Johor Criminals Chase and Ram Car, Rape Girl (and Another Gang Rape On Next Day)


Now you don’t even have to stop at a petrol station to be ambushed and brutally assaulted. The animalistic, inhuman, godless, evil b*astards so common in Johor will come to find you on the road.

But like the other recent cases, this happened at night. Not even after midnight, mind you! As soon as the sun even starts to go down, the beasts will be on the prowl.

The safest thing to do: stay at home at night. Do not go out at all. Not even in a group are you safe in Johor!

Johor police, this is my ultimatum: Find and catch these particular criminals, or I will write scathing letters criticizing the situation in Johor every week until they are published.

And when you’re done with that, there is ANOTHER gang rape case that happened the day after at the bottom of this post!

UPDATE 15 JUNE: Sketch and identity of one of the rapists. If you see this man, please remove his eyeballs from his head with a screwdriver.

UPDATE 16 JUNE: 14 have been arrested in connection with this and other cases.

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More detailed report thanks to Ninjapura who linked to it.

From The Electric Newspaper, Singapore, 14 June 2007:

HAVE FUN WITH US OR WE’LL KILL HIM: JB robbers kidnap couple and rape girl, 19 

I had no choice but to say yes 
June 14, 2007

SHE watched helplessly as four knife-wielding robbers took turns to ruthlessly beat up her boyfriend.

Then one of them gave her this chilling choice: ‘Let us have fun with you, or we will kill your boyfriend.’

The woman, 19, felt she had no choice but to comply. She was then gang-raped by three of the robbers, while her semi-conscious boyfriend, 22, lay metres away.

The horrific incident happened around 10pm on Monday night in Gelang Petah in Johor, near the Second Link.

The boyfriend, who wanted to be known just as Ah Li, said that he had driven to Pontian to pick up his waitress-girlfriend to return home to Johor Baru.

They were in Gelang Petah when a silver Toyota suddenly banged into their red Proton Iswara from behind.

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May pointing to the bruise on the back of her head where the robbers hit her. — Pictures: NANYANG SIANG PAU, CHINA PRESS

Ah Li, a mechanic, said he saw four burly men in the other car, so he decided not to stop.

His girlfriend, May (not her real name), said: ‘The car kept flashing its high beam at us. That’s when we realised something was wrong, so we accelerated to get away.’

Ah Li called his older brother on his handphone to alert him that they were being pursued. He asked his brother to get help.

Then he made the fatal mistake of turning off the expressway in Nusajaya to shake off their pursuers – and ended up on a dead-end road.

Ah Li tried frantically to turn the car around, but it broke down.

When the robbers caught up with them, Ah Li tried to call his older brother for help again, but a robber snatched away his phone.

When he tried to escape, the robbers pulled out two knives, beat him up and slashed his right leg.

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They bundled their victims into the Toyota, with May seated in front between the driver and a robber holding a knife at her abdomen. Ah Li was subdued by the two other robbers in the back.

When they reached a toll booth, the robbers pressed the knives into their victims and warned them not to say anything.

The toll booth attendant did not realise anything was amiss, despite there being three people squeezed in the front.

The robbers stopped the car at a deserted clearing in Taman Tampoi Indah, some 40km away from the robbery site, reported The New Straits Times.

Said May: ‘They pushed my boyfriend out and kept beating him.

‘Then one of them grabbed my arm and said, ‘If you let us have some fun, I won’t kill your boyfriend. After we are done, I’ll let you both go free.’

‘Under those circumstances, I had no choice but to say yes.’

She thought she would only have to endure one rape. But after the first man was done, two others raped her as well while the last robber kept watch over her semi-conscious boyfriend.

They then left the victims and sped off.

May stumbled to the main road and tried to get help.

Thankfully, five people on their way to supper saw the crying girl and stopped their car.

They called the police and ambulance – but were asked to call other police branches, as the robbery and rapes had taken place in different jurisdictions.

Said one of the good Samaritans: ‘The boyfriend was lying on the grass bleeding… We waited for half an hour, and when no police came, three of my friends sent them to the hospital in the car, while two of us followed in a taxi.’

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He said he felt sickened when they passed a toll booth just 500m from where they found the victims, and saw a police patrol car.

Equally frustrated was Ah Li’s older brother.

The 27-year-old salesman was in tears as he recounted his brother’s distress calls.

Recalling the second call, he said his brother had shouted: ‘The car has stalled!’

He then heard a commotion, then May screaming: ‘They have a knife!’ before the phone was snatched away.

His parents went to a police station to make a report, but no action was taken.

The brother then drove to the Gelang Petah area himself to try to look for them.

He spotted a patrol car and flagged it down. He said he begged the three police officers inside to help search for the couple, but the officers were unmoved and later drove off.

A Johor police spokesman said the unfortunate situation had arisen because the robbery and rape took place in different jurisdictions.

He said that when the public call the police, they need time to ascertain the location and situation of the crime, and delays may result.

He said the matter would be investigated thoroughly.

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From The Star 13 June 2007:

Trio rape girl after car chase

JOHOR BARU: A 19-year-old girl was raped by three men as her 22-year-old boyfriend could only watch helplessly, after he had been slashed twice. 

The victims were abducted by four men after a brief car chase and taken to a secluded area in Taman Tampoi Indah where the girl was raped. 

The victims had been on their way to the city from Pontian at 10.30pm on Monday when a car rammed them from behind in Gelang Patah. 

Sensing trouble, they did not stop but the vehicle chased after them. After about 10km, the victims’ car broke down near Nusajaya. 

Two men armed with parangs stepped out of the car while another two remained inside. 

The two took the victims’ belongings but the boyfriend tried to escape. How- ever, he was caught by one of the assailants and slashed twice on his right leg. He was also punched and kicked. 

The victims were then forced into the assailants’ car and taken to Taman Tampoi Indah, where three of the suspects took turns raping the girl while the fourth man watched. 

They then fled. 

The girl managed to flag down a passer-by and the two were taken to Sultanah Aminah Hospital for treatment. 

The man is currently receiving treatment while the girl has lodged a report at the Tampoi police station. 

Johor Baru (south) OCPD ACP Shafie Ismail confirmed the case. He urged those with information on the case to call the police at 07-221 2999 or the nearest police station.  

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The next gang rape case, from The Star 14 June 2007:

Another woman gang-raped

JOHOR BARU: A group of men took a couple on a terror ride before raping the woman, the second such case in as many days here. 

A 55-year-old contractor and his 35-year-old female friend had stopped at a petrol station along the Pasir Gudang highway at 10.30pm last week. 

As he was filling up, three men armed with parang overpowered him and forced both victims into the car. 

The assailants took the victims on a one-hour terror ride before stopping at a secluded area along the highway. 

As in the case on Monday, the contractor was slashed in the leg when he tried to escape. 

With the injured victim watching helplessly, the men took turns to rape the woman before fleeing in another car driven by an accomplice. 

The victims lodged a police report after the incident. 

On Monday, a 19-year-old girl was raped by three men as her boyfriend watched helplessly in Taman Tampoi Indah. 

Their car was rammed into by another car. Three men in the car then abducted the couple. The boyfriend was also slashed in the leg when he tried to escape. 

In another incident, a doctor, in her 50s, fell and injured her head after two thieves on a motorcycle snatched her handbag while she was walking to her car in Taman Melody yesterday. 

Passers-by who saw the incident caught one of the suspects. He was handed over to the police.  


99 Responses to “Johor Criminals Chase and Ram Car, Rape Girl (and Another Gang Rape On Next Day)”

  1. A|C Says:

    I’m sooooooo upset and frastruted why Malaysia become like this??? Come on, police, your job is suppose to prevent the crime, not just stop your police car nx to road shouder and stop the speeding car??

    Hey police, just think about it, what if this happen to your family member or yourself?

  2. Moose Says:

    The Star already conveniently left out a lot of information, as compared to the headlines in the chinese newspapers… The latter will make u vomit blood.

  3. Enforcer Says:

    I wonder what is the Johor police are doing. They get paid and they do nothing to help to bring down the skyhigh crime rate.

    What a useless bunch of lazy pigs!!!

  4. jackfook Says:

    It is very disappointing that the police did not perform their job well even though their salary are adjusted.Come on,police.If every malaysian has pistol or shot gun,we can handle those criminals.we need not look at your face.If government wants to develop iskandar project,why not put more effort in bashing the criminals.I hope police force of johor,please..please do something.If you claim insufficent of members,ask backup from national military to assist you.Organize a giant spot-check at all the roads from time to time.There will be lot of plotted criminals can be arrested.I understand no one like to be criticised.Therefore,do someting about it.No one likes to be the next victim or crime!!!!

  5. Ninja Says:

    Yeah, according to Chinese newspapers and those published in Singapore media:

    “He said he felt sickened when they passed a toll booth just 500m from where they found the victims, and saw a police patrol car.

    ….

    His parents went to a police station to make a report, but no action was taken.

    The brother then drove to the Gelang Petah area himself to try to look for them.

    He spotted a patrol car and flagged it down. He said he begged the three police officers inside to help search for the couple, but the officers were unmoved and later drove off.

    A Johor police spokesman said the unfortunate situation had arisen because the robbery and rape took place in different jurisdictions.

    He said that when the public call the police, they need time to ascertain the location and situation of the crime, and delays may result.

    He said the matter would be investigated thoroughly.”

  6. xtremesportx Says:

    I felt sick!!

  7. Aman Shakya Says:

    Shame on the Malay police and the government for letting such deplorable things happen.

  8. Sally Says:

    Really upset. Shame on the Johor police! “Mesra, Cepat dan Tepat” Where is the quality? What does the slogan means to the police there? Where is your commitment to all of the resident?

  9. Porkseller Says:

    Maybe the crime cannot be avoided. But the 3 policemen who were unmoved and drove off – what is this supposed to mean? The govt has to step in and sack them and sent them to jail as a deterrent to other policemen. I hope and prey that their family members also suffer the same fate as the 19-year old girl. Really, I sincerely hope so. That would be their just reward for not doing their job.

    And to the policewoman, in the later case, who has the cheek to comment that the 35-year old woman doesn’t look like a rape victim this is to you. I hope you get rape brutally too very soon. I even hope your daughter/s suffer the same fate too. Then you can scrutinise for yourself how a rape victim should look like, you mother-f***er.

    And most importantly, the govt should now amend the laws and implement capital punishment, that means death, for rapist and brutal crimes, like the gelang patah case. The four bastards should be hanged. If the malaysian govt doesn’t do so thus allowing such crimes to carry on, then they should not blame the people should they start taking the laws into their own hands. This would be the consequences for the ruling govt to bear. There’s no ifs and buts here. The choice now is very clear. Do it or you don’t deserve to rule the country, starting with the hanging of the four bloody-bastards. I repeat – the four bastards MUST be hanged. Other punishments will not and will never appease the public’s anger.

    As for now, F*** the Johor Police force.

  10. John Says:

    Yeah, Malaysia Boleh! Chinese in Malaysia will always be oppressed, you guys ought to come over to SG, this will not ever happen. F*** place, f*** country

  11. Chris Says:

    Im from Singapore and i worry for my female friend in JB. i long heard about the crimes in Malaysia and recently lots have been happening in JB. I do not want the day that i received a news that something happen to my friend. I am sure the victims want to do something. I am sure someone out there has intention to form a team to find and flush out these ppl. Obviously these ppl wont be coming from the Malaysia Police force. Any one with the intention here? mail me chrischia8289@yahoo.com.sg

  12. Ashley Says:

    i’m super upset to heard about the case. Hopefully that all the criminal are really caught and punished.. what i’m really worry is, the criminal was caught and is then release without taken action. so i would only say, PLEASE all the police that incharge, we really want a peacful country. so.. WAKE UP! and do something!

