he claimed to be Lokesvara Buddha). Not all were Hindu kingdoms. Borobodur was Buddhist, for one. It would be good for you to be more precise and accurate when making contentious arguments such as these.

    The Tamil origin of “Melayu” is only one theory of the origin of the word, so it is not enough to conclude that that is the only origin of the term.

    “But you may say, “Sejarah Melayu” calls it “Melayu”? Yes, it does. Read it again; is it trying to describe the 200-odd population hamlet near Palembang by the name “Melayu”?(Google Earth will show this village).”

    Where do you get this reasoning from? The content clearly does not describe just that small hamlet. It is clear that when the Malay Annals were written Malacca had already become a hugely prosperous entrepot. Why would it be written about a small hamlet, one that’s not even that near to Malacca in the first place?

    Just my two cents.

  10. Jamie Says:

    Sorry, make that Malacca had already become a hugely prosperous entrepot before the Portuguese and the Dutch conquered it, thus the writer would logically want to write about the polity rather than the village.

  11. Michael Chick Says:

    Thanks for the heads-up. Concerning the Lembah Bujang bit. Hinduism in the region for the duration of 1500 years did not arrive by itself. Someone brought it over. In fact, records show that the Gujerati’s brought them over. The Indians were not known to “colonize” They were mere traders. But fact is, the Indians were here at 2AD. And with them, was the introduction of Hinduism. I’m sorry if I did not make that clear.

    To address “Sejarah Melayu” That was not even its original name. I was merely going by its current “tag” for ease of understanding and reference. I believe the original name was “Asal0Usual Raja-Raja” or something to that effect.

    And not to forget that it was written circa 1623, 200years AFTER the demise of Parameswara. And 100years AFTER the demise of Malacca. It is also amazing that it contains many “unbelievable” bits, such as the story of Sri Badang lifting the stone about the size of a bus, or that “my great-granfather ruled for 370years, my grandfather, for 170 years and so on. (I’m using the MBRAS version)

    Also, in my opinion, Pasai was a far superior entreport as compart to the pit-stop called Mallacca. We do know that Parameswara’s son was the first Muslim (Sultan) convert when he wanted to marry the princess of Pasai. Tungku Halim got it wrong, when he wrote about how Parameswara travelled to China and married Hang Li Poh, whom he also claimed was the Daughter of the Ming Emperor. She was no princess. No Ming Dynasty Emperor had a “Hang” last name. They were all Tzu (pronounce Choo)

    Next, to address Borrobudor, typically classified as Hindu, but it contains a carving of Ganesan holding on to a Keris (wavy sword/ knife). This suggests that there were indeed forms of Hinduism influence as well. Perhaps, (just consider this), it was as volatile as the continuously flipping of Hinduism and Buddhism and so forth just like Angkor Watt? It’s just a thought. Because when I was visiting Angkor, I saw both traces within the same temple. Sometimes on directly carved over the other.

    Lastly, there is now an ongoing discussion, as to whther the current site of Malacca is the actual site. Some Historians are pointing to Muar as the original “Malacca” as opposed to the current City. Muar river is much much larger, and seems to be the “connecting” river that (erroneously) flows throught the Peninsular as found in many 17th century maps. The connecting point is actually at Bahau, where it is dragged over land to the Pahang River. I’m working with Prof Peter Borschberg on this theory. Otherwise, there seems to be no other logical explaination for the “connecting” river across the Peninsular.

    In conclusion, I’m now examining the Portuguese Records to see if the “Whoever controls Malacca, has its hand on the throat on Venice” is a mere false construct to “siphon” Portuguese funds for Military use (or otherwise). Towards the end, even the VOC went bankrupt because Malacca was no match for Pasai, or its many neighbours.

    Till furhter research explains, I’ll bid thee adieu for now.

    Cheers

  12. Jamie Says:

    Thanks for your informative post. Regarding Angkor, Jayavarman II to Jayavarman VI (I think) was Hindu, and they were responsible for building much of Angkor. Jayavarman VII however, was Buddhist and he took on the identity of Lokesvara Buddha. That might explain why there are traces of both Hindu and Buddhist carvings.

    I don’t think Borobodur is classified as Hindu. From what I can find in history books and articles, it’s classified as a Buddhist monument, of the Mahayana teachings.

  13. Interested Says:

    I studied history in school in the 60s n 70s.It appears to me that Borodbodur was unmistakenly desribed as “Buddhist”

  14. Jamie Says:

    Isn’t it? That’s what the books published in the last 5-10 years all say. I’d appreciate it if you could list down how they are mistaken.

  15. Interested Says:

    Wow!Jamie you are still up at this hour?
    I just remember vividly Borodbodur was clearly a Buddhist monument.History was and is still my favourite subject.I have never heard of it being Hindu till now.
    The history books then ,I believe was written by the British.

  16. Interested Says:

    By the way,Jamie,those hindu or indianised kingdom may not be of the same stock as the modern day malays.So, can it be called a malay kingdom.It could be called a hindu kingdom in the place now known as the Malay Peninsula.I m just being a devil’s advocate.Can the true impartial historians do some research and tell us the truth.

  17. Jamie Says:

    That’s a good point you have there. There’s actually not much that I’ve read that’s addressed what you’ve raised, so perhaps they really weren’t “malay”. Perhaps they were aborigines or even Tai migrants?

    Yes I agree that it can be called a hindu kingdom/polity, just not necessarily termed as an Indian kingdom.

  18. req Says:

    It is an established fact that modern Malay is 70% foreign (Indian or Sanskrit) and 30% local. Incidentally, please check, the root words of many Dusun (Kadazan) words of Sabah sounds similar to old Malay.

    Britannica Encyclopedia said Malay probably came from Borneo, and the earliest form of Malay probably came from north west Borneo. Modern Malay is of local and Indian origins.

    Consider this fact. There was an Hindu empire called “Empayar Melayur” stretching from Sumatra to Singapur. The earliest Malays were of local and Indian derivatives. The concept of Malay was popularized by the British to denote all the Austronesian Malayo Polynesian stocks.

    Genetic studies showed Malays in Peninsula Malaysia share common genetic origins with Indian Sub Continents and Mongoloid stocks. It was obvious.

  19. wak Says:

    maybe this reply is too late but this excerpt is from the net .. too lazy to find the link..

    “Populations as far apart as Polynesia, Korea, Australia, India and the Middle East show both nuclear and mitochondrial DNA links with the population of Southeast Asia. An example is Thalassaemia, an anaemia associated with resistance to Malaria, which is endemic in a vast arc of territory stretching from the Western Mediterranean and Southern Africa right across to northern Australia and farthest Polynesia. This suggests some degree of settlement by peoples from Sundaland in the areas mentioned above. “

    “Jin Li is a Chinese geneticist who led the research that concluded that all East Asians, including the Chinese, originated from Africa, adding support to the Recent single-origin hypothesis of which he is considered a leading proponent. His team analyzed the Y chromosomes of males around China and compared this group with those of Southeast Asians and Africans. Results of the analysis suggested that Southeast Asia was the first destination of the migration from Africa to Asia which began approximately 60,000 years ago; from there, migrants moved into Southern China, then crossing the Yangtze River to Northern China. The 1998 study, which used genetic markers called microsatellites to compare Chinese populations, did not support an independent origin of Homo sapiens in China. The findings contradict the hypothesis that Peking Man (Homo erectus) was the ancestor of the Chinese people and dispel the myth that the Chinese descended from the Yellow Emperor independently from other ethnic groups.”

    So, lets not argue.. we malay, chinese & indian originated from here, Sundaland! Go find… open up your mind & eyes…

  20. wak Says:

    ..some addition..

    “Dr. Stephen Oppenheimer, in his Eden in the East, suggests that there are visible signs of settled agriculture in the Southeast Asian region at least as early as those in the Middle East. For instance, the cultivation of rice, which needs a fair amount of irrigation, seems to have been undertaken in the Malay Peninsula as early as 9,000 years ago, about 2,000 years before the first signs in India or China [37].”

  21. hutchrun Says:

    Awww I dunno. Zechariah Sitchin says otherwise:

    There is one more planet in our own solar system, not light years away, that comes between Mars and Jupiter every 3,600 years. People from that planet came to Earth almost half a million years ago and did many of the things about which we read in the Bible, in the book of Genesis. I prophecies the return of this planet called Nibiru at this time. The planet is inhabited by intelligent human beings*(other sources disagree with this statement saying that the planet is inhabited with reptilian lifeforms-ed) like us who will come and go between their planet and our planet. They created homo sapiens. We look like them.* ( see commentary above-ed) I call them the Annunaki.

    The starting point for my research goes back to my childhood and schooldays. I wondered about the Nefilim, who are mentioned in Genesis, Chapter six, as the sons of the gods** (Read Star Guests by William Dudley Pelley about the sons of God and who they were) who married the daughters of Man in the days before the great flood, the Deluge. The word Nefilim is commonly, or used to be, translated giants. There were the days when there were giants upon the Earth.

    I questioned this interpretation as a child at school, and I was reprimanded for it because the teacher said you don’t question the Bible. But I did not question the Bible, I questioned an interpretation that seemed inaccurate, because the word, Nefilim, the name by which those extraordinary beings, the sons of the gods** were known, means literally, Those who have come down to earth from the heavens. All the ancient scriptures, the Bible, the Greek myths, the Egyptian myth and texts, the pyramid texts, everything, led to the Sumerians, whose civilization was the first known one six thousand years ago.

    http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/celestial/zechariah.htm

  22. Historyfreak Says:

    Hello Johami,

    I am delighted that you had this article out. I learnt history the way you had learnt from my parents and grand mum. I learnt both old history and modern history of Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia. It is sad that a lot of people are not exposed to the true and old history of South East Asia. I am part Malaysian and Singaporean. My mum being Malaysian, I had the chance to grow up in Malaysia for a few months and the rest of the months in Singapore as my dad is a Singaporean. I am making a wild guess the spice trade from South Asia (India) brought in different types of people. From what I know, Indonesia has this epic story ,Ramayana (in Sanskrit) is often portrayed as a shadow puppet show.Ramayana is an epic story from India and am just curious if it got down to the South East Asian countries during the spice trade during the 7th century or 4th century. Of course we have got the new world and the old world to consider as well, when the lands were connected etc.