  13. king Says:

    nowaday, in Malaysia, so many of Malay guy involved in rape, most of the victims are Chinese, although this is a sensitive issue in Malaysia, but it is real. everyday, when i read the newspaper, a lot of robbery, killing, and rape can see in the newspaper. but when i was read the Malay newspaper, it seems like never happen this kind of SHAMEful thing, maybe most of them are malay, so they not dare to destroy their “good” reputation. What a sh*t are them. they cant even know their problem now, involved several kind of criminal. How dare they still can say “Malaysia Boleh”??Allah teach them to be a good man, but they never follow, sometimes, PRAY(Sembahyang) is nothing, your heart must be good and kind….Chinese have contribute a lot to this country, but finally what they get?they get “ROB”, “RAPE”,”KILL”. I dont want mentioned again what race they are, those who read my msg here will automatically understand. Every year more than 1800 rape case in Malaysia, i think more than half ppl is chinese. The figure that i show here is quite terrible, u can imagine everyday how many RAPE case happen in Malaysia, mostly the VICTIMS are chinese. I still can recall back in 1998, Many Chinese in Indonesia RAPE by the BARBARIAN(Indon), more than 200 chinese gal rape within a week, and some of them kill also. ALLAH will know what u did, dont even sembahyang if your heart is DIRTY!!!

    [Note: the same comment was placed at the following posts:

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/06/16/14-arrested-johor-gang-rapes-solved/

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/06/15/car-ramming-gang-rapist-sketch-and-update/

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/05/04/jb-woman-opens-car-door-for-robber-and-gets-carjacked-gang-raped/

    So I deleted the extra copies – Scott]

  14. TimeWaster Says:

    Yeah and here we are promoting Visit Malaysia 2007 :s
    The whole thing should read Visit Msia 2007 and Experience TrueGang Bang!

  15. me Says:

    Malaysia government is useless, u know why the country facing a lot of criminal?because so many of the minister or cabinet is useless, policemen, government servant all work like a hell, lazy, stupid, but always want to get the better thing. if cant get a better profit, they will “rob” from other races. Y u need a priority(keistimewaan} when u r not working hard?on saturday when so many ppl still working, most of the them laying in house, shopping in the complex. once they see something they want to buy, they will try to think how to get the money from other people. I still can recall back Malaysia government said less then 5% of the policemen involved in corruption, maybe i am the “lucky person”, i have 5 times blocking by the policemen, everytime money can settle many things. i staying in malay area, i seldom see the policemen have road block on this area, many of the rider didnt use the helmet, when police car passby and see the rider didnt use the helmet, they just pretend see nothing. but i always see the policemen have road block at other races residential area, maybe they want to “protect” us!!!Nowaday so many criminal happen, government have to say sorry to us, coz they didnt take an action and didnt did they job well, let a bad people continue rob,rape, murder. Talking about rape case, nowaday so serious. mostly the RAPER is Malay. i didnt blame u if u rape your own race, but please dont always rape other races. if u need sex, go to find ur wife, if no wife, then go to find prostitute, if no money, then just work hard, stupid!!!disappointed with u—Malaysia

  16. Scott Thong Says:

    Dear ISA, please note that these are the honest feelings of various people, and not the words of Scott Thong. I’m leaving them here so that at the very least, you’ll know how the grassroots really feel about all of this.

  17. tee ong Says:

    Hi Scott, I am totally worried about the situation in Johor. My family for holiday and now with the worse ever situation…we are thinking of selling up and leave the shit hole called Johor. The police is not doing anything and u see mire if them in the station then out on the street. Here in UK, the Police really liked their jobs and make sure they catch the criminals. I really appreciate your website and your efforts to alert others of the situation in Johor. I have already started to educate my friends here not to visit Malaysia as it is a crime infected country. Johor gets a special mention. They are now going to thailand instead.

    take care

  18. Scott Thong Says:

    Ooo… Thailand isn’t a bad idea, but stay far away from the restive South (Muslim unrest going on there) and the capital Bangkok (occassional demonstrations and where coups will happen if they do).

    On the whole, Malaysia isn’t that badly crime-infested… Worse than Singapore, but better than the US. And after the public outcry following the above case, there are far more police and far fewer (newspaper reported) crimes in JB now.

  19. kk Says:

    these malaysian police are lazy *CENSORED*…. i think its in their blood….inherit from their parents and great grand parents… lazy *CENSORED*…..useless *CENSORED. ur mother should *CENSORED* instead…still can *CENSORED* and *CENSORED* there

    [*CENSORED* by Scott]

  20. kanasai Says:

    JB police just know “money” & “Sleep” nian…
    Let the police family feel the pain………

  21. Msian Says:

    i really hate msia! i dont wana be racist but the f***in malays made we, chinese racist! crime rates are increasing like mad.

    I’m moving out.

    Malaysia is hopeless…!

  22. yohan Says:

    I think those police officer’s are not aim to fullfill their job , The worst case is a 27million dollar police man , whose money and how did he earn so much.

    The Malaysia Police Force should change their Motto in first Place…
    ” We are beggers and help the poor police officers ”
    I think this sh1t of motto would be the best motto for the Royal Malaysian police force.

  23. Kia Crys Says:

    the stupid bastards.they have no rights to be a police men.i can assure you that they were ******. cause all they do is eat,sleep and s***.no brains.if they had an intension to help find them then they would.it must be the F******’ ***** W****.They can Hide from us but not god.They will pay for it……..They will.

    Did you’ll read that day’s malay newspaper.It was as if it didnt’ happen.
    F*** those guys. There are seriously going to get it.

  24. harry Says:

    hw can yu be sooo sure all the rapist are malays.. ??

  25. son_of_liberty Says:

    the police was set by the goverment , and goverment used them to rob chinese , so the police are robber with license .

  26. son_of_liberty Says:

    so many crime now , this is not just police and robber games ,
    the whole society gone wrong , and politics cause this happen .

  27. son_of_liberty Says:

    those malay [moderated] rob chinese money , beat up chinese man , rape chinese women , and the police can’t help at all ,
    there is unsecure and hopeless in this place now , chinese people property and live was no ensure , and they are hopeless , they can only see their son been beat up and their daughter been raped .

  28. son_of_liberty Says:

    now all chinese people have to constantly strive to become stronger to protect them self ,
    if the police are useless ,
    then chinese people have to setup their own security team ,
    the security team must be well trained in martial art ,
    they will service 24 hours to , they will arrive asap when someone call for help ,
    they will come and break those malay robbers ball and stop the crime .

  29. whateverlah Says:

    haha…all of you were scolding those polices!! all they know are just rasuah rasuah rasuah!! besides that, just sit there and goyang their f*cking kaki!! f*ck them!! !@#$%^&*

    i wish those policemen that happened to ignored the victims will get their punishment!! as in their own family/ themselves will involved in this kind of cases. let them “taste” what is like to be!!

    im pissed for what the berita harian and chinese paper had posted. it seemed so different. what u read in chinese newspaper, they stated out the whole damn thing but in berita harian, they trying to ignore the fact that the police drove off and tak peduli!! WTF??!!!!

    [moderated] are kanasai to be honest!! they always involved in rape cases. they rape whoever and whenever they like. even their own daughter. what a BEAST!!!! BINATANG!!! (only an animal will simply having sex) is like there is nothing besides having sex!!

    for my experience, malays often use myspace. they added me as friends and what i realize is each of them that added me would leave a message saying that “can i have sex with you” or more disgusting things is about sex. shame on them!!

    even girls with tudung also will do it in public, whats the point of wearing tudung then?? your inner attitude still sucks lah!!

    Not that im racist, but this is the facts!!
    I started to hate them!!

  30. ... Says:

    why there is such an inhuman creatures in this world-“[moderated]

    plus the country goverment encourages them to produce more genaration(anak anak malaysia konon)

    wow, that means

    more genarations of rapist!??

    OMFG!!

  31. mat ikhwan Says:

    to all chinese %&%&% dont u think u are angel, i want to ask u about fate of malay girl that had ben sold by chinese ah long on street, can u tell us about that.
    Bar a few case ina menjadi mangsa jenayah melayu dah nak dihebohkan, yang bangsa kau tu dok jadi bapak ayam tu tak heboh pulak,
    on e moe thing , why dont u target the indian gangster, they rape more chinese woman than malay criminal,, even our woman become thier prey

  32. Scott Thong Says:

    Okay, this is turning into a racism fest right here. If this continues, I’m closing comments for this post.

  33. Mat ikhwan Says:

    ooo mr scott thong, when a malay like me hit back, suddenly u ll say it will become racism fest, why dont you scold your own chinese when they curse the malay first, since they are tghe one who start this racist fest

  34. Scott Thong Says:

    No la Mat ikhwan, sorry lor if it seems I picked on you only…

    I meant everyone above who is attacking entire races instead of particular individuals. I don’t approve of any racism in either direction.

    I don’t want to stop people from honestly expressing their feelings, but if it becomes a flame war between two sides, I have to shut comments to avoid getting myself ISAed.

    True also, it’s like I react only to your comment. I’m just worried that a running battle will start between you guys on opposite sides.

    If you notice, I replaced all the serious smears with [moderated]. WordPress doesn’t do it automatically. I totally deleted a series of 6 or so comments where one guy just throw endless insult at Malays under different names.

    If you guys want some straight out racism and religionism, you can hop over to Menj – he has no apologies one. But he instantly deletes comments he doesn’t like (i.e. don’t side with him).

  35. Mat ikhwan Says:

    ok thank you for ur explanation

  36. Mat ikhwan Says:

    ok thank you for ur explanation. bu of course a normal human being u are not going to go against ur own race, just like me, the different is we are on the opposite direction..

    i notice that many of chinese just dont like malays (not just because of crime done by malay – even though other races did to) You chinese just dislike us for who we are and our legitimate right on this land. I cannot happen what will hapeen to the muslim if chinese were in power, may we’ll get same fate as palestinian (Allah forbid it), Bu we dont care, baecause if u dont like we dont have to like u.

  37. Andrew Says:

    Mat ikhwan, if chinese were or was or is in power in malaysia, predictably the country would be much more developed and industrialised. Just look at Kuala Lumpur itself and ask the true malaysian who were the people who spearheaded developments, go study the history. Also look at Pulau Pinang and Selangor.
    Take a look at how harmonious the people of different races living together in Singapore, how Singaporeans of different races get equal oportunities in education based on merit, job opportunities again based on merit and ability, even ministerial posts has a good balance in distribution of positions between races. Singapore even has an Indian as their president. Having worked in Singapore, I even have got many good kawan malayu(good malay friends), when I go back to Malaysia I wouldn’t dare trust any “UMNOputra” orang malayu that supports UMNOputraism PERIOD… The differences between my kawan malayu in Singapore and the UMNOputra orang malayu in Malaysia is that the Singaporean malayu are just as smart and some perhaps at times even smarter than the other races, they are not pampered like babies(Malaysian UMNOputra malayu) and are more independent, they are also of better and stronger character and have much much more integrety than their malaysian UMNOputra counterparts. I can go on and on to talk about how and why the Singaporeans of all races can live together in perfect harmony. I only can say that the very fault lies not in the different races of Malaysia, but in the politicians namely the UMNOputras and their crony BNputras.
    I remembered TDM, whom I “USED” to respect but not anymore, once upon a time probably bcoz of political gains, use to hypocritically promoted racial harmony and “Equality” amongst the different races of Malaysia. Today he is joining the UMNOputra malayu superioirity tune. TDM once even critisised the U.S. for marginalising the blacks in America, but look today they even have a very good and real chance of having a colored president or perhaps even a woman as their president. Now this is what I call TRUE DEMOCRACY, TRUE EQUALITY, and etc……, all at work together.
    We must ask ourself why why why have the Singapore world class malays advanced so much more since independence from Malaysia, were they all from different ancesters??? I don’t think so. What I know is that they have to stay competative, and the only way to do that is to work EQUALLY as hard as everyone else, without any “baby pampering” from their UMNOputra fathers. And bcoz of their hard work and perseverance, today they can stand high and strong in the different societies in Singapore as well as in the international arena. And when they travel abroad they are proud to tell people that they are Singaporeans with their heads held high. Whereas on the other hand when the UMNOputra malayu travels, people of other nations will say the their UMNOputra fathers are corrupted robbers with the utmost disgusting characters a man can think of.
    To end I must say that I personally have got nothing personal against the entire Malay population except the UMNOputra ones, who’s disgustingly corrupted UMnoputra fathers who themself think that they are more superior than other human beings and be treated with extra superior treatments. They the UMNOputra fathers who also are so smart that the explosives that people usually used for the legal distruction of bridges and buildings, are used illegally(but legal in UMNOputra Laws) on a poor Mongolian girl. I urge all fellow malays in Malaysia to become my friend by putting a stop to UMNOputraism, prove to the world that you do not need any baby pampering from the UMNOputra fathers that have been insulting your interlect, ability and integraty for the last 50 years or so. A very good malay and muslim friend actually educated me on how Islam actually also promotes equality amongst people of all races, and all this can be extracted from the QURAN. So can any UMNOputra father tell me are they for or against the teachings of Islam. VOTE THEM OUT DEMOCRATICALLY bcoz, you the true “non-UMNOputra” Malays that are proud to call yourself a strong and smart malay, owe it to your children and your children’s children. I trully hope that our children and chilren’s children may one day live in HARMONY, EQUALITY, INTEGRETY AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST “DEMOCRACY”. I hope our children will be educated to accept everyone as their EQUAL, and at the same time learning to love one another regardless of race, religion, or ethnicity. Once again I urge everyone in Malaysia to VOTE FOR DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR HARMONY, VOTE FOR EQUALITY, VOTE FOR QUALITY, VOTE FOR WHAT IS RIGHT.

  38. Scott Thong Says:

    Disclaimer on Singapore – there may not be official and institutionalized racism, but it exists informally. The Chinese will discriminate against non-Chinese and treat them as second-class, inferior skilled and etc.

    Not just Malays or Indians, even Caucasians will be treated worse unless they’re bosses from overseas.

  39. kesava Says:

    When I was studying in india, a S`porean Indian pursued a frensic science course in a well known university there. When their Embassy found out, they sent a special delegation to confirm that it was true and then confirmed a special unit to be set up upon him completing the course and with him as the head.

    My relative from Perak an Indian was given permanent residence status in S`pore because of his qualifications in port work (no papers but on-the-job experience in M`sia).

  40. Andrew Says:

    ATTN TO MR. SCOTT THONG and everone out there,
    In Singapore, a person who wants to start a business, he tries to apply for a business loan, the bankers there will not look at the color of his skin but only at his CREDENTIALS. A person who tries to apply for a place in an institute of higher learning(university, polytechnic, etc…), he or she will be allocated a place based on MERIT, AND NOT BASED ON RACE AND/OR RELIGION. A person who goes for a job interview, will be evaluated on the basis of his or her ABILITY AND CRENDENTIALS. And I have witness many times when a couple of established companies in Singapore, actually chosing to hire malays and indians over some chinese because many malays and indians in singapore speak the english language more fluently than some of the chinese there. Even in the hawkers centres, food stalls, food courts there, at the hawker level you can easily find people of all races even people from different international ethnicity(LIKE THE ANG MOHS), and ONLY THE FITTEST WILL SURVIVE. Over there, in Singapore, everyone has to work equally hard in order to survive or perhaps even make it rich. There is NO SPECIAL TREATMENT(LIKE THE UMNOputra BABY PAMPERING TREATMENT + UMNOputra BRIBERIES) for the AngMohs or the Indians or the Chinese or Malays, In Singapore it’s a GAME OF THE SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST.
    Of course there are and always some form of racial divide in any country in this world. But as many countries gradually move democratically away from racial divides and PEOPLE SUPREMACY (Like the “Mugabe Zanu-Pism”, the “Myanmmar Juntaism” and here in “MALAYSIA the UMNOputraism”). Malaysia, under the helm of the UMNOputra fathers, UMNOputra sons and daughters(and also THE UMNOputra Son-In-Law/s), and also their tail wagging BNputra YES MAN PETDOGS, is moving backwards and also deeper and deeper into the RACIAL DIVIDE by continuing to persue their UMNOputra Supremacy SHIT.
    I am asking all true Malaysian, regardless of your race or religion, to UNITE TOGETHER AS ONE MALAYSIA RACE. We must work together to put a stop to the UMNOPUTRA and BNPUTRA dog SHIT. SAY NO to UMNOPUTRA SUPREMACY, SAY NO to UMNOPUTRA CORRUPTIONS, SAY NO to UMNOPUTRA BRIBERIES, SAY NO to UMNOPUTRA POLIS STATE, SAY NO to UMNOPUTRA GANGSTERISM, SAY NO to UMNOPUTRA DICTATERSHIP, etc……. We Malaysians regardless of race and religion, must UNITE together with ONE VOICE and start to SAY YES to MALAYSIAPUTRA RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS HARMONY, SAY YES to MALAYSIAPUTRA PROSPERITY, SAY YES to MALAYSIAPUTRA FREEDOM, SAY YES to MALAYSIAPUTRA STABILITY, SAY YES to MALAYSIAPUTRA UNITY, SAY YES to MALAYSIAPUTRA DEMOCRACY, SAY YES to MALAYSIAPUTRA HUMAN RIGHTS, etc……

  41. mat ikhwan Says:

    this is constant reply to andrew of singapore – (weather he is singaporean – or malaysian who love singapore)

    ‘Mat ikhwan, if chinese were or was or is in power in malaysia, predictably the country would be much more developed and industrialised. Just look at Kuala Lumpur itself and ask the true malaysian who were the people who spearheaded developments, go study the history. Also look at Pulau Pinang and Selangor.’

    of course this is what you and your slant eyed friend really want in malaysia – power to rule malaysia so you can turn it into another china or hong kong ) what is the point for us the malay muslim to live in developed country controlled by chinese if we are only capable to see from our village it without having a chance to enjoy it 9because all greedy chinese businessman will grab all things). if a malay want to venture in business , he will be killed slowly by entire chinese business network through dirty mean (this is the open secret). I admit, without the chinese this country may be under developed and may be its economy is same like african nation, but at least it is better than to share it with with newcomer who have intention to seize our country, lebih baik hidup sedehana daripada maruah tergadai.

    Take a look at how harmonious the people of different races living together in Singapore, how Singaporeans of different races get equal oportunities in education based on merit, job opportunities again based on merit and ability, even ministerial posts has a good balance in distribution of positions between races. Singapore even has an Indian as their president. Having worked in Singapore, I even have got many good kawan malayu(good malay friends), when I go back to Malaysia I wouldn’t dare trust any “UMNOputra” orang malayu that supports UMNOputraism PERIOD… The differences between my kawan malayu in Singapore and the UMNOputra orang malayu in Malaysia is that the Singaporean malayu are just as smart and some perhaps at times even smarter than the other races, they are not pampered like babies(Malaysian UMNOputra malayu) and are more independent, they are also of better and stronger character and have much much more integrety than their malaysian UMNOputra counterparts. I can go on and on to talk about how and why the Singaporeans of all races can live together in perfect harmony. I only can say that the very fault lies not in the different races of Malaysia, but in the politicians namely the UMNOputras and their crony BNputras.

    hahahaha, singapore have racial harmony?? yea of course they look harmony, because, their political and economicalk situation is controlled by chinese, and the malay just receive nothing, you say distribution in ministerial posts is fair to all races, fuck that, who want to believe that, in the latest cabinet reshuffled no malay are elected as minister,?? why was that?? in singapore the population of malay is higher the indian but indian seem to have more advantaged to be elected as minister. in history of singapore all races havec chance to become their president except malay muslim (apart from yusof ishak 45 years ago) , and surely a malay is never trusted by singaporean goverment to held a job in sensitive unit therir armed forces. I dont know what good any malay have in singapore – their loyalty is suspected and never appreciated.

    Why malays are only given chances to held unimportant ministry job and not senior ministry posts?? may be because they are incapable of it right mr andrew?? since ur idol – singapore claimed to practice meritocracy to the world – Or may be because the singaporean government already make malay lagg 50 years behind so they will never had a chance to compete and achieve same level against other race. I have one singaporean malay friend she told me that in singapore, there are waves oif immigration from china and hong kong – even small job like promoter in supermaket is taken away by thiese people,and arrival of this chinese imigrant are encouraged by chinese govermnet of singapore – for what reason – to make sure chinese domination in singapore is unchallanged .

    ok mr andrew, i hope you can understand what i say since i right it not in follwing grammatical order – since iam not so smart and my malay brain is not so intelligence like ur chinese brain as ur race claimed to be – But one thing im going to tell oyu, if oyu love singapore so much , and really proud of it, just go to live there in one way ticket, and make singapore as flourish as you can (even more developed than japan or usa) malaysia dont need peole like you, let us malaysian malay live the way we like it it our own country

  42. Simon Thong Says:

    The grass is always greener on the other side of the…Causeway. Or should it be, the buildings are taller and bigger, and so is the currency, on the other end of the Causeway? JB and Singapore are great contrasts.

    But, Andrew, please don’t mislead us into thinking that everything is wonderful there. Race may seem unimportant in Singapore, but there is the class divide, with a large percentage of Malays and Indians falling into the lower classes, which makes them see it as a racial thing rather than a class thing. People”s perception are important. “When people define a situation as real, it is real in its consequences.” – W.I. Thomas (sociologist).

    You may have to take off your blinkers. To see Singapore as a meritocracy is correct but it is a system that rewards rich upper class CHINESE more than any other. If you are Chinese in Singapore, it’s good for you. If you’re in the middle class, it’s wonderful. If you’re upper class and CHINESE, what lies ahead of you is indescribably glorious!

  43. ghostrider Says:

    u all stupid all want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  44. ghostrider Says:

    it like d mamat !!!!!!!!!!!!!just on d (hukum hudud) ok or no!!!! i think ok what!!!! & it all of u think u all clever just do something 2 malaysia !!!! fighting like kid !!!! u all maybe study high education people but talking like >>>>>>>>>>> only god know want u all want !!! i only study at level 6 but i do thing & talk standy from u all !!!!!!!!!! died 4 something lives 4 nothing!!!!!!!!!! think !!!