    I am just bloody excited as I have got Malay, Mongolian,Nepalese, Sinhalese. Portuguese and Dutch heritage in me and I realized that all these cultures have almost similar food , clothes and certain wordings.

    I am not rooting for a certain nation. I am just more interested to know where did certain people of certain heritage came from and came to a common settlement. It is just so interesting to see the marriage of different heritage blen into one. :)

    I also agree with Wak. I do have traces of African DNA in me.:)

  23. koeng Says:

    I am confused.Why call Malay Peninsular if it is not in the Malay Archipelago! In actual fact it is in the territory of IndoChina.(Britanica)Is it because the Malays from the Malay Archipelago dominate the peninsular during the lanun and sultanate era?
    What I am confuse about is this – what do you call a family with dark skin and speak Tamil in the house between the family and only speak other local language when they are outside?What does this family put in the column for Race on Government borang e.g. Borang Permohonan Untuk Kad Pengenalan. Then if they do not want to be call other than what they want to be called, do not say that the other citizen is an IMMIGRANT.
    WE ARE ALL BANGSA MALAYSIA AND MUST SPEAK BAHASA MALAYSIA.

  24. anonymous Says:

    WOW..this is the 2nd time im reading this article..and im totally agree wit contesting malayness book…fuyoo…sumtimes this ppl talks as if malaysia belongs to malays alone…have thy forgotten the org asli…??

  25. anonymous Says:

    So Malays in M’sia are actualy not Bumiputras and that they self proclaim. Right? I read this part ot the news artical and gor really fumimg……

    “I urge the Chinese not to become like the Jewish in America, where it is not enough that they control the economy, but they also want to dominate politics,” Ahmad told a news conference late Monday in northern Penang state.

    “Consider this a warning from the Malays,” Ahmad said. “The patience of the Malays has a limit. Do not push us against the wall, for we will be forced to turn back and push the Chinese for our own survival.”

    What BIG PILE of CRAP

  26. ravicmd Says:

    Works of archeologist,thesophist so on so fprth experts gives historians ideas to write and rewrite the world history while we argue ths small peninsula belongs to whom? For wild animals first human=migrant, for this jungle natives the others who come after the are migrants so it goes on. Malay is created race during formation of malaya to saveguard their interest by british colonials and they are the one the colonials encountered with records from earlier invaders the portugals and dutch. Who are they, malays decedent of many generation of migrating ,cross culture,mix breeds of many races that would also include chinese and indians. Dont they look like chindians ?…… Well thats not the issue, we forget about their origin and concentrate on colonial time history when all great civilization seem to have setled done this great pirates of the world portugals dutch and english are the ones who is responsible for most of the misnomers that present day historians are puzzled with. As part of divide and rule the and merely a simplied version they divide the muslim natives to be malays,the other natives as the orther bumiputras and chinese and indian brought in by them(the colonizing pr…s) the real thieves of many civilized rich nations. Still another reason they present “malay” cannot find the brotherhood in others is the colonial style ruling governments policy. What disturbs me the most still there ere followers among elite, now well learned ,well exposed present malay community to react to such well organized collonial style plots by present leaders. If only malay could see beyond clouded glory of 50years, and exaggerated glory of 100years of mallacca empire and see 2500 years or more of true historical fame of this land when the great Indian civilization call it SUWARNABUMI, land of gold. then they might find brotherhood in all the races in Malaysia. Yet today Indonesian the world largest muslim country still proud of their past, yet another glories glorious civilization THE LOST WORLD OF ATLANTIS being associated to this part of the world by well known Spanish researcher. I call upon my malay brothers to get out of the colonial mindset created and kept alive by present government and see YOUR TRUE GLORIOUS ORIGIN AND HISTORY>

  27. ravicmd Says:

    Jamie , its far fetch to comment on Borubudur based on history lesson,count on on going research will be better foundation. By the way weather its Hindu kingdom or Buddhist Its by same group of Indians, Bhudissm is a phylosophicaly dif part part of Mother Hinduism,well for that sake all other religious phylosophy can be traced back to Hinduism. There countleess number of temples build by Hindu kings even in India which was converted to Buddhist monesteries. Mark that Bhuddist phylosophy would not consider building temples.In that sense I would go along with Michael’s thoughts as it seems like he has done more research……….

  28. JMR Says:

    Malacca a huge entreport back then, eh? Can anyone tell me where this port is located and where the leftover artifacts/foundations are? Some empire it is if you can’t even defend your capital from a couple of thousand marauding Portuguese Man-o-War. We should all go by the term Malaysians (according to the Constitution) or better yet, Freasians. Citizens united and free from discrimination of background and stereotyping.

  29. simon thong Says:

    ravidmd: “..well for that sake (sic) all other religious phylosophy (sic) can be traced back to Hinduism.” Hindus would like to think that, but sorry, fella, that’s just wishful thinking. In the philosophy of religion, there are the lumpers (all religions are the same, or came from the same source); the splitters (no, they are totally dissimiliar); and those who choose both-and, who see the truth in neither extreme but in both. A lumper, are you?

  30. simon thong Says:

    Sorry, ravicmd.

  31. Scott Thong Says:

    Thousands of Man-o-Wars? It wasn’t even 20 ships and the whole of Malacca crumbled!

    Remember too that Malacca was founded by the Hindu Indonesian prince turned criminal from Majapahit who ran away from the kingdom, was taken in by the Majapahit appointed official in charge of the island that is now Singapore, murdered that kindly official and took his placed, was chased out by the seething Majapahit, and lorded over the Malaccan fishermen with his group of marauding bandits.

  32. Santana Says:

    Hi. Good site.

  33. ratbait Says:

    True “bumiputras” are Indians – not malays. If malay there should be malay word for it.

  34. mystics Says:

    Wow..interesting facts n article.

    I agree that “Malay” civilisation starts way back before the Melaccan Empire and more glorious i assume.

    As for the origins of “Malay” is a very subjective matter. At first, they might not be called “Malay” (malaiyur) by the Indians if these “Malay” people doesnt exist, am i right? The thing is now, this proves that “Malay” did exist…just that what do they called themselves back then before the indians arrives? I agree that “Malay” represents a bigger collective of smaller ethnic group of the same stocks. It’s just a term…

    As for bumiputras title..i agree the Baba are given bumi status as there are a breed of malay+chinese. This thing had been politicised or mayb because the Baba nowadays(not all) doesnt reflect a Baba indentities (malay+chinese) anymore?The have become more chinese?Once again its politics…

    Indian is the real bumiputra’s? Just because they arrived here 2000 yrs ago? But you should have not forget that…when they arrive…they came across the local that they call Malaiyur? Just because the ancient kingdom in kedah is a hindu kingdom, it doesn’t makes the citizens are indians right? There could be more than one race as it is an entreport. For example if an english convert to hindu..doesn’t mean that he/she is Indian right?

    As historian stated before…hinduization happens mainly because of trading activities and missionaries…so the Indian are just bringing the religion of Hindu/Buddhist and of course their culture to the SEA regions. Some more intermarriages happens.

    I bet the ancient “malay” and the modern “malay” are different. My best interest is what are the “malay” really like before the indians arrives and before the hindu/buddhist spread in the region. Can anyone tell me?

  35. joy Says:

    bodoh.semua bodoh belagak pandai tapi bodoh.cerita panjang-panjang.baca sejarah tak pernah jumpa istilah KEPULAUAN MELAYU ka??kalau bodoh tak tau baca MELAYU tengok la PETA bodo.China dgn India tak masuk KEPULAUAN MELAYU bodoh.sb tu tak leh jadi bumiputera bodoh.srivijaya ,palembang ,sunda, sulu ,pattani,tanah melayu,aceh,bugis,yala itu rumpun melayu bodo.china putih hindu hitam.bukan color melayu.hampa dah la bodoh colour blind pulak.bodo!

  36. Scott Thong Says:

    Apakah itu Melayu? Adakah Melayu itu Bugis? Orang Indonesia? Orang Siam? Orang Asli?

    Adakah Tun Dr. Mahathir seorang Melayu? Bagaimana dengan Najib? Ahmad Ismail?

    Sila bacalah karangan Bahasa Melayu berikut: Antara pendatang dan penumpang

  37. Jamie Says:

    Macam katak dalam tempurung agaknya. Tak pernah baca artikel kat universiti ke? Atau hanya tahu baca buku teks kat sekolah menengah?

    Apa tu yang dikatakan berfikir?

  38. joy Says:

    RUMPUN MELAYU=Jawa itu Melayu, Bugis itu Melayu,Banjar juga disebut Melayu, Minangkabau memang Melayu,
    Keturunan Acheh adalah Melayu,Jakun dan Sakai, Senoi asli Melayu,Rawa itu Melayu, Siam Pattani dan Yala pun Melayu,Moro Filipina Melayu,Arab dan Pakistani serap ke Melayu,Mamak dan Malbari serap ke Melayu,Malah mua’alaf bertakrif Melayu(Setelah disunat anunya itu.)Huaishengsi serap Melayu.Orang Bentan itu Melayu. Suku Mepar; Suku Galang, Suku Bulang Orang Bentan; orang Singgera; Orang Kopet, Bulo,Mepar, Galang, Gelam, Sekanna, Sugi, Klong, Trong, dan Tambus, itu semua melayu.Kampung Chia(kampuchea) jelas bahasa Melayu. Banyak lagi..

    LU SAPA?? tumpang sudah lama.Duduk satu tempurung . Busuk macam katak.Busuk mcm tempurung. Tapi tak kenal melayu.tak tau cakap melayu.tak tau terima kasih. tak tau budi.tak tau bahasa .memperolok-olok,bermuka-muka,cakap dan tulis INNGERIS. Smart.Cakap kasih sayang.Teguran atau ugut. Tapi wajah tipu dayus.Bikin kacau di Perak tp selindung balik bontot Melayu.

    LU SAPA?? Turun dari Yunan.Pergi Burma,pergi Vietnam,pergi Kemboja,pergi Indonesia,pergi Tanah Melayu. Pergi Siam.Tapi British reject kamu.Perancis reject kamu.Sepanyol rejecet kamu.Belanda tak mau kamu.Amerika tak mau kamu.JEPUN pun tak mau kamu!!