  45. khary Jamaludin Says:

    The reason why FDI is not coming in as well as our own TNC is investing else where is that simple, the returns is better in overseas compare to Malaysia. Stick to the basics. There’s a drop in FDI for Malaysia is a sign of less confidence in the Malaysia economy. The growth rate and spending power of Malaysians have drop and workforce productivity is also falling due to NEP. Just imagine 60% of the population is bumiputra and all of them depends on handouts and bail by the federal govt while the remaining 40% of the non-bumi workforce are also demotivated to work harder as the more they work – the more poorer are they. So, NEP is descouraging others to work harder. Even the poor bumis are less bothered to work harder as all the UMNO top cronies gets the biggest cake. Recently, BursaMalaysia Berhad have asked our govt to drop the NEP 30% bumi equity quota in order to IPO any companies. There is not many IPOs in Malaysia this year due to the NEP bumi-quota problem, and BursaMalaysia Bhd registered a drop in pre-tax profit also. Now if it is not the govt policy of adopting the NEP formula, then what is preventing the FDIs from coming in??

    See. http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/malaysia/9836-bursa-wants-bumiputera-shareholding-rules-relaxed

    Another bigger problem is the education, most local grads cannot speak good english therefore prevent MNCs from Europe to invest in Malaysia. Just think, a country with commodities of 1,000 times more then Hong Kong, Taiwan and Singapore but have less then 20% BN reserve and international reserves as recently announce by Najib. Our country is full of rubber, palm oil, Petrol oil, fisheries and land bank and with a population of 26 million compare to Hong Kong (6 million) and Singapore (5 million) and yet our earning power and bank reserves is less then 20% of Hong Kong and Singapore!! What does that tell you?? Our very own TNCs do not have the capability or financial means to invest overseas compare to TNC/MNCs from other countries.

    Unless the NEP is abolished and a new agenda to eradicate poor irregardless of race is adopted, our country will continue to fall behind the rest of the world. As we know, Malaysia is the only country in the world that adopts NEP for their own citizens by quota by race. Name me another country that does the same to their own citizens?? We should start a new forum called “DROP NEP” policy and I am sure more investments will come into Malaysia and our very own MNCs is improved.

  46. kerismuddin Says:

    Want to know why investment and money is flowing out of Malaysia? Simple, all local universities have quotas where 70% must be bumiputras. So if the remaining balance of qualified non-bumis whom are good in their studies cannot get into local universities, what will their parents do?? Well, sent them to overseas!!! Let’s say I am a parent and want to sent my child to UK to study Law, well I will be approximately spending bout RM30K per year on my child, for a bachelor degree to complete is bout 3 years and another RM100K is outflow to UK to finance my child’s education. I have 3 kids – 1 in University of Sussex and another in London School of Economics and one daugther in KDU. My total expenditure is bout RM80K per annum on 3 of my children. Now, I know of many parents whom are my friends who invest as much education for their kids as well. Let’s say every year 5,000 parents of non-bumi status send their kids to overseas, we will have bout RM80K X 5,000 = RM400 million of outflow in investments to UK or other countries like Australia. So if investment outflow is going out of the country is more then it is coming to Malaysia, I am not suprised.

    This is due to the NEP policy also adopted in education as well and loans provided and home purchase discounts plus bumi-share allocations and many-many taxpayers money spend by umnoputras which have gone into a waste of billions of ringgits. Govt should build more colleges for all races instead of having 70% bumi quotas in education. The standard of education have drop and most asean students like china, indonesia, singapore, thailand prefers to study in UK colleges rather then come to Malaysia due to this bumi-quota NEP allocation which deteorates and retards the Malaysian education system. As long as we do not abolish the NEP policy, there will be no end to investment going out of Malaysia.
    Best of all, most non-bumis that have studied in overseas, do not want to come back to Malaysia to work causing a shortage of skilled labour in the industry due to all opportunities given to Bumis as the Govt requires all Malaysian companies to have at least 30% workforce to be bumiputras as well.

    The outdated NEP policy is destroying Malaysia and I thank Anwar that he have raise this issue among the bumis and non-bumis to discontinue this stupid policy. The NEP is use to enrich only a few UMNOs not the poor. Just to determine how much the damage of NEP did to our education system – every year we have RM400 million flowing out of Malaysia as parents sends their child to overseas to study instead of having their childeren to study in Malaysia. And our university is rank the lowest among the last 50 universities in the world – ranking is bout 183 while Singapore University is rank 32 up by 151 notches compare to University Malaya.

  47. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    I will be leaving Malaysia as soon as i’m capable to do so, this place sucks. Sometimes i wonder why we Chinese have to stuck in this shit hole in the first place.

    I have warned my Chinese friends all around the world not to come to Malaysia and Indonesia. You should do so too… spread it around. Help your relatives to get out of this shit hole as soon as you’re capable to do so and warn others Chinese not to set foot on this shit hole never again.

    China is the only place that i can feel sense of belonging. We should go back! And it’s time we go back! China is our real home…I won’t let my children grow up in a shit hole like this…

    Malaysia and Indonesia is no place for us, someday they’ll start another May 13th (fyi, Indonesia 1997 riot was on May 13th 1997). It’s obvious they don’t want us here, why we bother to stay? why we want to take another chance on this shit hole? Today you and me might be lucky enough to escape their prey, but someday they’ll come to you…

    I have a dream, I wish China can help oversea Chinese, especially Chinese in Malaysia and Indonesia to start a new life back in China. I really miss China, I really do, sometimes i cried when i recalling my past away grandma wishes that she can go back to China before she die (but i don’t understand why at that time). As I grow older, I realize, the main reason is because we don’t belong here and China is our real home.

    I’ll bring her ashes with me when i go back to China to fulfill her last wish. May god bless us all…

  48. simon thong Says:

    China as our home? Don’t joke. China disowned all Chinese of Malaysia years ago. China is no place for us. It is an IDEAL in some people’s minds, especially if they are Chinese educated. However, I’m a banana, and I have no special place in my heart for China. If anything, I would avoid China, except for a brief visit. China stands for corruption, tyranny, detention without trial, summary justice (the death sentence meted out through the barrel of the gun), superficial democracy, the worst toilets in the world, spitters of the greatest accuracy (walk out of a building without an umbrella and see how many ‘bullets’ hit you, or with an opened umbrella and listen to the ‘bullets’ hitting that same umbrella), unrestrained capitalism (yes! for profit, melamine is added to milk powder)..I could go on.

    Go to China and live for a few months, and be disappointed. You may be lucky enough to come back to Malaysia, my home, for better rather than for worse. Personally, I would avoid China like the plague.

  49. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Simon Thong,

    China disowned all Chinese of Malaysia years ago?
    I don’t know where you got your facts, I happened to live in China for quite a while, and i got a big welcome here. And you’re right, most likely because I’m well verse in Chinese. Well, if that’s the case, don’t you think the problem is with you?

    China stands for corruption, tyranny, detention without trial?
    What!!?? Do i have to remind you the mongolian women who have been blown to bits? Talking about corruption and tyranny, Malaysia is well ahead of China. Detention without trial? Well well well, Raja Petra just being sent to jail for 2 years by ISA. Man…where have you been?

    Death sentence meted out through the barrel of the gun?
    Do you think the boss of San lu Corp, deserve a bullet? What’s the difference between the death penalty here in Malaysia and China. Hanging sound less violent? I don’t see Malaysia have a better position is this matter.

    Superficial democracy?
    HAHAHA, do you really think we have democracy here in Malaysia?

    The worst toilets in the world, spitters of the greatest accuracy?
    Right about the PUBLIC toilets (I don’t see Malaysia have a good reputation on PUBLIC toilets. If you compare to the toilets in shopping complex to Chinese public toilet, that’s not a fair comparison. China’s shopping mall have toilets too, who ask you to go for PUBLIC toilets?), And you are wrong about the spitters (Don’t make baseless and ridiculous accusation)

    Melamine is added to milk powder?
    Yes, you’re right. Businessmen in China seriously need moral education…There’s no excuse in this matter. I hope China will punish them severely.

    Go to China and live for a few months, and be disappointed?
    You got me wonder whether you truely been to China. I understand your love for Malaysia, me too. I love Malaysia for the free healthcare…if it wasn’t for that, I’ll be long gone. Most of my friends agree with me on this. Don’t you always hear this “Malaysian Citizenship is so precious”…yeah free heathcare, I know…

    Well, China may not be the place for you. If you choose to stay that’s your choice. Where do you prefer If not China, may I ask? I am determine to go back to China permanently. I’ve already spent half my life in a place where I’m not welcome and surely doesn’t belong to me. I don’t want to waste my other half of my life on this shit hole.

    *WARN YOUR OVERSEAS FRIENDS NOT TO COME TO MALAYSIA AND INDONESIA. YOU SURELY DON’T WANT YOUR FRIENDS TO BE SEND TO HARM’S WAY…WE STUCKED HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE NO CHOICE, WE’RE FINDING OUR WAY OUT…*

  50. Scott Thong Says:

    ChinaIsWhereWeBelong,

    Have you watched the film 300? Where 300 brave Spartans decide to stand and fight the innumerable hordes of Persians to the death?

    Imagine if one of the Spartans thought: “Oh man! A million Persians? There are only 300 of us Spartans, so few! These are unwinnable odds. Why bother remaining here? There are better places I could be.”

    With that, one Spartan leaves.

    Now there are only 299 Spartans, and the next one thinks the same thoughts – only with just 299 Spartans, it seems even more hopeless!

    And all the way down… 298, 200, 100, 10, until the last Spartan leaves for greener pastures… Leaving Sparta to the Persians.

    Isn’t this an illustration of what it is like with the Chinese in Malaysia?

    The more Chinese who leave for ‘greener pastures’ overseas, the fewer Chinese there are in Malaysia. With fewer Chinese, they have less political clout and social backing. The situation gets worse and worse as more and more Chinese leave for their own good… A vicious cycle that only ends when no Chinese are left except those too poor too emigrate.

    There is only one way to stop and reverse this deterioration – some brave souls just have to make a stand, and make this nation a better place.

  51. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Scott Thong,

    >>The more Chinese who leave for ‘greener pastures’ overseas..A vicious cycle that only ends when no Chinese are left except those too poor too emigrate

    First of all, thanks for speaking the truth…I feel obnoxious especially when Chinese brag about how much we love Malaysia. The truth is, we all want to leave this place, the problem is that someone will left behind…As I mentioned earlier, I can only dream about massive migration back to China. I know that’s not going to happen…

    No I didn’t watch 300. Correct me if I’m wrong, 300 is just a movie about the invasion of the persian. The situation is totally different from ours…

    When May 13th erupted in Indonesia, what was the outcome? Thousands raped and murdered, Chinese fled Indonesia in the end of the crisis. And you are talking about 300?? Stay and fight?? What fight?? The reality is ..we will lose in the next May 13th here in Malaysia. And again history will repeat itself, thousands Chinese killed, and the rest will fled Malaysia.

    Now, Chinese around you and me are moving away from Malaysia as we speak as evident by a statistic last year shows that the Chinese population ceased to grow which later denied…Well, I’m not surprised by it because I stop loving this country when I was 15 and I learn the meaning of the word “home” when I went to China.

    Stop pretending you love Malaysia, cause we don’t. You might wonder why our parents sent us to Chinese school? Because we know our home is in China…I think the TV series Roswell best illustrate what it is like with the Chinese in Malaysia. Fyi, Roswell is about a few Aliens finding their ways back home, where they belong…

  52. simon thong Says:

    Go back to China, if that’s what you want. Good riddance. Oh, why can’t you do so? They don’t want you? Or you can’t get free health care there? You sound VERY China-Chinese, always taking advantage of others, never asking “What can I do for my country?”

    My brother lived in China for months. My sister is still there. They were the ones who told me. The world’s best spitters live there in China, in Beijing and Shanghai. Toxic milk. Toxic young China women, who are everywhere. Met them yet, at coffee shops, pasar malam..?

    I am a banana but that doesn’t mean that I don’t know Chinese.

    I lived in NZ for 6 years. Came back to Malaysia. Was supposed to emigrate to Australia later but did not. Won’t leave Malaysia to live elsewhere, just to visit. China? My grandparents, paternal and maternal, left China for Malaya. My grandmas, both sides, were still alive when I was born. They never wanted to go back. Why should they? Only you, with your China-tinted glasses, want to go. Please do so.

  53. Scott Thong Says:

    What I was referring to was the fact that the more of us quit, the more will want to quit. Whereas if we were to all stay and make this nation a better place, we might actually accomplish something.

    I do love Malaysia itself… It’s just the politics and the way things are run that I dislike. Are you sure that isn’t a more accurate description of how you feel?

  54. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Simon Thong,

    >>Always taking advantage of others?
    You haven’t meet non-Chinese that like to take advantage of your sisters or gf in front of you yet…

    >>What can I do for my country?
    I don’t mean to mock your name, but you really are a “simon zai”. You want me to talk about what i can do for my country while living in a country that doesn’t give a shit about me and my community? You have got to be kidding me. If someday, when “they” come and gang-raped your little sister/gf, maybe it’s probably you haven’t done enough for your beloved country…

    >>They were the ones who told me?
    So everything you say in this forum is simply hearsay? why don’t you tell us something you really experienced. You know what, it’s never too late to learn to read and write mandarin, so you can go experience the real China yourself. You can thank me for “putting money in your pocket” later…

    >>Was supposed to emigrate to Australia later but did not…
    Well, Bad decision…

    >>Only you, with your China-tinted glasses, want to go. Please do so..
    I will…I hope you’ll grow up fast enough to realize I am right about all this…

  55. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Scott Thong,

    >>the more of us quit, the more will want to quit.
    It’s already happening for a long long time, and it’s gettting more and more obvious…It’s like the stock market, let’s say you bought a bad stock, when people start dumping the stock, you go telling people not to do so simply because dumping the stock will make the stock price go down even further. My advice to you is, “It’s a bad stock, dump it while you can…”

    >>…we were to all stay and make this nation a better place
    If we are to stay now, I can guarantee, you and me will be discussing the same thing 50 years later. All this won’t stop until we the minority phase out, and worst we might witness another May 13th in our life time.

    The rabbit hole goes deeper than you think…

  56. simon thong Says:

    My oh my, you really have rubbish coming out of your mouth. And what’s this about hearsay? Isn’t what you’ve written so far full of hearsay? What your grandma said, and you heard from her..isn’t that hearsay? Come on, don’t get so personal as to rubbish a name, especially when you don’t have the guts to give your name but hide behind a pseudonym. Don’t degenerate to name calling, emotional words and anger…just because someone disagrees with you, you don’t have to get so heated up.

    But would China have you?

  57. Scott Thong Says:

    Come on, we can push the stock up together if we all buy it and stick with it…

    Then again, I would rather leave behind unwilling crewmembers than bring them to drag down the morale of the entire ship…

    So you can go ahead and leave for China, now that it’s becoming less and less Communist anyway. It’s your own risk, as any nation has its own pitfalls – another May 13th in Malaysia, another Cultural Revolution in China, another Great Depression in America.

    I just wonder why you haven’t Singapore yet, which is basically a mini Hong Kong next to Malaysia. So much easier for you to abscond to.

  58. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Simon Thong,

    >>But would China have you?
    I apologize for being rude just now, but please stop asking dumb questions. Again, I’m not taking this personally, but seriously you need to experience more before you start to speak your mind…

    To Scott Thong,

    >>Come on, we can push the stock up together…
    We won’t make it…

    >>…drag down the morale of the entire ship.
    I respect you for being brave, but why holding on to a sinking ship while there are other ships around waiting for you to jump in…If there’s not enough space, just remember to pick up the rest of the crew members later and make sure no one left behind. I know it’s easier to say than done, but you’ll never know if you haven’t try.

    >>Why not Singapore…
    I’ve been to Taiwan, Singapore and China…I happen to love China the most. Without doubt, China could be the roughest ride among the 3 countries, but I think China is the most ideal place for me…I love the weather, the environment, the people…not everything but most of the things I must say…

    I believe my business here is done…Well, thanks for starting a forum like this one, keep up the good work. As long as we are still living in this country, we can only do so much.

  59. simonthong Says:

    45 youth were interviewed. 25 boys, 20 girls, 18 and 19 year olds. Would you move to China to live if you had a choice? A resounding NO. All 45 are students of a leading Chinese Independent school. Where would they go? UK, USA, Australia, Singapore, Taiwan. Not China. And all said, “Malaysia is my home.”

    Who doesn’t need more experience? And how much experience have you had? I could always find people with more experience than you, with views contrary to yours, or mine for that matter. So what? It’s good to have an opinion, but it’s usually not worth much. Try not to be pushy with it, and you may get a more receptive audience.

  60. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Simon Thong,

    >>45 youth were interviewed. 25 boys, 20 girls, 18 and 19 year olds..
    Pardon my language…So you resort to seeking the opinion of a bunch of 18-19 year olds kids who doesn’t even have their pubic hair fully grown yet. How genius of you…I guess it’s easier to interview your own classmates rather than really go out and do a proper survey, right?

    >>And all said, “Malaysia is my home.”
    I have to say your teacher has done a really good job preaching you guys how great a country Malaysia is…Probably feeding you guys with propaganda like “Malaysia is my home, Kita anak-anak Malaysia”. Hahaha it’s more like “Kita kanak-kanak Malaysia”…

    >>Where would they go? UK, USA….
    Seriously…USA and UK? Did they even consider working in the new World Trade Center Or taking UK’s subways to work? I would bet good money that you know nothing about USA and UK other than what’s the next coming big hollywood film that’s going to be available on Malaysian cinema.

  61. simon thong Says:

    Don’t be patronising and condescending, Chinamanwannabe. Don’t be presumptuous either. I’m not what you assume me to be, a student, but someone perhaps older than you. As for surveys, I hope you have done more than surveyed the narrowness of your own mind.

    A bit of history for you, a brief survey, so to speak, of China’s history. Tienamen Square massacre: Chinese govt crushed CHINESE activists. Just before it happened, Chinamen types in stock market said, loudly and chauvinistically, “Chinese won’t harm Chinese!” But they did, mercilessly, just as Chinese in the past had. Communist and Kuomintang, Chinese against Chinese, uncountable deaths, unmentionable atrocities. Taiping Revolution against Ching dynasty, millions dead. Chinese against Chinese. What is 613 in the face of such non-racist events?

  62. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Simon Thong,

    >>Chinamanwannabe?
    Even though, I born in Malaysia, I see myself as Chinaman…I’m not the only one. Didn’t you saw, Malaysian Chinese floaking around food stores, held gathering at friends house to witness the first “Chinaman’s” olympic? Drop the act, we are better than this. We were educated to call ourselves Malaysian just to proof our loyalty to Malaysia all this while. Now, I say “fuck that”, I call myself Chinaman, and I’ll say it out loud…

    >>Tienamen Square massacre: Chinese govt crushed CHINESE activists?
    Are you an eye-witness to that incident? Or just the western media’s distorted reports tells you that? So you believe that Iranian patron boat really did harassed US destroyer? Russia attacked Georgia first? Chinese killing Tibetan instead of Tibetan killing Chinese? Haven’t all this recent events waken us up to the fact that western mainstream media is just American’s war propaganda machine?

    Haven’t you heard about the New World Order? First they break up the Soviet Union, but they failed to break up China. Then they fooled China and Russia to disarm most of their nuclear missle by promising to disarm their own nuclear missle but they constantly developing more advanced weapon in secret. 2001, they orchestrated 9/11 that started World War 3 (Yes, we are in World War 3). Now they try to expand the war into Iran, disarmed North Korea, try to install missile defense at Russia’s front door, cause havoc in Tibet, started a proxy war with Russia via Georgia during the Chinese Olympic Opening Ceremony.

    Dude, USA and UK are the Devils! Please wake up buddy…

    >>Communist and Kuomintang, Chinese against Chinese?
    That’s was ancient history and was right after Japan invaded China, there were so many traitors among ourselves at that time and some are even Japanese in disguise. People just don’t trust each other at that time…thanks to the war propaganda machine, just like you believing in every shit the western media feeds you now. Btw, Malaysian media is just an echo to western media while reporting world news.

    My point is, why don’t you do some research on what’s really going on in this world instead of continue discrediting China.

  63. Scott Thong Says:

    Okay, at first I thought fine, you’re pretty sane and have your own views regarding migrating back to China.

    Now I know that you’re just another variant of troofer, albeit an Easternized version. Do you believe that Islamic terrorism being carried out in China’s remote territories is similarly a conspiracy by The Communist Party of China to start World War IV with Islamic nations?

    Simon may seem anti-China to you, but you’re getting to seem overly pro-China to me. How do I put this… You seem like you’ve been brainwashed by the Chinese agit-propaganda, just like how you think the rest of us are duped by the Western media.

    The simple fact is that for millennia, the greaters killers and oppressors of the Chinese have been the Chinese themselves. Unification of China, Warring Period, Three Kingdoms period, Taiping Rebellion, Communist takeover and purges, Great Leap Forward.

    Try and debunk those ones. Try doing it without the plentiful insults and cussing either (in that you are like the typical ill-mannered mainland Chinese. Please to spitting on the floor of McDonalds!).

    And I’d just like to know… Are you pro-China the physical land, pro-China the national-political entity, pro-Chinese the genetic race, pro-Chinese culture, or pro-modern/Communist China? Or maybe you’re pro-China the pottery.

    Your defense of the Communist purges and your general remarks leans me towards the pro-modern/Communist China notion. Basically, purging ‘traitors’ to the Chinese justifies mass murder, no? Be they traitors siding with the Japanese, the Western powers, the anti-Communist troublemakers, the Free Tibet Protestors, the Don’t-Demolish-My-Home-For-Beijing-Olympics petitioners…

    Heck, just hurry up and and migrate to China already. It’s such a paradise Eden Xanadu utopia that they’re surely accept you even if you illegally sneak in with no skills or money… You’re Chinese just like them, after all! Call back in 20 years and tell us how much life there matches your lofty expectations.

  64. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    OMG, Terpaksalah saya guna Bahasa Melayu untuk terus komen dalam forum ini, sebab saya kurang nyakin Scott adalah rakyat Malaysia. Saya harap Scott dan Simon juga boleh turut serta untuk menggunakan bahasa Melayu dalam komen-komen seterusnya.

    >>just another variant of troofer, albeit an Easternized version
    Jadi Scott masih percaya bahawa, orang-orang Islam yang melancarkan serangan terhadap Menara Berkembar pada 9/11 2001 lalu? Satu dunia tahu orang Amerika sendiri yang menjahanamkan rakyat

  65. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    …menjahanamkan rakyat sendiri dalam serangan itu. Saya rasa Scott masih ingat dia blh menipu rakyat Malaysia dlm perkara ini. Bodohnya, cubalah buat kaji selidik di K.L, tanyalah “Siapakah pesalah sebenar dlm serangan tersebut”. Saya nyakin, kamu blh dapat jawapan sebulat suara, “Amerika”…

    >>Do you believe that Islamic terrorism being carried out in China’s remote territories is similarly a conspiracy by The Communist Party of China to start World War IV with Islamic nations?
    Pandainya kamu memutar-belitkan apa yg sedang kita bincangkan ni. Betul, saya percaya ia merupakan satu konspirasi jugak, tapi pesalahnya bukan negara cina. Saya percaya, seperti apa yg sedang Amerika lakukan terhadap Russia, Amerika cuba mempergunakan rakyat Islam yg berada di negara cina utk melancarkan perang proksi terhadap cina.