    Ngaji pandai.Orang lain pun pandai juge. You altered history. Sama-sama bangsa you bole la kencing.. Berjaya and kaya but oh your mind .. but oh.. (pronoun betol2!! in melayu!! )

  39. Jamie Says:

    Hahaha memang kelakar baca tulisan joy.

    Langsung tidak tahu bahawa ramai puak dan suku yang disebut di atas sememangnya BUKAN sejenis dengan Melayu dari segi genetik dan biologi, tetapi diletakkan di bawah jenis “Melayu” kerana politik.

    Kau katakan saya “altered history”. Siapakah yang buat begitu sebenarnya? Bukankah wira kamu, UMNO, yang buat begitu? Semunya untuk politik.

  40. Scott Thong Says:

    Ok, ok. Melayu itu best. Melayu itu kuat. Melayu itu perkasa. Melayu itu number 1.

    Sooooo…… Aku dah kata semua di atas.

    Sekarang, silalah anda seorang Melayu yang paling best mencapailah kejayaan di pentas dunia.

    Silalah menaikkan taraf pendidikanmu dan memenangi salah satu Nobel Prize.

    Silalah memenangi emas, perak atau gangsa di Sukan Olimpik.

    Silalah mengukuhkan nilai Ringgit Malaysia supaya menjadi setaraf dengan Singapore Dollar (dahulu 30 tahun dahulu nilai masih sama, tau?).

    Silalah memajukan Malaysia… Ah, bukan… Tanah Melayu ini sehingga warga dunia kenal apa itu negara anda, dan tidak perlu diberitahu “Oh… Negara saya South of Thailand and North of Singapore” supaya kenal di mana negara anda.

    Cubalah sedaya upaya – janganlah buang masa anda lagi bermain-main di blog, berchatroom, dan mencari bahan lucah.

    Kaum Melayu diberi semua kelebihan di negara ini – kelebihan untuk peluang pendidikan di universiti, kelebihan mencari peluang pekerjaan, kelebihan memegang saham perusahaan, kelebihan mengetuai perusahaan, kelebihan mendapat kontrak usaha, kelebihan agama dan bahasa pun!

    Apa anda hendak lagi? Semuapun sudah diberi kepada anda secara percuma (ah… bukan… sebenarnya dibeli dengan cukai dibayar semua kaum…), takkanlah masih tak boleh mencapai kejayaan yang jauh jauh jauh jauh JAUH lebih daripada kaum yang lain – yang tidak diberi kelebihan begitu?

    Semua kaum itu sama taraf, bukan? Semua kaum sama kualitinya dari segi genetik dan adat resam, bukan? Takkanlah anda tak boleh berjaya?

    BUKAN! Melayu lebih bagus, lebih super punya kaum seperti aku kata di atas. Takkanlah anda masih tak boleh berjaya?

    Cubalah lihat keadaan kaum anda sendiri, yang diberi semua peluang. Adakah anda menggunakannya sebaik mungkin… Ataupun membazirkannya sewenang-wenangnya?

    Tahukah anda, terdapat beribu-ribu orang bukan bumiputera yang ditolak permohonan untuk belajar di universiti – semuanya untuk memberi peluang lebih kepada sesuatu kaum? Tetapi adakah kaum yang berhak istimewa ini menggunakan peluang mas untuk belajar, atau bermain mercun dalam hostel (seperti yang saya lihat dengan mata sendiri)?

    Apa lagi anda hendak bersungut ini? Anda si Melayu sudahpun diberi semua peluang atas pinggan mas. Jika anda gagal dalam kehidupan, anda tidak boleh mensalahkan apa-apa kaum lain – Cina meskipun India meskipun Orang Asli.

    Saya bosan mendengar alasan anda lagi. Kamu mempunyai semua peluang dan kelebihan dalam negara ini. Gunakanlah hak khas anda untuk meninggikan taraf dan prestasi sendiri. Kemudian baru balik ke sini untuk bersungut bahawa ada orang luar yang datang ‘mencuri’ masa hadapan anda.

  41. joy Says:

    Hohoho jamie. aku kelakar atau kamu badut sirkis yg expired? Kamu tahu kah yg era politik BN bermula tahun 1960an. Rumpun Melayu disatukan oleh Kesatuan Melayu Singapura dan Kesatuan Melayu Muda era 1926 atas konsep Melayu Raya atau Indonesia Raya.
    Hohoho jamie.Kamu lah badut yg pandai bercerita badut sejarah badut kamu.
    (Soenarno,R.,’Malay Nationalism,1896-1946’,JSEAH,vol.1.no.1Mac1960)

  42. joy Says:

    Scott, kamu pandai tulis melayu ya

    tp agenda kamu tetap china kan?

  43. Scott Thong Says:

    Agenda saya ialah kebaikan sebanyak orang yang boleh. Tidak kira Cina, Melayu, India, Kadazan, Bidayuh, Orang Asli, Caucasian…

    Dalam pendapat saya, sistem kelebihan untuk orang Melayu tidak perlu dibatalkan pada masa ini. Tetapi, sekiranya hendak kebanyakan daripada orang Melayu berjaya dan maju mencapai tahap dunia pertama, mereka todak boleh dibelai seperti bayi lagi.

    “Seperti ibu singa menolak anaknya ke bawah rimba.”

    Ini peribahasa Melayu yang bermaksud memaksa jagaan anda melalui kesukaran, demi menguatkan semangat dan kebolehannya!

    Sekiranya kebanyakan orang hendak menjadi kuat dan berkebolehan – tidak kira Melayu atau bangsa apa – mereka mesti mencari upah sendiri. Tidak bolehlah sentiasa menunggu kerajaan membiayiai mereka untuk sepanjang hayat! Kerana, suatu hari tidak lama nanti, kekayaan petroleum Malaysia akan dihabiskan – dan kuasa Barat dan Timur dunia globalisasi ini akan menghambakan semua penduduk yang tidak mempunyai kebolehan.

    Tidakkah anda berfikir cakap saya betul? Anak tidak boleh tinggal di rumah ibubapa untuk seumur hidup tanpa bekerja.

  44. joy Says:

    Sound humanize but its not your label,izzit?

    “Seperti ibu singa menolak anaknya ke bawah rimba.”Sorry Mr. scott,its sound inhuman.Beside, the values change as time goes by. I thinking of a proverb that sound more of a good behaviour and morality and humane too like ” speak softly, carry a big stick and you can go far.”

    Mr.Scott, you blow hot and you blow cold.What’s your real beef?

  45. Scott Thong Says:

    Simply put, joy – I want all humans of all races to improve themselves.

    What benefit to society is gained by sitting around collecting welfare cheques? What benefit to the race is gained by getting a free pass into university, only to squander 3 years away lepaking (and throwing firecrackers in the dormitory corridors)? What benefit to the nation is gained by using up its oil wealth while not improving one’s own skills?

    ‘Seperti ibu singa menolak anaknya ke bawah rimba’ may sound brutal, but it is exactly what happened to the Overseas Chinese, and they have become far stronger for the adversity. Just look at Singapore – starting with no water, no resources, no infrastructure, no business. Look at it today.

    I feel I am merely being pragmatic. One day, we will run out of petroleum. Where will that leave our lower-skilled, English and Mandarin illiterate population then? Do you think America and China will ‘play nice’ and ‘show mercy’ and give Malaysia a ‘fair chance’? We need to prepare for that eventuality while we still have time!

    As for mottos, how about ‘No pain, no gain’?

    Or do you have a more effective, practical and pragmatic, ‘gentle’ strategy to raise Malaysia’s competitiveness to international levels?

  46. joy Says:

    Pain being Malaysian scott,izzit. Same to your Hakka, Teochew, Hokkien,Kantonis and Baba. Since the heyday of Malacca Sultanete till the released of Malaysia. Seem all the policies made to all events in Malaysia discriminated you.

    What pains you are sufffered from? Let me shoot you back to the 15th century if you can’t remember that far. Is it hurt when even the Malay Epic brought you up from the nowhere Hang Li Po to the Princess of Malacca. Since 17th century you are well entertained by British in the economy.The Malays only given job as an office boy , a messenger or gardener whereas they are good sailors and business too.It hurts the Malays more than what you deserve as migrate. Even The Johor, Sultan Abu Bakar in the 17th shared business with you.Never interfered you.He left you to your ‘kangchu’ to manage you.Who hurt you then? Its your own ‘hui’! Your triad! Don’t tell me you donno your braders Ghee Hin, Hai San or your Ho Seng! They who burned you down.Is it Malay? What’s blow you ? Again, your Chee Yam Chuan(your Baba) was given the land by Raja Juma’at of Selangor in 1846! Due to your efficiency. What a give and take. So ‘play nice’!As for the china to show their gratitude they declared the sultanate.They even let the sultan to judge the crises cause by you triad by the help of the capitan.Who broke the law to fight against the Brooke after gain so much wealth in Sarawak.It’s you! Who help Brooke then?It your Hakka!!! Pain scott to know the truth of not your liking.
    (Leonard Y.Andaya,Malaysian History.MacMillan Publishers(M)Sdn Bhd.1983)

    Of course, humanism or yelling out a free trade is easy. Just click the keyboard it appear. Seem the capitalism is the only mechanism to solve the economic and social problem .But then there are protectionism policy running among the developed countries. In Malaysia, you doing that to the Malays because you only thinking of your tribe. What a double standard. Really America is a so develop in the living? Then the 30 million of their population are ‘ hard-core poor’, immmoral, crime erupted, alcoholism and hedonism.Mercy from them.No,thanks. Lol, you think you are real lion. No, you are not.Neither in Singapore nor Malaysia.From history telling above you gain Malaysia with no pain.Malay who put you to the top of the world even in the epic.Dont bluff. British left Singapore with infrastructures and good business.Where is your pain? No PAIN only RACIST in you.Who is the real lion? Of course to whom proverb belong to.Tun Abdul Razak! His NEP’s.. He didn’t even grab yours and cut you into pieces to the Malays. He enlarge the cake and cut it equally to all races.Still you get the more share. You are no lion.You are hyena. It hard to reach 30% for the malays because of your protectionism policy.Why Lim Chong Eu in May the 13,(at that time the Penang Chief Minister)left the crisis to Tun Razak to settle ?Because he trusted Tun Razak.He know Tun Razak was no racist.He fought for no Malay tribes.He for Malay Nation.