    >> just like how you think the rest of us are duped by the Western media.
    Kamu masih tidur ke ni? Orgx2 Amerika sendiri pun sedar rangkaian berita mereka telah berkali-kali menipu mereka. Satu dunia dah tahu dah…Kamu ingat kita ni bodoh ker?

    >>the greaters killers and oppressors of the Chinese have been the Chinese themselves.
    Kau ingat aku tak kenal sejarah cina ker? Oii uncle, itu zaman dululah, kamu ingat masa zaman kesultanan melayu tak perang sesama sendiri ker? Orang-orang putih tak ada perang sesama sendiri?

    >>purging ‘traitors’ to the Chinese justifies mass murder?
    Sekali lagi kamu cuba memutar-belit apa yg telah saya cuba sampaikan. Dlm sejarah mengenai negara cina, saya hanya pernah membaca kejadian perbunuhan cina beramaix2 oleh org jepun shj. Manalah ada perbunuhan “beramaix2″ utk menyingkirkan p’khianat? Adakah saudara scott ni, faham apakah itu perang saudara?

    >>just hurry up and and migrate to China already….Call back in 20 years and tell us how much life there matches your lofty expectations.
    Percayalah, bukanlah saya seorang shj yg ingin berpindah balik ke cina. Utk pengetahuan saudara scott, nilai mata wang kita ni sedang menjunam berbandi dengan mata wang cina. Bolehlah kamu bagi tau kita apa nombor telefon bimbit kamu, saya akan telefon balik nanti…

  66. Scott Thong Says:

    OMG, Terpaksalah saya guna Bahasa Melayu untuk terus komen dalam forum ini, sebab saya kurang nyakin Scott adalah rakyat Malaysia. Saya harap Scott dan Simon juga boleh turut serta untuk menggunakan bahasa Melayu dalam komen-komen seterusnya

    Ah, tertangkap dah saya ni! Sebenarnya saya orang Moravia yang menggunakan Ikan Babel untuk menterjemahkan Bahasa Orang Putih kamu.

    Jadi Scott masih percaya bahawa, orang-orang Islam yang melancarkan serangan terhadap Menara Berkembar pada 9/11 2001 lalu? Satu dunia tahu orang Amerika sendiri yang menjahanamkan rakyat

    Lololololol, sweeping statements! And ignorant, opiniated and closed-minded to boot!

    See this poll: No consensus on who was behind Sept 11-global poll

    Worldwide, only 15% think Bush did it, while 46% think Al Qaeda did it. That includes your beloved, Western-brainwashed China.

    What convinces you that the AmeriKKKanners are behind 9/11 apart from your raging conspiranoia and Chinese chauvanism anyway?

    Be prepared with your genius answers, ‘cos I’ve blogged on why it the Bush Administration must be UBER GOSU PRO in order to cover up a conspiracy of that magnitude yet trick everyone into thinking they’re bumbling buffoons… Even up to today’s economic crisis.

    Bodohnya, cubalah buat kaji selidik di K.L, tanyalah “Siapakah pesalah sebenar dlm serangan tersebut”. Saya nyakin, kamu blh dapat jawapan sebulat suara, “Amerika”…

    Conducting an opinion poll in Islamic majority states doesn’t exactly match the definition of ‘objective and unbiased’ when the former PM believes the Jews are behind everything bad in the world, EVAR.

    Hey, why don’t you conduct that poll in China? 50 yuan that the results will NOT be laying the blame on the AmeriKKKanners.

    Kau ingat aku tak kenal sejarah cina ker? Oii uncle, itu zaman dululah, kamu ingat masa zaman kesultanan melayu tak perang sesama sendiri ker? Orang-orang putih tak ada perang sesama sendiri?

    I never denied that, but reiterate that the selfish and brutal Chinese are the best killers of Chinese. What other civilization has that most lofty of ideals, the 3×3 Execution where your entire family 3 generations vertically and 3 relations horizontally are slaughtered for the sins of one man? (i.e. You die, your wife and her family dies, your parents and their families die, your children and their families die, your siblings and their families die – literally ham ka chan)

    Adakah saudara scott ni, faham apakah itu perang saudara?

    Perang saudara = 6000 year history of China.

    tk pengetahuan saudara scott, nilai mata wang kita ni sedang menjunam berbandi dengan mata wang cina.

    Why, then you’d better hurry up and emigrate before only the upper class can afford to! Toodle-oo!

    Bolehlah kamu bagi tau kita apa nombor telefon bimbit kamu, saya akan telefon balik nanti…

    1300-88-25-25

    Tell me if you can’t get through.

  67. simon thong Says:

    Omg, methinks this ChinaIsWhereWeBelong is not who he is trying to pas himself off as. He is a mole, here to trap others into revealing their pro China tendencies. He is no Chinaman, only pretending to be…

    Of course I could be wrong. I was wrong to think that he was into dialogue or discussion, or dealt with reason..so I could be wrong this time, too.

  68. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Scott Thong,

    >>Ah, tertangkap dah saya ni!
    -Is that all you can do with your online translator? Just manage to help you to write 2 sentences of Malay?

    >>See this poll: No consensus on who was behind Sept 11-global poll
    -That poll was like a millions years ago and have you ever question yourself why they need a poll in the first place? Was it because they want to know how many people really know their shit? So they can keep on selling their bullshit? Dude do you even have common sense?

    >> only 15% think Bush did it, already less than 50% think the al-qaeda did it?
    -OMG, I thought it was a lot lower than that, i think the truth about 9/11 spread faster than lighting…

    >>What convinces you that the AmeriKKKanners are behind 9/11
    -I know my physics (I know buildings won’t collapse at near free fall speed), I have common sense (I simply couldn’t convince myself 2 planes can knock down 3 buildings) and I’m not an American who’s trying to cover up evil deeds of my country…A video even showing NO plane ever hit the pentagon had surface on youtube. What else do you need to cast doubt on the official story?

    >>Conducting an opinion poll in Islamic majority states doesn’t exactly match the definition of ‘objective and unbiased’ when the former PM believes the Jews are behind everything bad in the world
    -Hahaha, Malaysia is my home? I think making such statements to the Malaysian audience really help a lot…good job! So, indirectly you are telling us that most Malaysian are brainwashed idiots? Why don’t just blacklist Malaysia as a terrorist state?

    >>why don’t you conduct that poll in China?
    -Conduct a poll in a country that 90% of the population are not english literate? Sure, wait until i translate the entire 9/11 Conspiracy documentary into Mandarin, then you’ll be sorry…

    >>Perang saudara = 6000 year history of China.
    -So only China have civil war? You really know how to make fair judgement…bravo!

    To Simon Thong,

    >>He is a mole, here to trap others into revealing their pro China tendencies. He is no Chinaman, only pretending to be…
    I really hope you are not Chinese, cause you are an embarassment to Chinese people.

  69. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    To Scott Thong,

    I’m not a Muslim and I don’t believe in god, but there’s already over 1.2 millions Iraqi perished in the war, most of them are women and children. What else America want from Iraq?

    America is no doubt the most powerful nation on earth, there’s nothing the world can do to stop America, not even the mighty Russian, China and India combine…

    Does it really worth it for you to help cover up their sins?

  70. Scott Thong Says:

    Is that all you can do with your online translator? Just manage to help you to write 2 sentences of Malay?

    Yeah, for the rest I hired a professional translation service under ISO:9002 standards because I betoi betoi tada faham apo lu cakap.

    OMG, I thought it was a lot lower than that, i think the truth about 9/11 spread faster than lighting…

    If you don’t believe in god (as blockquoted below), then what exactly are you talking about when you say OMG? Oh My Gerbil? Oh wait, you’re Commieish… Oh My Guevara?

    In any case, first you said, and I quote: Jadi Scott masih percaya bahawa, orang-orang Islam yang melancarkan serangan terhadap Menara Berkembar pada 9/11 2001 lalu? Satu dunia tahu orang Amerika sendiri yang menjahanamkan rakyat.

    Emphasis in bold. Surely any person of sound mind understands that the entire world is somewhat more than 15%?

    I have common sense (I simply couldn’t convince myself 2 planes can knock down 3 buildings)

    I counter with this cartoon – Bush Is Teh Roxxor Genius For Planning 9/11!!!

    A video even showing NO plane ever hit the pentagon had surface on youtube. What else do you need to cast doubt on the official story?

    Youtube video… HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

    If you’d at least have quoted ‘Loose Change’ or ‘Fahrenheit 911’…

    Youtube video… HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

    How about some solid facts and evidence to cast that doubt instead of just a….

    Youtube video… HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

    So, indirectly you are telling us that most Malaysian are brainwashed idiots? Why don’t just blacklist Malaysia as a terrorist state?

    No, you’re the one saying that we’re all Western brainwashed dupes. I’m just saying that certain sections of the local populace have their own biases.

    Conduct a poll in a country that 90% of the population are not english literate? Sure, wait until i translate the entire 9/11 Conspiracy documentary into Mandarin, then you’ll be sorry…

    No no no… Just ask them whether they prefer American burgers, or Islamic extremist suicide bombs. Easy and quick!

    -So only China have civil war? You really know how to make fair judgement…bravo!

    Again, I never said that… But again, China is the BEST at continuous civil war!!!! It must be the fifth Great Invention of China lol!

    I’m not a Muslim and I don’t believe in god, but there’s already over 1.2 millions Iraqi perished in the war, most of them are women and children.

    And how many Iraqi lives were saved by the American intervention? You forget that Iraq was not exactly a happy joyful hippie paradise before Gulf War 2 or even Gulf War 1.

    In order to judge whether Bush Jr’s meddling was justified, you have to compare the number of Iraqis who would have been killed if the Americans hadn’t invaded Iraq.

    87% fewer violent deaths per year now than under Saddam – 50,000 a year under Saddam Hussein to 6,825 a year with the Americans in Baghdad

    Violent death rate is now half that of Obama’s Chicago – In one week, 125 shooting deaths in just Chicago versus 65 US soldiers killed in all of Iraq.

    More than 23,000 mroon terrorists killed – Imagine how many Balis, 9/11s, London Undergrounds, Spanish railways, Pattani beheadings etc. they could carry out if they hadn’t been stopped in Iraq. Or were all those also American plots?

    Happy smiley Iraqi peoples – So oppressed by the Americans, they are.

    If one wants to argue that it would have been better for America not to invade Iraq and kick out that dastardly dictator, one might as well argue that letting the Nazis run rampant in Europe – and for that matter, letting the Japanese run rampant in China! – would have been preferable to the USA intervening in World War II.

    Then again, if the Americans hadn’t fought the Vietcong, the whole of Southeast Asia might be Communist today. But I’m sure you’d love that. It would bring Malaysia that much closer to your beloved atheistic Maoist China.

    Does it really worth it for you to help cover up their sins?

    I’m all for exposing sins. Which is why I keep harping on about China, which I honestly think you are putting on too high a pedestal.

    To wit: You can go on national TV and call Bush a moron and America itself an evil empire. People will cheer you, and perhaps vote you for President (Democratic Party Candidate).

    Now try opening a polite dialogue about the situation in Tibet or Taiwan while in China, punk.

    I seriously don’t believe that America is behind all the various conflicts in the world, although they are highly likely to be behind such incidences as the political turmoil in certain regions of Latin America.