    Yes, the malay cannot compete your effciency in economic or education either.The statistic shows the most excellent races in academics is you. 70% passed with flying colours in SPM,STP and the first degree honor are you.But Malays are not just ‘sitting around collecting welfare cheques’.You are already tauke. Malays are slow but they progress too.From the gardener or office boy after well-educated policy made by Tun Razak, they stand a bit as tall as you .The Malays suffered from the pain and they deserved it.They have their own profesionals.Specialist, profesor, doctors and more good ‘lion.’ Some go far too by carry a big stick. The students you mentioned just throwing firecrackers in the dormitory corridors. They are not killing you. They just woke you in the middle of the night, scratching unitching head! You worst, living the trouble with the USM officice, because of emptied beer and liquor bottles left in the DTSP after the party ! What a jinx, got stone drunk and litterbuggy in the honorable DTSP. What a bad own history you have created!

    Burnning ? A bit more to make you better. Talk about the social contract . When British left, hundred thousand Chinese commoner were given nationality for no reason. For those no nationality, The Malays don’t even see you off. As for the mercifulness made by Malay and to show your gratitude you sign the contract. That’s history. Do you develop this country ? Yes but by the so giving of the Malay! We pay tax too. ZAKAT too!!! Thinking of ruling Malaysia ? Think before you ink. Even the Bugis in the ancient time realized that they can only ruled Johore by the coop with the Malays .For some times but then they were demolished by the ‘nice player’.

    Lets back to our century . Just to share true experience- the head cutter .If you travel deeper through Sarawak you will reach a place call Sotok. Then, try the 4 wheel drive and have a more nice trip thru the rain forest until you reach a place where there are happy head hanging in the house like ‘limau Tambun’ of Ipoh.’Smiling head’, ‘sweet sour head’.It’s all there. If you are lucky you can find the head with the fresh blood still at the neck . They are all cristians. They send the bodies to the chapels but their head remain. So true, you can change their colour but not the value. As for Singaporean, is there any chinese school officially build by the government? You changed everybody colour.pink, orange,purplee… put tattoo some more.

  47. hutchrun Says:

    “he Malays only given job as an office boy , a messenger or gardener…”

    That is a stupid lie by a moron who is only able to spew BN rubbish and only fit for incineration.
    You desperately need to study more before commenting stupidly. While others tatoo, you need to have your lips sewn up.

  48. wits0 Says:

    “That is a stupid lie by a moron who is only able to spew BN rubbish and only fit for incineration.”

    One wholly enamored by his own vile bathos that’s so synonymous with umno.

  49. yakah Says:

    “Because he trusted Tun Razak.He know Tun Razak was no racist.”

    There also was much joy when the filthy man died of an illness (cancer) that put him through pain every second to pay for his sins during May 13. His son will suffer a similar fate. Joy, joy, joy, joy and umno will follow as the cancer eats through.

    “where there are happy head hanging in the house”

    A school of thought says these were victims of muslims who went around massacring the nons. In Telupid and Lawas they are more friendly, maybe because they are not malays.

  50. yakah Says:

    “They send the bodies to the chapels but their head remain.”

    So what`s new in that. Look at Najib going to hindu samis for sorcery. Many malay bomohs use hindu styled preparations. Btw try calling a Javanese “melayu” and see how hard you get slapped. “Melayu” means a runaway. Paremaswara was melayu, a runaway.
    So are all those who followed. No spines.

  51. yakah Says:

    In Javanese the word Melayu means running away, or a runaway, that is why if you go to Java and ask a Javanese if he is Melayu he will feel very insulted. The word Melayu found on the statue as claimed in your URL; http://www.sabrizain.org/malaya/malays4.htm thus denotes that this person was a Melayu, a “Runaway.”

    These people the runaways whether in Sumatra or in the Malay Peninsula referred to themselves as orang Melayu, it is therefore no coincidence that the word orang is placed before Melayu, people who ran away so to speak.

    In the Malay Peninsular it was gradually accepted as the word to describe the Javanese, the Bugis, the Menang, the Achinese etc. and even the Kelantanese who are actually Yunanese and have their origins in China, because they recognized the fact that at the end of the day they were all Melayu, or Run Aways from their respective homelands the word was accepted by all these communities to describe themselves.

    In fact before the formation of the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO) it is a fact that all the people in the country had referred to themselves as Menang, Achinese, Bugis, Java etc. etc. and we all know that the Kelantanese used to treat the other Melayu, that is the Menang, Java the Bugis etc. as foreigners.

    Well for that matter even Mahathir Mohammed was registered as Indian in King Edwards College where he studied medicine.

    The Malay therefore very much like the Indians, and later the Chinese are Melayu in the very true sense of the word because they all left their respective countries to come to this location in South East Asia called Malaysia today.

    The real natives of the country are the Orang Laut, the Jakun, the Kadazaan, the Iban, the Senoi and the rest, and not the so called Orang Melayu, because these people are actually Javanese, Achinese, Bugis, people from the Mollucas islands, and other parts of neighbouring Indonesia, including those from Cambodia and even China (Yunanese). That explains the word Melayu in various parts of Sumatra too.

  52. Scott Thong Says:

    What is your problem, joy? Why so full of anger, jealousy and hate?

    All I have said is that in my honest opinion – which I am entitled to on my own blog – protectionism and institutionalized coddling in a rapidly globalizing, merciless world will lead to stagnation, poverty and failure. Can you argue with that analysis?

    I never said that the Chinese were stepped on by the British or the Malays – that is your own fantasizing and projection onto me.

    I never said that ‘the Chinese are better’ or that ‘Chinese must support Chinese against other, more qualified candidates’ – again, it is in your own skewed imagination.

    I never even hinted that I want the Chinese to be the bosses – it’s all in your fervent paranoia.

    And as for the DTSP issue, sorry to have to set you straight – as far as I know, it was one particular Indian association that left those bottles there, no insult to Indians who are not affiliated with that particular group. And at least those guys had to MERIT entry into USM before wasting their chance at education.

    So why go off on your unhinged, anti-Chinese rant? Unless you’re hoping to get popular support in the coming UMNO elections!

    Perhaps you interpreted some of my remarks as racist or deragotary. If so, the fault lies with you – I am always careful to be neutral and ‘safe’ with my words, because in this country, people cannot insult races or religions without being rounded up under the ISA. Unless they are Ahmad ‘Pendatang’ Ismail, Najib ‘Chinese blood keris’ Tun Razak, or Badruddin ‘apek and keling’ Amiruldin, or Abdul Aziz ‘burn down the Chinese hall’ Sheikh Fadzir, and… Yourself! But since I am not privileged like them and you, I am always careful to watch my words and tone.

    All I want is for Malaysians – AS A WHOLE – to advance and be prepared and competitive in the coming age. The best way to do that is to push all Malaysians to work harder and smarter, and to treat all Malaysians equally. Which is better – to fight over a bigger portion of a single slice of cake, or to equally share out the contents of an entire bakery?

    I reiterate my warning: If all the Chinese and Indians and Westerners disappeared from Malaysia, and everything else were kept the same, would that in any way solve the challenges facing Malaysia from the merciless globalized forces of America, China, the European Union, etc? Would Malaysia suddenly become a world-class powerhouse if the ‘pendatang’ would just sit down and know their place?

    If not, then shouldn’t the powers that be do something about preparing to meet this future challenge?

    Your rant illustrates the main barrier to achieving unity and progress in Malaysia – a sense of self-righteous entitlement! That you deserve everything simply because you were born. Wake up, dreamer! That doesn’t work anywhere in the world outside of Malaysia!!!

    Yes, you heard me straight – you are the chauvanist, racist, self-superior one here, not me. Let the readers be the judge.

    And please, go and talk to an Orang Asli blogger about native rights, entitlements and privileges before you come back here with your prejudice.

  53. joy Says:

    Yakah,

    My word! Malay is a runaway person. Then your Javanese words are so limited.You also has a narrow attitude of looking at a situation without consider enough possibilities. You should just gone through this blog for analysing the malay .No need to browse other village to express word you want to say. Or maybe you don’t have confident because its flip flop too

    I give you simple common using Javanese and Malay word everyday.And it definite so differently like “butuh” in english is penis. If I say, “Yakah, you butuh!” Its means it’s a word of anger. Its mean “Fuck you” or “Yakah,You suck!”in malay. But in Javanese “butuh” means you are very fond of; interested in so much or love so much. So you see the word “malay” in Javanese is only belong to a small particular group. Different group giving different interpretation izzit. Malai Ur in Tamil means ‘land of mountain’ izzit? As for China Malai Ren and Malai Yun means ‘people’ izzit? Why not the same if you may said they were the first to be here in a pre historic era.Still odd to think where come the word “malay” mentioned by this immigrant if there are no malay even in a day in the land of malay?! Is not the problem if the Malays are from Jawa because still from Rumpun Melayu izzit. If Jawa so insulted being called Melayu why there let Raden Mas Ayu married to the Sultan of Malacca in the Epics?

    I have put in word of one syllable for you. Just to make word easy especially because the person I’m writing to now is stupid. Admit your stupidness please, in the hope that you will stop putting words in others mouth. Or you need you head examining because you are all loopy.Your react have been too pathetic for words.No need to word to orang asli because they know their right.As for those who may concern, there Chinese married to orang asli and it so true.Not because the word of love ; its a word of a free nationality or because the land of no barred

  54. curious Says:

    Salam Sejahtera, Chow San, Vanakam and Hello guys. I was actually looking for the Indian words used in Malay and saw this blog. It was interesting to read everyones view. Ooops must write in Malay right.
    Selepas membaca kesemua komen, saya juga mempunyai beberapa soalan/komen. Mengapa Melayu perlu membuktikan kesahihan/kewujudan mereka. Sejarah orang dulu-dulu adalah benar. Hanya kerajaan sekarang cuba menyembunyikan fakta.
    Saya juga belajar sejarah bahawa orang Cina pernah datang kesini and hidup disini. Seperti Puteri Ang (Melayunasikan sebagai Hang) Li Poh. Oleh kerana baru baru ini, sejarahwan telah mendapat tahu bahawa Hang Jebat, Hang Tuah, Hang Lekir, Hang Lekiu and Hang Kasturi adalah orang Cina dan bukan pahlawan Melayu( http://www.yellowbamboohk.com/yellowbamboo/Origins%20of%20Hang%20Tuah%20by%20John%20Chow.html). Saya difahamkan bahawa, kerajaan and tutup cerita in dari buku teks. Soalan saya adalah kenapa tutup cerita. Adakah salah untuk orang Cina jadi Pahlawan. Begitu juga dengan Paremeswara. Dulu, saya belajar bahawa beliau telah menemui Melaka and memasuki agama Islam. Parameswara di agungkan dulu. Kini selepas menjumpai kubur Parameswara di kubuR Hindu, cerita ini juga di hentikan di buku teks. Adalah pelik ketika budak Budak sekarang memberitahu kita sejarah yang berbeza dari apa yang saya belajar dahulu. Kenapa tutup cerita sejarah bila ia ada unsur Cina and India. Adakah dengan cara ini generasi muda akan jadi bodoh and boleh ditipu untuk memepercayai bahawa mereka adalah pendatang.

    Jika orang Cina dan India pendatang, maka orang Melayu keturunan Islam dari Arab, India, Iran, Pakistan dan Indonesia, juga Pendatang. Hanya kerana subject ini, orang Melayu jadi begitu sensitive kerana mereka tahu kebenarannya. Orang Melayu biasa tidak pernah mempertikaikan hak ini kerana mereka tahu keturunan mereka. Hanya orang Politik sahaja yang mengapi-apikan isu ini.

    Apakah adat Melayu sebenar? Apakah makanan Melayu sebenar? Apakah permainan/musik Melayu sebenar. Tiada yang original. Semua makanan India jadi kuih dan Makanan Melayu. Permainan Wau, wayang kulit juga dipinjam. Musik juga dipinjam, Baju Kurang, kebaja juga di pinjam. Cara hidup orang Melayu boleh di lihat di Cambodia. Sebejik muka orang Melaju, pakaian lelaki dan wanita sebejik macan yang Baju Melaju dan Baju Kurung. Mereka bertutur seperti bahasa Melayu. Kacau dodol pun sama. Oh ya, tarian pun sama.
    Origin orang Melayu yang bukan pendatang dari Arab, Indonesia, India. Kalau betul betul ada orang original Melayu mesti datang dari Kemboja. Tak guna berdebat di blog sahaja jika tak pergi dan lihat dengan mata sendiri.

    Saya tidak mahu debat tentang origin orang Melayu. Saya hanya mahu orang Melayu hormat kaum lain kerana semua orang adalah pendatang ke bumi Malaya ini. Walaupun perkataan Melayu dikatakan wujud dari Indonesia, kebanyakan perkataan Indonesia itu sendiri barasal dari India. Jadi tak perlu debat mana perkataan itu datang. Jika dari Indonesia jadi tidak sah ia dari India juga. Saya hormat orang Indonesia yang tidak pernah mempersoalkan atau menutup sejarah Hindu mereka. Malah duit matawang mereka, sehingga kini mempunyai deva Ganesh. Bali satu-satunya bukti kepulauan Melayu beragama Hindu sebelum menganuti agama Islam. Sesiapapun tidak perlu malu tentang asal usul mereka. Walaupun orang asal Melayu bukan orang India tapi kewujudan orang India adalah bukti agama Hindu yang di percayai oleh orang Melayu sebelum musuk Islam. Ini adalah fakta benar yang tidak boleh dinafikan. Jika orang Melayu malu untuk mengakui nenek moyang mereka pernah menganuti agama Hindu, itu menunjukkan perwatakan mereka sahaja. Jika tak mahu akui, maka jangan ikut adat Hindu. Kenapa panggil “Raja-Raja” Melayu. Tukar semua perkataan and adat yang masih diikut. Tukar cara persandingan. Baik ikut cara orang Arab. Jangan panggil Agung, Duli yang Maha Mulia kerana ini cara orang India panggil raja mereka. Sultan dan Raja tidak perlu guna warna kuning sebagai royal color kerana ini warna kesucian orang India. Ampun Tuanku beribu Ribu ampun juga cara orang India.
    Kenapa masih sujud Sultan dan Agung. Bukan kah ini bukan cara Islam. Hanya cara India dan Cina sujud kepada Raja mereka. Orang Islam tidak boleh sujud orang melainkan Tuhan. Jangan guna perkataan “Sri”. Sri adalah perkataan yang suci bagi orang India. Sri bermaksud suci and termulia. Sri Krishnan, Sri Ram, Sri Devi etc.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri

    Perkataan BUMIPUTERA itu juga perkataan India. Tukarnya kepada penduduk peribumi/orang asli. Jangan guna Bumiputera. Bumi juga perkataan India. Macam mana nak kata original sekarang kerana Melayu tidak mempuyai bahasa sendiri. Sekarang semua perkataan Inggeris dijadikan Melayu. Diskriminasi, Sosial, Demokrasi, organisasi, modernisasi, dan banyak sasi -sasi jadi bahasa Melayu. Saya syor jangan guna Bahasa Melayu jika ia bukan 80% tulen. Lebih baik gunakan Bahasa Malaysia. Ia lebih menunjukkan bahasa camouran semua bangsa yang digunakan.

    Roti Canai (roti Chennai), teh Tarik (dari Kerela), Puttu Piring, Puttu Mayam, Puttu bamboo, kuih bulat berwarna coklat yang senang didapati di pasar malam, Cha Koi kini disebut sebangai kuih Melayu. Kita boleh guna kuih Malaysia tetapi bukan kuih Melayu atau Masakan Melayu. Jangan tukar identity.

    Juga saya terbaca tentang kekeliruan tentang Ankor Wat and Borobudor. Hindu and Buddist bukan 2 agama berbeza. Siddartha (dikenali Buddha) adalah putera Hindu. Beliau telah bertapa dan telah menemui cara untuk mendekati atau menerima rahmat Tuhan. Gautama Buddha tidak pernah berkata bahawa caranya adalah berlainan dari Hindu. Semua mantera and cara sembahyang adalah cara Hindu. Oleh kerana ia popular di Cina and Tibet maka mereka lebih gemar memanggil Buddistism sebagai agama berbeza tetapi ia adalah salah satu cara dalam agama Hindu. Angor Wat pada mulanya dibina oleh SuryaVarma ke-2 untuk Deva Vishnu. Buktinya tertetak pada dinding Angkot Wat yang telah di ukir dengan cerita deva-devi Hindu termasuk perkataan dalam sankrit. Juga perdapat ukiran Apsara (penari syurga). Apsara (perkataan Sankrit) masih digunakan disana. Patung Deva Vishnu juga terletak disana dan patung Deva dan Asura memegang Ular Vasuki adalah cerita Deva- Devi India. Tour guide Kambodia boleh cerita semua cerita deva India. Hanya pada tahun 1432 Sami Buddist jumpa temple in dan meletak patung Buddha dan menggunakannya sebangai kuil Buddist. Jadi tak perlulah debat tentang origin Angkor Wat kerana Buddisim & Hinduism adalah sama sahaja. Hanya mazab yang berbeza. http://www.sacredsites.com/asia/cambodia/angkor_wat.html
    Saya juga boleh akui kebenaran ini kerana saya juga baru balik dari Angkor Wat dan mempunyai gambar sebangai bukti. Jika Angkor Wat tidak penting, mengapa Tun Mathathir pilih model Angkor Wat untuk Petronas Twin Tower KLCC kita. Ia adalah replika Angkor Wat. Not sure how true is this but it looks exactly the same now that I saw Angkor Wat myself. http://mt.m2day.org/2008/content/view/14277/84/

    Most of our bulding are a photocopy of other country- bridge, mosque, Putrajaya, TM building, KL Tower and many buildings. We don’t have our our identity. That’s why my humble request is for not fighting who is bumiputera and fight for the rights after 50 year of Merdeka. Let’s work for a succesfull of Malaysia. Malaysian Identity. True Malaysian Identity will have Malay, Chinese, Indian, Iban, Kadazan and serani influence to creat a unique to only Malaysia. We need an identity. If not we always have to introduce ourselves as Above Singpore and Below Thailand. We don’t have identity because we are still fighting for our rights.

    I really hope Najib is sincere with his One Malaysia slogan. Only 1 Malaysia can bring us to greater hieghts. Kita semua sudah ROJAK jadi tak perlu cari origin. Timun dari Indonesia, Mangga dari India, Sengkuan dari Cina, kuah dari barat, kurma dari Arab, nenas dari mana-mana pun boleh tapi akhirnya yang SEDAP adalah kerana campuran semua ramuan dan bukan kerana satu daripadanya.

    Kalau dieksport berasingan ia tidak dinilai tinggi atau menunjukkan identity Malaysia tetapi jika dijual sebangai Rojak Malaysia ia mesti laris kerana tiada product seperti ini di tempat lain. Kita unique kerana bersatu. Jika berasingan kita hanyalah Pendatang Pendatang yang mahu buktikan siapa datang dulu. Ia tidak penting siapa datang dulu, yang pentingnya siapa MENANG. Yang MENANG hanyalah MALAYSIAN and not Malay, Chinese, Indian or East Malaysia.

    Anyway The World was 1 place before the Tectonic Plates took place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth#The_giant_impact . Selepas bergerak, tanah telah berpisah. Origin semua Manusia ialah dari AFRIKA kemudian agama pertama iaitu Hindu bermula selepas sami-sami bertapa dan mendapat ilham. Kemudian semua orang berpisah mengikut pergerakan bumi dan memberi identiti/bangsa dan agama sendiri. Jika dikaji, semua orang and agama mempunyai kaitan yang sama. Tak pajah gaduh.