    ———————–

    PS. Hey, how come I give you so many link and citation, you never give me one? Not fair. People on this ‘forum’ (actually a privately run blog) will think I am bullying your ‘conjectures’ with my ‘facts’.

  71. simon thong Says:

    He can’t give you any links or citations cos he refers to only his own facts (read “opinion”). He lives in a well, and the sky he sees above is CHINA (as seen by himself, not necessaily by the countless Mainland Chinese trying to leave China legally and illegally,

    Question asked of Mainland Chinese who come to Malaysia to study English: Why study English in Malaysia? Answer: Malaysia is a stepping stone to NZ, Australia and America. Get a certificate or diploma in Malaysia, it will be recognised by those countries, and then we’ll go there..never to go back to China except on holiday. Assist the rest of our extended family to emigrate.

  72. Scott Thong Says:

    Speaking of migration and citations…

    ———-

    China Migration:

    In 2000, the net migration rate for China was -0.3 migrants per 1,000 population. This amounted to a loss of approximately 381,000 people.

    ———–

    Net migration rate China:

    Year Net migration rate (migrant(s)/1,000 population)
    2000 -0.40
    2001 -0.39
    2002 -0.38
    2003 -0.23
    2004 -0.40
    2005 -0.40

    ———-

    China Net migration rate:

    Net migration rate: -0.39 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2008 est.)

    ———

    This means that roughly 520,000 more people leave China than join China, every single year.

    Why are so many people leaving the great and paradisical country of perfect China?!!! They must be fools!

    Quickly ChinaIsWhereWeBelong, you must become their new Shining Path Atheistic Messiah to lead them back to the glorious motherland!

  73. ChinaIsWhereWeBelong Says:

    >>what exactly are you talking about when you say OMG? Oh My Gerbil?
    No no no. It stands for “.Oh you .Mother f**king son of a .Gay”…

    >>the entire world is somewhat more than 15%?
    When the west refering to “the world”, they only talking about America and a couple of their european friends. How many percent of that accounted for the entire world population?

    >>I counter with this cartoon
    cartoon …..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

    How about some solid facts and evidence to counter my argument instead of just a

    cartoon …..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

    >>Just ask them whether they prefer American burgers, or Islamic extremist suicide bombs
    Are you trying to threathen us? I sincerely like to welcome you back to Malaysia…

    >>how many Iraqi lives were saved by the American intervention?
    You made me sick…

    >>compare the number of Iraqis who would have been killed if the Americans hadn’t invaded Iraq
    OMG (refer to my definition)…*puke ~~~

    >>letting the Japanese run rampant in China!
    Oh right~~, but didn’t the Japs raped the little American Island call Pearl Harbour? I couldn’t imagine a Chinese would have made such a statement. I’m waiting for you to say “I’m American! I’m American! I’m NO Chinese…”

    >>if the Americans hadn’t fought the Vietcong
    Oh thanks for reminding us the Gulf of Tonkin Incident Lie …and the death of 4 millions vietnamese.

    >>I’m all for exposing sins.
    No no no…You are all covering up sins…

    >>I seriously don’t believe that America is behind all the various conflicts in the world
    You think??…..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

    >>how come I give you so many link and citation, you never give me one?
    First of all, I thought you don’t trust a thing from the internet…
    Second, like you really care…
    Third, I want to congratulate you being a proud American…OMG, keep it up!

  74. Scott Thong Says:

    How about some solid facts and evidence to counter my argument instead of just a

    cartoon …..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

    Just following your exemplary lead, dude. At least I gave you a cartoon. Where’s that purported Youtube video?

    >>how many Iraqi lives were saved by the American intervention?
    You made me sick…

    >>compare the number of Iraqis who would have been killed if the Americans hadn’t invaded Iraq
    OMG (refer to my definition)…*puke ~~~

    Ah, so you admit total and utter defeat, only able to splutter in the quagmire of your own stunned confusion as you frantically struggle to comprehend the unyielding factuality of my arguments!

    I conjecture that you care ZILCHO about the well-being of Iraqis or anyone else, and are only concerned with the chance to badmouth Americans. Ergo, good news involving America is no news to you.

    Oh thanks for reminding us the Gulf of Tonkin Incident Lie …and the death of 4 millions vietnamese.

    Carried out, of course, mostly by the Vietcong who had no business invading South Vietnam, which led to the no-business intervention by America.

    See, I give actual citations again.

    Statistics Of Vietnamese Democide Estimates, Calculations, And Sources – example is 155,000 refugees murdered by Vietcong.

    Vietnam War Atrocities – examples are killing 5800 unarmed civilians in Tet Offensive. Americans did some too, but actually killed far lower % of civilians than WWII era.

    ANTI-VIET CONG ATROCITY PSYOP

    You can use the Internets too, you know! Rather than, say, pulling them out of your a… Um, thin air.

    First of all, I thought you don’t trust a thing from the internet…
    Second, like you really care…
    Third, I want to congratulate you being a proud American…OMG, keep it up!

    First of all, the only thing I don’t trust from the internet is your unverified babbling.

    Second, I care at least about the fact that a jihadi is far likelier to cut off my head for being nonMuslim or a Communist execute me for anti-revolutionary thought than it is an American missile will slam into my house for not buying a Ford.

    Third, I’m just a wannabe Neocon. Just like how you’re just a wannabe Chicom. Who can’t even make it into China.

    How zoes zat make you feel? Do you have zee crying late into zee night, that you have failed to be part of zee China? Is zat eet, little failure child?

    ——————–

    Overall, congrats, troll. The more info and facts I post, the less coherent and more rude you become, answering none of my arguments and instead bringing in new attacks.

    The last troll who did this and stuck around for a long time after, I conjectured to have been sleep deprived to account for the sudden and steep decline in the quality of his comment material. He also posted replies throughout the day, as you have been doing, so it really could be sleep deprivation in your case, y’know.

    So the question is… Can you step up to the plate? Or just keep spewing one-liner non sequiturs?

  75. I'M THE F*CKING MALAYSIA POLICE Says:

    THAT’S F*CK THEM UP..~~~!!!

  76. disappointed Says:

    Don’t the forensics have DNA or fingerprint analysis that can let the police know who are the culprits? Or is Malaysian forensic technology outdated compared to those in the USA, like CSI? I mean, if the government can dish out billions to other not-so-useful projects, why not invest in forensics technology and put an end to all these terrors?

  77. Scott Thong Says:

    When I got robbed, there were blood drops on the floor. The police didn’t even bother to collect a sample. They knew that it would be nigh impossible to ever find the culprits, let alone link them to any one case.

  78. anonymous Says:

    Police in johor really no balls at all… really… Crime can happen and i mean repeat offender still not caught.. Really… I tell u just hire 1000 Gurkhas job solved.

  79. Davin Says:

    Can you actually believe that rape cases is that bad in a MUSLIM country like the MALAYSIA?! Where is the dignity? Are all those religious teaching just for show. I really hope the government will do some serious stuff about it.

  80. wyleong Says:

    Woah, lots of heated argument above. *skips*

    @Scott: Very true, and perhaps since criminals know that police can’t do anything unless the victim knows them well enough to provide some decent information, they have gotten much more aggressive lately. :(

    Anyway, I felt really sick reading just two of the rape articles above. We can only hope the scum meet with a fate that is befitting of their sins.

  81. Scott Thong Says:

    They did claim to have caught one of the culprit gangs.

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/06/16/14-arrested-johor-gang-rapes-solved/

  82. ANti Malays Says:

    yeah… Malays in Msia are ungrateful, distrustful and gatal ppl

  83. James Loh Says:

    I just feel that if DAP comes to power, Malaysia will be a much better place. DAP is really a party which is fair and just.

  84. Varsha Menon Says:

    The best form of punishment rewarded to such is the one in saudi arabia i.e to slice of their penis.

  85. knetx Says:

    What a hot comment!

    First of all no offend for all races. Its a normal treatment for most country with many races. Like in Malaysia, a malay country will priorities malay races more than others.

    I know goverment are doing hard to balance races treatment in the country. Malays ppl become lazy just becuase they are getting better treat from goverment like housing, education and working advantages. For chinese, why are they so hardworking? Just to survive in a country that not belongs to them. Same for Indian as well. I can say that if Malaysia is rule by chinese, this will likely be another Taiwan, a country power with gangsterism. For the Malay, too much populated and make them all depends on goverment.

    Ppl always say that Malaysia is a harmony country but i can say its bullsh*t. Many sectors are monopoly by diff races. And i think this is happy among all of us since no big issue coming up. I think chinese are happy to stick in business industry and growing well although goverment are helping BUMIs to develope more in this industry since PM. M rule the country. Its not your bowl of rice, you cant afford to eat it. These are most chinese said nowadays.

    For those criminals, think twice before you did it. It will destroy your races and religion reputation. Maybe not all ppl comit but one for all. REMEMBER.

  86. Justice Says:

    I just spent an entire hour reading every comment posted within this forum and i just want everyone to realize that you have been attacking the wrong people this entire time…. Allow me to explain….

    First of all, i would just like to state that i was born “rojak” or mixed breed as better understood in English. However my particular type of mix is that of what i would like to perceive as a product of Malaysian cultures. My late father was Indian (Ceylonese) known for (their power of persuasion and a significantly better grasp on verbal subjects such as law) mixed with a touch of Portuguese (no real significance towards the discussion), and my mother carries with her the shrewdness and calculative nature of the Chinese mixed with politeness and accommodating nature of our heritage, coupled with the natural political tenacity that somehow automatically can be found in Malay culture.

    Now the reason why i have so extensively gone out of my way to describe my heritage is to hopefully show that i am a person who would seem to be on the fence with all races yet the few individuals that have posted comments on this blog have seriously tarnished what i would protect with my life which is our heritage.

    This blog initially started as a means for individuals to voice out their concerns and suggestions as well as maybe air out grievances that we all have towards THE CRIMINALS.. that so f*cking shamefully violated a girl, someones daughter, someones sister, someones wife, someones gf.

    Has anyone considered what if the victims significant other was Malay? (Not uncommon for races to mix breeds in a multi racial society). If the attack that was allegedly led by a group of Malays, do u honestly believe that the brutal and despicable act would not be committed just because one of the victims turned out to be of Malay decent as well? My very confident answer would be “HELL NO”. These bloody animals would have just as easily followed through with their bloody crime leaving the poor victims to their fates.

    It is very true though that, i’m very embarrassed to admit this but the Malays are the laziest and simple minded creatures at times but though this would be the general assessment of the Malay race, it cannot be the perception of them on an individual level. I see a lot of my oriental brothers so quick to drop the bomb on the Malays but last i remember, the police forces doesn’t have a requirement that all personnel could only comprise of Malays. There are also Chinese and Indian officers recruited to protect our citizens and nation. Why don’t u include them in your critic of the police force? Thats just ignorance and arrogance of a selfish nation putting individual needs before trying to figure out a way to make all those pro Malaysia perpaduan society berbagai bangsa posters to mean something.

    I must apologize though, i seem to have forgotten to state the most important part of my comment which is to convey my most heartfelt condolences and wishes of hoping the victims and their families are managing to pull through what i cant even begin to imagine, if it were to happen to me. I applaud the strength and character of all the victims that i now doing their best to overcome the ordeal that no human being should ever have to go through. I myself am VERY against rape but the thought of watching helplessly as the one you love is violated by animals right in front of you. Believe me, some fates are worse than death. I have nightmares about if it were ever to happen to my gf, sister, mother, etc. I would have much rather have died in the fight to protect their honor which I’m sure was what all the males were trying to do but alas its a cruel world and we don’t always get what we want no matter how noble the cause.