  55. melayu Says:

    LOVE and HATE of MELAYU

    Yang China nak Melayu asalnya daripada kaum dia, Hang Tuah cina lah (wow …. Tak Cina hilang di dunia atau Tak Melayu hilang di dunia?), org melayu dari Yunan la…

    yang India nak ngaku yang melayu asalanya dari dia..

    Jawa, Bugis, Mindanoa, Thai…..lagilah panajng citer

    Oklah..semua bangsa2 tu semua ada boleh jadi Melayu kalau ikut perlembagaan, kalau dia ISlam dan budaya melayu.

    Fair?

    Jadi kumpullah orang cina, india, jawa , bugis, filipina, arab, pakistan, hindustan pastu bincang siapa melayu?

    Hakikatnya hari ini, mana2 kaum hatta cina dan india kahwin melayu masuk islam..dia akan jadi melayu.

    Kalau ikut biologi semulajadi…takkan majoriti orang melayu dikenali jika dilihat bermata sepet sebagai melayu atau berkulit hitam legam dikenali sebagai melayu?

    Melayu masa sekarang boleh kelihatan cina, india, arab maupun mat salleh.

    Kalau tak suka orang melayu janganlah kaitkan bangsa awak dengan bangsa melayu.

  56. wonderfulrace Says:

    Semua bangsa-bangsa ni, india cina, filipina, thai, bugis jawa , borneo dan lain2 cakap dia oranglah susur galur asal org melayu sekarang.

    Memangla bangsa melayu ni…bangsa yang makin benci makin disayang.

    Ironi dan Pelik..bangsa melayu yang dianggap bodoh dan malas ini nak juga dikaitkan dengan mereka semua.

    Pelik juga yang melayu yang malas dan bodoh ni tak suka pulak dikaitkan dengan bangsa yang dulunya pernah bertamadun ni…

    Apa istimewa sangat melayu, sampai jadi begitu?

  57. fulrace Says:

    You think Malaysia system by Malacca Sultan feudal Islamic system will make Tanah Melayu traditional and backwards?

    Ironically, that what the malays think is the best should happen uninterruptly 500 yrs ago, b4 the Portugese colonised Malacca!

    Remember, it was through the Malacca Islamic feudal system administration that Malacca become famous and achieve its glory!

    Its the Islamic Sultanate Malay system make the Malacca unique and peace harmonusly before the west intervention!

    The unique system mainly originated by Islamic values from the Arabs made all the non-muslim and muslim live and trade happy at that time.

    It is not the Chinese people or Chinese system that make Malacca harmonius and progressed.

    Its the administration and attitude of the high tolenrancy and compromise of the malays make all the people from all races from all over the world can trade peacefully during that time.

    For this first time in history of the world, 500 yrs ago, all people around the world (west and East) meet each other and learn to understand each other peacefully, not war.

    At that time only the grateful Chinese foreigner will make their own decision to be true Malacca citizen, just like happened to Chinese Peranakan, and make the Bangsa Malaysia happen easily.

    If any foreigner dont like it to stay, they can always make your decision to return to the mainland.

    Not the Arabs , not the white man, not the Chinese land, its the Malay land that Islam adminsitration come to thru global peaceful life for the first time in the world !

    The malay race make Islam and malays blend naturally. The gentleness of malay attitude is perfect blended with Islam values.

    For the first time the world all the people all over the world learned and trade and know each other cultarally peacefully from each other in the land called Malacca (Tanah Melayu)!

    Perhaps bahasa melayu thats was a lingua franca at that time surely will become world language.

    Only God knows what good things can happen if this thing continue uninterruply!

    Sadly…then the west (Portugese, Dutch, English) came and colonised the peaceful land and turn all the things upside down……

    Funny the ‘clever’ white man west cant administer the peaceful land like the ’stupid’ malay…..

  58. Scott Thong Says:

    If you say so, fulrace… I’m sure your opinion is entirely objective, unbiased and backep up by the weight of evidence.

  59. Joy Says:

    Nah. the new and the more critical with insight regarding the topic.

    PROFESOR DIRAJA UNGKU AZIZ :
    “Kita perlu faham bahawa bahasa Melayu dan bahasa Inggeris adalah dua bahasa yang sangat berlainan. Tatabahasa Inggeris banyak diceduk dari bahasa Perancis, Jerman dan bahasa Scandinavia. Dan kemudiannya ia banyak diperbetulkan oleh pujangga agung mereka William Shakespeare kemudiannya barulah ada bahasa Inggeris yang sebenar. Shakespeare merupakan bapa kepada bahasa Inggeris moden dan ia berlaku sekitar kurun ke-17. Tetapi bahasa Melayu sudah ada pada masa itu. Bahasa Melayu sudah digunakan oleh orang Melayu di rantau ini serta di Fiji dan Madagascar. Saya sudah melawat tempat-tempat ini serta melihat buku mengenai nahu mereka dan banyak perkataan Melayu digunakan. Mengikut kajian saya bahasa Melayu sudah wujud lebih dari 1,000 tahun.
    Jika kita lihat Angkor Wat di Kemboja, penduduk mereka telah menggunakan bahasa Melayu yang kebanyakannya diambil dari bahasa Sanskrit. Pelajar Cina yang belajar di sekolah rendah mengikut sistem yang sedia ada sekarang belajar mengikut bahasa ibunda. Tapi saya ingin bertanya apakah yang dimaksudkan dengan “bahasa ibunda”? Bagi orang Cina bahasa mereka ialah Mandarin. Apakah bahasa Mandarin itu bahasa Cina? Sebenarnya tidak. Ia (istilah ‘Mandarin’) berasal dari bahasa Melayu. Saya telah membuat kajian tentang perkara ini. Asalnya bila orang Portugis mahu ke China mereka mahu berjumpa dengan pegawai tinggi dan bertanya apakah status mereka. Jadi orang Portugis di Melaka menyatakan “menteri”. Tapi orang Portugis ketika itu tidak boleh bercakap bahasa Melayu dengan baik. Jadi perkataan menteri itu disebut kepada “menterin” dan apabila mereka pergi ke negeri China untuk berjumpa dengan pegawai tinggi akhirnya perkataan “menterin” tadi bertukar kepada “Mandarin”. Saya telah menulis tentang perkara ini di dalam majalah Economist di London jadi tidak ada sebarang masalah tentang perkara ini.

    Tetapi carilah dalam kamus Cina atau kamus apa sekalipun tentang maksud perkataan Mandarin. Maksud yang tertulis adalah limau mandarin, tidak ada makna lain. Oleh itu tidak ada bahasa Mandarin yang ada hanya bahasa Cina. Para pelajar Cina ini hanya belajar bahasa Mandarin di sekolah tetapi apabila balik ke rumah mereka akan bercakap dalam dialek lain dengan keluarga mereka seperti dialek Kantonis, Hokkien, Teochew.
    Cuba kita tanya orang Cina apa bahasa ibunda mereka? Mungkin ada yang kata Kantonis dan sebagainya. Sekarang ini tidak ramai orang muda Cina yang boleh berbahasa Cina dialek Beijing. Begitu juga orang India ada pelbagai dialek seperti Tamil, Urdu, Punjab dan sebagainya. Jadi di mana bahasa ibundanya? Yang bercakap bahasa ibunda yang betul ialah orang Melayu kerana mereka bercakap Melayu. Ini kerana ibu bapa, nenek dan ahli keluarga mereka semua bercakap bahasa Melayu.”

    http://www.utusan.com.my/utusan/info.asp?y=2009&dt=0719&pub=Utusan_Malaysia&sec=Rencana&pg=re_02.htm

  60. Scott Thong Says:

    So here’s what I’ve always wondered… What did Malays call ‘soup’ before the British came along?

  61. Joy Says:

    “ What did Malays call ’soup’ before the British came along?”- was nothing the matter anymore. The truth is it’s civilization is what is all about. People took, organised and developed good value for the benefits and the civilization of their own society. Civilization develops and have a right to take or have something that is legally yours.
    Your dishonoring , faulting fact and disgracing others are unacceptable.

  62. Scott Thong Says:

    So Parameswara rebelled against the Majapahit civilization, who had the legal right to bring him to justice…

    But he fled to Temasek where the ruler took him in, whereupon he killed said ruler and took over Temasek, which resulted in the Majapahit civilization exercising its legal right to depose a traitor, murderer and usurper…

    But he escaped to the site that would be Melaka, whereupon he and his group of armed fighters (fresh from the Temasek coup) ‘persuaded’ the locals to accept him as Sultan.

    By pre-modern standards, what he did was actually totally normal – looking at history we see how the Chinese, Romans, Persians, Muslims Arabs, Turks, European colonialists and House of Saud all legitimized their claim to a territory by brute force.

    But the founder of the Malaccan Sultanate can’t be claimed to be any better.

  63. Joy Says:

    “..a territory by brute force.”

    You rather study them as would a researcher and an examiner. Encompass with knowledge of all their affairs with an eye of insight. Scrutinize it all. Then you should really know to differentiate between fact and opinion , civilized and uncivilized, the good and the evil in action

  64. Scott Thong Says:

    Fine then, let’s study this the way that CSI and Criminals Minds would using what is actually taught in the official Malaysian education school syllabus (which is highly unlikely to negatively portray anything to do with Melaka, agreed?).

    1) Pre-Melaka: Parameswara showed that he preferred to accomplish things via flash and force rather than intrigue and diplomacy – rebelling against the Majapahit and then tricking, murdering and replacing the ruler of Temasek.

    2) Melaka and after: But after he ‘founded’ Melaka, he suddenly and amazingly became a peaceful and benevolent ruler, gently convincing the local villagers to install him as Sultan and build his palace and surrounding city, and then expanding his empire through trade, diplomacy, marriage, pacts… But not even ONCE violence! Amazing!!!!

    It seems highly unlikely that Parameswara could change his ways 180 degrees in such a short span of time. Besides, why would the local Malay villagers, farmers and fishermen accept an Indonesian warlord as their leader?

    So unless getting chased out by the righteously angry Majapahit twice gave Parameswara a massive epiphany, we can conclude instead the following alternate explanation:

    2) Melaka and after: The incorrigibly violent, lifelong thug Parameswara continued his old ways by bringing his contingent of Temasek-overthrowing raiders and swooping in onto the unsuspecting, defenceless local villagers already inhabiting the area that would become Melaka, enslaving/coercing them into building his new palace and city. He then expanded his empire by strong-arming or impressing nearby tribes with his formidable combat forces, setting up a Somali-pirate-like protection racket in the Straits of Melaka, and marrying into the Chinese vassalship in order to have a powerful backer for his wars of conquest and expansion against the established Pattani and Majapahit territories. With his newfound power and influence, he rewrote the sparse local records to make himself seem like a kindly ruler. The reason for the apparent sudden change shown in our history books – from violent to peaceful – is because he could not change the records kept by Majapahit, in which he was known to be a bloodthirsty and honourless rebel. Thus, any modern accounts of his life before his ascension to Despotic Dictator of Melaka shows him to be violent because they are sourced from the truthful Majapahit archives, while accounts of his Emperorship are taken from the doctored propaganda his own loyal scribes created out of thin air.

    I’ll leave it to the reader to decide which seems the more plausible scenario.

    PS. I don’t really believe any of the theories I put forward above. It’s just fun to prod you to see how you’ll react!

  65. Joy Says:

    Melaka’s greatest glory was not in its miltary prowess or its prosperity and riches – it was in the flowering of Malay culture, literature and society.

    Yet no other people in this century except Soviet citizens have suffered so much mass killing in cold blood as have the Chinese. They were murdered by rebels conniving with their own Empress, and then with the defeat in war of the dynasty, by soldiers and citizens of many other lands. They were killed by mini-despots–warlords–who ruled one part of China or another. They were slaughtered because they happened to live where Nationalist, warlords, communists, or foreign troops fought each other. They were executed because they had the wrong beliefs or attitudes in the wrong place at the wrong time. They were shot because they criticized or opposed their rulers. They were butchered because they resisted rape, were raped, or tried to prevent rape. They were wiped out because they had food or wealth that soldiers or officials wanted. They were assassinated because they were leaders, a threat, or potential antagonists. They were blotted out in the process of building a new society. And they died simply because they were in the way.

  66. Joy Says:

    “A single death is a tragedy,
    a million deaths is a statistic.”

  67. Nasaei Ahmad Says:

    I know, Scott would certainly (or likely) to agree with me if i put it (something) this way: “..all of us are ‘pendatang’ ..including Adam and Eve..!” though I do not mean so..

    I would not be harping on “pendatang” or not, because to me if we view others (Malaysians) as such, surely it is ‘parochial’, racist or something which is not helpful for nation bulding. Furthermore, as far as I’m concerned Islam (my religion) never stressed on any single race (including Arabs). It stresses on conviction or iman. Secondly.. apalah maknanya kalau kita melahirkan “anak tempatan” jika mereka sekadar menjadi citizen yang tidak berguna atau mendatang masalah kepada orang lain dan negara?

  68. Scott Thong Says:

    It is exactly that endless hardship that has made the Chinese the resilient, adaptable and pragmatic people they are today. Simply put, if a Chinese wasn’t tough enough, his/her genes and culture would disappear due to death, plain and simple.

  69. Joy Says:

    You are creamy Scott.You have the tendency to view one’s own culture as good / beautiful / logical / sensible / and true, and then by extension, viewing other peoples’ cultures as less, as ungood, or bizarre.

    And you wrote ‘Adam the first Muslim’ better than Nasaei too.Nasaei is just naive and he is no good at reading too. I have no conscience with the ‘pendatang’. I’m just concern with the ‘no malay even in a day in the land of malay!’
    I just want a better Malaysia too but not ethnocentrism like you or naive like him.

  70. Scott Thong Says:

    What? I don’t get it. Where and when have I shown ethno-centrism? What culture exactly do you think I think is the best? Seriously, I think you have an image of me that totally doesn’t match the image I think I portray.

  71. Code Says:

    From my sense of imaginary you are The Opera with thick make up and you getstabbed and insteed of bleeding you sing!

  72. Rich Says:

    Mungkin teori kita selama ini salah.Prof. Santos dari Brazil menyatakan bahawa dari pelbagai bukti (33 jenis bukti), Nusantara (Asia Tenggara) adalah tempat benua Atlantis yang hilang itu! Semenanjung Tanah Melayu dan Kepulauan Indonesia adalah kemuncak-kemuncak gunung Atlantis yang tidak tenggelam akibat Banjir Besar 11,600 tahun yang lepas. Kota Atlantis itu sendiri tenggelam ke dalam Laut Cina Selatan.Ada kemungkinan bangsa Melayu berasal dari bangsa Atlantis yang menyelamatkan diri menaiki puncak-puncak gunung tinggi ketika berlakunya Banjir Besar itu. Sebahagian bangsa Atlantis yang lain melarikan diri ke Amerika Selatan mendirikan tamadun Inca dan Maya.Sebahagian lain mempengaruhi pembentukan tamadun-tamadun dunia seperti di Mesir, Mesopotamia dll. Wow!!!

  73. Joy Says:

    Time to say goodbye to “Indian Origin For Malay History, Words & Customs” and Hello to Atlantis Origin For Malay History, Words & Custom.Wow!!!

    http://www.atlan.org/

    Great job Rich

  74. Nasaei Ahmad Says:

    Menarik teori Prof. Santos itu. Ini pertama kali saya mendengar hypotesis atau teori ini. Harap dapat Rich sambung lagi maklumat jika ada. Tiada siapa yg tahu apa yang telah berlaku kepada manusia puluhan ribu tahun yang lampau.

  75. hehe Says:

    assalamualaikum dan slamat sjahtera

    nampaknya topik yg baikk
    mencari asal usul yea
    cuba kita panjangkan lg minda kita
    apa yg ada dgn tanah sekangkang kera ni yang nak dgaduhkan

    melayu cina india org asli dan lain2 kalau dpukul mesti rasa sakitkan so kita semua sama, asal dari nabi adam yg diciptakan oleh ALLAH
    so dari pada korang cari bkn2, cari apakah tujuan kita hidup dbumi yg sementara ini k

    nak info je tiada siapa yg sempurna hehehe

  76. Scha Says:

    macam x betul jer informasi nih…ade ke samakan melayu dengan cina dan india…memang asal orang melayu dari cina dan ade kahwin campur dengan india…dan orang itu diberi nama orang melayu,dan walaupun mereka hasil kahwin campur india n cina,mereka ttp melayu..dan satu lagi..memang lah orang melayu dulu agama hindu sbb ade influence dengan kerajaan india…lepas tu jadi buddhist sbb ader orang dari lana thai menguasai thailand masa tu…kemudian tukar islam sbb pengaruh arab…tapi orang melayu ttp melayu,takkan nak mengaku jadi india sbb beragama hindu..ataupun mengaku cina sbb beragama buddhist…atau mengaku jd arab sbb beragama islam…pndpat penulis tak brasas pun..dia ni patut bacca lbh banyak pasal tanah melayu seblum pandai 2 reka sbb untuk menunjukkan bhwa mereka layak dpt bumiputera…dulu tok nenek diaorang jugak janji dulu nk bagi kita special position kalau kita bagi cina n india citizenship…

  77. Nasaei Ahmad Says:

    I hope to read also the roots of Indian and Chinese’s origin, and more established teories on Malays’ etnicity or their ancestory. My grand father told me, his datuk was from Sarawak. He immigrated to Malaya and escaped tribal clashes. So I wonder if Iban or Dayaks were my ancestors.

    Or, if I do have Hawaian, Somao or Polynesian’s origin ?

  78. milk Says:

    singapur was known as TEMASEK not singapur dude get it right
    man just face it that indian are from india chinse are from china and malays cud be the org asli or the original malay

  79. loopedout Says:

    “malays cud be the org asli or the original malay”

    Yeah you go and tell Najis he is a jakun

  80. loopedout Says:

    “Or, if I do have Hawaian, Somao or Polynesian’s origin ?”

    Aiyah do a DNA, then maybe you can stand for next US Presidential elections when you establish link with Hawaii.

  81. Tom Dooley Najib Says:

    Freshly dead Ghazali Shafie mother was sakai and father was pakistani grass cutter……….in pahang.

  82. Scott Thong Says:

    Try calling a Malay an Orang Asli if you dare…

  83. m helmi Says:

    scott.. just a gentle reminder.. IRA in britain are called liberation army, the white came and conquer america (the new land) were called revolutioneers.. any left wingers in the so called white land.. are called freedom fighters.. but why? the coloured people are called savage? terrorist? killers? and other sarcastic terms.. why? don’t you ever give it a thought?

    for your info why baba’s were decreed non bumiputera because many sorry have to use.. many chinese people will take advantage.. why? speak fluent malay, dress up malay and pronounced yourself baba.. look at singapore.. the baba are mostly chinese.. hardly talk malay, don’t dress like malay but still they are recognise as baba.. why? then again.. the eurasian.. peranakans.. actually they were indians.. why? goa is a portuguese colony.. so most of the indians at that time prefer to be christian due to the hindu caste.. and geographical eurasia is a mountaineous region between in ex-ussr and asia.. not in malaysia? not in india, not in singapore.. then why is mixed blood of indian-portuguese saying they are eurasian? the only people can say they are eurasian is the people of eurasia mountain regions.. so why the fuss? try to call the malay orang asli.. it’s how you say it.. if you say.. “MAT! KAU ASLI MELAYU?” or “MAT! KAU MELAYU ASLI?” i don’t think you will offend anyone.. but if you sacarstically.. “MAT! KAU NI MACAM ORANG ASLI” am sure you will be “BERLUMBA_LUMBA GIGI MASUK PERUT” so just a gentle reminder in malay and where all malay stand… DI MANA BUMI DI PIJAK, DI SITU LANGIT DI JUNJUNG.. KALAU MASUK KE KANDANG KAMBING KITA MENGEMBEK, MASUK KUBANG KERBAU KITA MENGUAK..
    so look around you.. there’s something special in the malays where other races may not have.. regardless orang asli, orang laut, champas, pasai, bintan, mantang or other malay origin.. once a malay is always a malay… cheers bro…

  84. loof Says:

    “so look around you.. there’s something special in the malays where other races may not have..”

    ikan bilis brains

  85. joy Says:

    Everything here belong to the Malays

    you eat cheap meats

  86. Nasaei Ahmad Says:

    Sebelum Genaral Election 12 dulu, tak banyak isu2 “Melayu”, “Bumiputra” dll. diperkatakan. Tetapi apabila UMNO kehilangan 5 negeri, AND other Malays in PAS ad PKR started to “diassociated” themselves from UMNO Malays, banyak perkara baru timbul. People started to question. MCA increased it stake and claims as well ? This is the right time MCA, Gerakan and the whole Chinese population to request (or demand) ! When UMNO is weaker?

    But please..don’t be racist.

    Aku tak sokong UMNO sebab terlalu banyak penyimpangan dan penyelewengan. Dan terlau banyak jugak pembuangan bayi.. hasil daripada sikap menjauhi agama (tidak mendekati agama; hasil drpd sikap atau fahaman materialistik ($$$$) dalam hidup, dlm sanubari).

    Kalu nak sebutkan semua kepincangan..tak muat blog ni.

  87. paweena Says:

    Thai amulet we have many Phra Buddha Amulets

  88. free Says:

    we should all just give equal riffhts to everyone,i dont care who cam efrom who but i know that we are all human and should be treated th same

  89. beautifulsanskrit Says:

    for god’s sake, joy, please improve on your language skills before commenting. your comments are so f*cking idiotic with shitty language to boot, it probably made poor michael chick so sick he disappeared.

    and you actually think the ****** are a race. yeah sure and please explain their DNA classification and have a one on one debate with michael crick if you dare. ****** if ever considered a race will be one hell of a stinking, subsidised race always on crutches.

  90. joy Says:

    ‘..please improve on your language skills..’

    hahahaha..chick or crick? abso-f*cking-lutely astounding how quickly you can change people’s name then try to distort all for nice fragrances.

    Better die fast becoz you dont even deserve a crutch

  91. joy Says:

    ‘..please improve on your language skills ..’

    hahaha..improve yr stability first.You unstable n cannot spell people’s name properly.chick became crick meh..aiyaa.Stink you but then try to distort all for nice fragrances.

  92. Nasaei Ahmad Says:

    What do you think of these ‘mumbo-jumbo’ ? :

    1. “Menggalas harapan rakyat”
    2. “Dulu, Kini, dan Selama-nya”
    3. “Juara Rakyat”

    He he he..

  93. beautifulsanskrit Says:

    Joy my joy-less joy

    I unstable meh? aiyaa you are not only a moron who cant spell but a dumb cow who can’t recognize a person’s name correctly as well. Its CHICK moron, not Crick.

    Now now .. dont get upset because your English sucks to high heavens… remember we dont need English coz of the great Ketuanan Bahasa MELAYU! (which unashamedly steals words from Sanskrit, Arabic and god only which other languages). Melayu Boleh! hahaha

    By the way read below:

    http://abyssaldepths.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/just-who-is-michael-chick/

    http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?/topic/27628-malay-origins/

  94. joy Says:

    ‘Its CHICK moron, not Crick. ‘

    hahaha..you are the moron one who spell a person’s nama wrongly!!!haha..read again yr comment on November 1, 10 at 10:37 pm..btw have we met before..that dumb and cow sound familiar..or you DUMBDUMB who try to be a new hero on here

    And who is that chick?

    ‘Who is he, you might ask? Well, I can’t say for sure. He might be an Anthropologist. He might be a University Professor. I don’t know. But he does have some neat and insightful anthropological stuff worth reading.’

    hahaha.. is that all about your ‘hero’ chick ? No,thank you coz I hold on to a very more solid evidence regarding Malay origin.Refer to what Joy Says: September 12, 09 at 10:26 pm

  95. Simon Thong Says:

    The guy you are both talking about may ber this guy:

    Michael Chick Says:
    October 2, 07 at 8:37 pm

    but it’s ok if he’s spelt wrongly at times…our fingers type the wrong letter and we can’t check everything all the time.

  96. SomeDude Says:

    What an interesting blog although was bashed by obvious blatant racists (for example Joy) and the crypto-racists (not gonna name them here). For me I think that Malay culture is no doubt extensively influenced by the Indians. As for genetic lineage we can conclude that the Malays obviously came from China (look up ‘Haplogroup O’ in Wikipedia) through Indochina. Try comparing the facial features of a typical Malay, Tai (Thailand, Laos, Cambodia etc. Hell the Malays are supposed to be considered Tai considering the physical and genetic similarities), Miao-Yao and Han Chinese. You’ll see linear progression of the similarities of the facial features. Even Malay language (without Sanskrit and other Indic words) is an Austronesian language, which is from Austro-Tai, which itself is from Sino-Tibetan(In debate) There is even a proposal for a new, larger language family that is Sino-Austronesian. In short:

    Genetically : Han –> Miao-Yao –> Tai-Kradai –> Malay

    Linguistically : Sino-Tibetan –> Austro-Tai –> Tai-Kadai –> Austronesian –> Malayic –> Malay

    Thus we can conclude that almost, if not all of the ethnic groups in East and Southeast Asia came from China (yes, even the Mongolians/Manchus). But yea the term ‘Malay’, in the political sense in Malaysia, refers to a person who is Muslim, can speak Malay and know the Malay customs. That’s why Mahathir is considered Malay D:

    Anyways great blog you got there =D

    P.S. I’m Malay

  97. joy Says:

    ‘P.S. I’m Malay’ but a stupid malay.

    ..melalui kajian etnolingusitk terhadap 26 kelompok etnik di Yunan itu sendiri,tidak terdapt satupun daripada suku-suku bangsa disitu mempunyai pertalian bahasa dengan rumpun Melayu-Polinesia, atau termasuk dalam bahasa Austronesia.Jadi kalau di Alam Melayu sendirilah asalnya ras Melayu-Polinesia, maka disini jugalah asalnya bahasa Austronesia

  98. SomeDude Says:

    Dsasr orang umno

  99. SomeDude Says:

    What a load of bullsh*t. You are calling me a stupid Malay but you yourself cite information from unknown sources. Habis tu kalau kat Yunan golongan etnik takde pertalian bahasa, tapi mengikut genetik 99% sama. Orang Miao-Yao (ataupun lebih dikenali sebagai Vietnam) datang dari situ. Tai people are from the Miao-Yaos. I think I don’t have to explain to you about the Malays then. Oh btw the term ‘Melayu-Polynesia’ is unused, perhaps only a fad created for political reasons. Perhaps maybe your statement is true (and Wikipedia AND other 1 million google searches are wrong), Perhaps the language did not came from Austro-Tai as you suggest, but came from the eastern islands (Philippines, Borneo etc.). This may be true as there are similarities between Malay (minus the Sanskrit and those -sasi words) and native Bornean languages eg. Dusun, Iban etc. But where do all these languages come from? It can be assured that they came from Taiwan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Austronesian_language)

  100. joy Says:

    ‘Dsasr orang umno’

    You are wrong about me:
    ‘Joy Says: August 20, 09 at 5:14 pm I have no conscience with the ‘pendatang’. I’m just concern with the ‘no malay even in a day in the land of malay!’
    You just another nicompoo mamat!( as said by simon thong)should read it all the post from the beginning

  101. Simon Thong Says:

    You just another nicompoo mamat!( as said by simon thong)should read it all the post from the beginning

    Joy, I don’t think I would call SomeDude a nincompoop mamat! I was going to say, malay or not malay, he has brains; and you, also, Joy.

    I’m chinese and know lots of stupid chinese…taught so many. I also taught malay and some were very smart. No race has a monopoly on stupidity, or intelligence.

  102. SomeDude Says:

    ‘Everything here belong to the Malays

    you eat cheap meats’ – Joy

    Dude is that even a sentence. Seems like a very racist sentence to me (IF it is considered a sentence)

  103. Simon Thong Says:

    Everything belonged to the malays in the past, or so they perceived, ignoring the orang asli’s rights as earlier sqatters than they.

    Now, everything belongs to ALL MALAYSIANS.

  104. joy Says:

    ‘ikan bilis brains’

    ‘you eat cheap meats’

    Its a nice contrast, Somedude..nothing personal.

  105. SomeDude Says:

    @Joy

    I’m sensing troll’s remorse

  106. joy Says:

    Well, if you think this is a book of love you can carry it on your head around yr kampug but please tell your folks too about ‘no malay even in a day in the land of malay!’
    Do please tell if their trolls senses are not tingling.

  107. SomeDude Says:

    Joy u dumbf*ck, JOY don even sound like a malay name, malays are nice ppl don ruin their image by trying to ba hero here….u wasted sperm…RUDMF!!!

  108. SomeDude Says:

    LOL dude it’s okay to counter Joy’s argument but don’t impersonate me k! :D

  109. Simon Thong Says:

    u got a clone! lol

  110. Scott Thong Says:

    I can attest that the comment at 2.23pm is the same SomeDude who had been mocking joy for a while. The ‘SomeDude’ immediately prior is not the old timer.

  111. Simon Thong Says:

    This one is a coward:
    # SomeDude Says:
    April 21, 11 at 12:02 am

  112. Simon Thong Says:

    Which reminds of the time some months ago when several different people commenting on some blog claimed to sloone.

  113. Roon Says:

    All races are created by their respective members – the human race, the race I believe, we all belong to, by humans; some members of the human race collectively called themselves Romans, so the Roman race was born; later, some collectively called themselves Egyptian, Arabs, Chinese, Indians, etc. Hence, if a group of people collectively call themselves Malays, then they are of the Malay race.

  114. Consignment Store Says:

    The specifications are: The ball is starting away from the catcher.
    Let the hat dry before wearing.So, the baseball bat or pitch for
    any of your list as a starter for NPB’s most popular for collectors. If at all levels of play only.

  115. Ben Hua Says:

    Don’t change the truth for individual interest.. Names and culture all derieve from the Indian Continent itself.. Please don’t change history and you can never change Historical figures race too.. God bless those who speak the truth..

  116. mounuick Says:

    Malaysia owes a lot to Indians for their culture, cuisine, language than any other country

  117. joy Says:

    Lucky me-Malaysian. My body dont smell like Indians ‘curry yadda’ although dont take a bathe after a hard day work. :)

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