    Anyway, back to the matter at hand, the comments posted up have strayed so far that instead of actually doing something to make a difference. Then perhaps the tragedies that were done wouldn’t have just been suffered in vain. If we all just stopped blaming things on every f*cking thing in the world. ESPECIALLY EACH OTHER. Then we could maybe find some justice for the victims and their families. At the very least, they know that their fellow MALAYSIANS, took a step for THEM instead of bickering amongst ourselves about who is to be blamed, the police?, the lazy ass malays, the conniving Chinese, the putar belit Indians. Do u not see that we ourselves have become our worst enemy.

    I believe WHOEVER is responsible for committing the atrocities mentioned above should be SEVERELY punished. Even god said, I gave my children the greatest gift of all, which is our minds. It even states that it would be a sin if we didn’t use our intellect. Therefore i urge my fellow Malaysian to look beyond the limitations of our own selfish needs, desires and motives and really give thought towards the actually victims and their families. Crimes such as the ones committed do not have a favored ethnic preference. I dare not state facts for i admit, i do not posses the necessary information to really clarify if crimes such as rape really does happen more to one particular ethnic group or not but does the agony of victims measured for comparison? No bloody idiots!!, a father would give his life to save his daughters virtue, as will the brother, bf, uncle etc REGARDLESS OF WHAT RACE they may be.

    There was so much hate and spite thrown toward this beautiful country which i am proud to say i belong to. The amount of dirt that people have remarked regarding the Malaysian political arena and its favoritism are well warranted but yet no one actually tried stating constructive remarks whereby it may be used to overcome our obvious flaws. Personally, I’d say if you don’t wanna be here, there’s the door!, don’t let it hit u on the way out but I’m hopping to appeal to our multi racial society that instead of tearing each other apart, why not try and remember our roots and ancestry and remember why we decided to embark on this journey through life together. Maybe, just maybe we can still save this country from obvious self destruction.

    People should start remembering our Asian culture which is founded on tolerance, humility, respect, etc. In our haste to catch up with the idea of modernization, it seems that we have neglected to see that sometimes moving backwards would prove to be the better way to getting where u want to go.

    Mengenai anggota polis yang secara terang terang tidak menghiraukan rayuan mangsa dan keluarga mereka, ia adalah cadangan saya supaya mereka tidak lagi diberikan anugrah dan tanggungjawab sebagai pembela rakyat. Mereka bukan saja tidak layak memikul beban yang datang dengan jawatan itu malah mereka telah menjejaskan imej semua anggota pihak berkuasa dan hukuman terhadap mereka sepatutnye dekenakan dengan seberat beratnye kerana walaupun penjenayah itu melakukan perbuatan itu, mereka asalpun nama penjenayah tetapi dalam isu mengenai pihak anggota polis pula, mereka bukan saja gagal melakukan tugas mereka malah tidak mempedulikan rayuan orang orang yang mencuba sedaya upaya untuk mendapat bantuan daripada mereka. (which is xactly what they’re there for). Ada sesetengah perkara yang boleh tutup sebelah mata ataupun diberi (benefit of the doubt) tetapi untuk mengabaikan tanggungjawab mereka sebagai pembela atau penjaga, ini tidak boleh dimaafkan. Memang patut pun mereka dimaki hamun oleh rakyat tak kira bangsa. Even though people make mistakes, there are just somethings that cannot afford them especially if it came from negligence, ignorance and the worst, the selfish attitude that im not too proud to say have been embedded in ALL MALAYSIAN.

    I greatly apologize to any and every group that may take offense to my remarks but i stand by my beliefs and hope that you will come to see the light of it as well. If we all can somehow learn to stand together again as one and stop dwelling on past history, maybe we will be able to find ourselves again. Thats why we’re thought history in the first place isn’t it? So that history doesn’t repeat itself. Well, the bad ones anyway.

    Look, every county has their share of problems. Their not any better or worst than us. Difference is, some countries remember that the take pride in their nation and do their best to overcome their snags instead of letting it get the better of them. If fact, everyone should just be concerned with the state of our own country and be less “busy body” about other peoples nations.
    After reading this post u can do a number of things, tell me I’m full of shit, praise my remarks, not be moved at all or come after me with a parang but just ask yourselves this. Which one of those no of options would actually lead towards us making a difference, moving forward and progressing together as a country.

    Last but I just spent an entire hour reading every comment posted within this forum and i just want everyone to realize that you have been attacking the wrong people this entire time…. Allow me to explain….

    First of all, I would just like to state that i was born “rojak” or mixed breed as better understood in English. However my particular type of mix is that of what i would like to perceive as a product of Malaysian cultures. My late father was Indian (Ceylonese) known for (their power of persuasion and a significantly better grasp on verbal subjects such as law) mixed with a touch of Portuguese (no real significance towards the discussion), and my mother carries with her the shrewdness and calculative nature of the Chinese mixed with politeness and accommodating nature of our heritage, coupled with the natural political tenacity that somehow automatically can be found in Malay culture.

    Now the reason why i have so extensively gone out of my way to describe my heritage is to hopefully show that i am a person who would seem to be on the fence with all races yet the few individuals that have posted comments on this blog have seriously tarnished what i would protect with my life which is our heritage.

    This blog initially started as a means for individuals to voice out their concerns and suggestions as well as maybe air out grievances that we all have towards THE CRIMINALS.. that so f*cking shamefully violated a girl, someones daughter, someones sister, someones wife, someones gf.

    Has anyone considered what if the victims significant other was Malay? (Not uncommon for races to mix breeds in a multi racial society). If the attack that was allegedly led by a group of Malays, do u honestly believe that the brutal and despicable act would not be committed just because one of the victims turned out to be of Malay decent as well? My very confident answer would be “HELL NO”. These bloody animals would have just as easily followed through with their bloody crime leaving the poor victims to their fates.

    It is very true though that, I’m very embarrassed to admit this but the Malays are the laziest and simple minded creatures at times but though this would be the general assessment of the Malay race, it cannot be the perception of them on an individual level. I see a lot of my oriental brothers so quick to drop the bomb on the malays but last i remember, the police forces doesn’t have a requirement that all personnel could only comprise of Malays. There are also Chinese and Indian officers recruited to protect our citizens and nation. Why don’t u include them in your critic of the police force? Thats just ignorance and arrogance of a selfish nation putting individual needs before actually trying to figure out a way to make all those pro Malaysia perpaduan society berbagai bangsa posters actually mean something.

    I must apologize though, i seem to have forgotten to state the most important part of my comment which is to convey my most heartfelt condolences and wishes of hoping the victims and their families are managing to pull through what i cant even begin to imagine, if it were to happen to me. I applaud the strength and character of all the victims that i now doing their best to overcome the ordeal that no human being should ever have to go through. I myself am VERY against rape but the thought of watching helplessly as the one you love is violated by animals right in front of you. Believe me, some fates are worse than death. I have nightmares about if it were ever to happen to my gf, sister, mother, etc. I would have much rather have died in the fight to protect their honor which I’m sure was what all the males were trying to do but alas its a cruel world and we don’t always get what we want no matter how noble the cause.

    Anyway, back to the matter at hand, the comments posted up have strayed so far that instead of doing something to make a difference. Then perhaps the tragedies that were done wouldn’t have just been suffered in vain. If we all just stopped blaming things on every f*cking thing in the world. ESPECIALLY EACH OTHER. Then we could maybe find some justice for the victims and their families. At the very least, they know that their fellow MALAYSIANS, took a step for THEM instead of bickering amongst ourselves about who is to be blamed, the police?, the lazy ass Malays, the conniving chinese, the “putar belit” Indians. Do u not see that we ourselves have become our worst enemy.

    I believe WHOEVER is responsible for committing the atrocities mentioned above should be SEVERELY punished. Even god said, I gave my children the greatest gift of all, which is our minds. It even states that it would be a sin if we didn’t use our intellect. Therefore i urge my fellow Malaysian to look beyond the limitations of our own selfish needs, desires and motives and really give thought towards the victims and their families. Crimes such as the ones committed do not have a favored ethnic preference. I dare not state facts for i admit, i do not posses the necessary information to really clarify if crimes such as rape really does happen more to one particular ethnic group or not but does the agony of victims measured for comparison? No bloody idiots!!, a father would give his life to save his daughters virtue, as will the brother, bf, uncle etc REGARDLESS OF WHAT RACE they may be.

    There was so much hate and spite thrown toward this beautiful country which i am proud to say i belong to. The amount of dirt that people have remarked regarding the Malaysian political arena and its favoritism are well warranted but yet no one actually tried stating constructive remarks whereby it may be used to overcome our obvious flaws. Personally, I’d say if you don’t wanna be here, there’s the door!, don’t let it hit u on the way out but I’m hopping to appeal to our multi racial society that instead of tearing each other apart, why not try and remember our roots and ancestry and remember why we decided to embark on this journey through life together. Maybe, just maybe we can still save this country from obvious self destruction.

    People should start remembering our Asian culture which is founded on tolerance, humility, respect, etc. In our haste to catch up with the idea of modernization, it seems that we have neglected to see that sometimes moving backwards would prove to be the better way to getting where u want to go.
    Mengenai anggota polis yang secara terang terang tidak menghiraukan rayuan mangsa dan keluarga mereka, ia adalah cadangan saya supaya mereka tidak lagi diberikan anugrah dan tanggungjawab sebagai pembela rakyat. Mereka bukan saja tidak layak memikul beban yang datang dengan jawatan itu malah mereka telah menjejaskan imej semua anggota pihak berkuasa dan hukuman terhadap mereka sepatutnye dekenakan dengan seberat beratnye kerana walaupun penjenayah itu melakukan perbuatan itu, mereka asalpun nama penjenayah tetapi dalam isu mengenai pihak anggota polis pula, mereka bukan saja gagal melakukan tugas mereka malah tidak mempedulikan rayuan orang orang yang mencuba sedaya upaya untuk mendapat bantuan daripada mereka. (which is xactly what they’re there for). Ada sesetengah perkara yang boleh tutup sebelah mata ataupun diberi (benefit of the doubt) tetapi untuk mengabaikan tanggungjawab mereka sebagai pembela atau penjaga, ini tidak boleh dimaafkan. Memang patut pun mereka dimaki hamun oleh rakyat tak kira bangsa. Even though people make mistakes, there are just somethings that cannot afford them especially if it came from negligence, ignorance and the worst, the selfish attitude that im not too proud to say have been embedded in ALL MALAYSIAN.

    I greatly apologize to any and every group that may take offense to my remarks but i stand by my beliefs and hope that you will come to see the light of it as well. If we all can somehow learn to stand together again as one and stop dwelling on past history, maybe we will be able to find ourselves again. Thats why we’re thought history in the first place isn’t it? So that history doesn’t repeat itself. Well the bad ones anyway.

    Look, every county has their share of problems. Their not any better or worst than us. Difference is, some countries remember that the take pride in their nation and do their best to overcome their snags instead of letting it get the better of them. If fact, everyone should just be concerned with the state of our own country and be less “busy body” about other peoples nations.

    After reading this post u can do a number of things, tell me I’m full of shit, praise my remarks, not be moved at all or come after me with a parang but just ask yourselves this. Which one of those no of options would actually lead towards us making a difference, moving forward and progressing together as a country.

    Last but not least, to the motherf*cking animals that dare commit the vile and horrendous acts as the ones in subject, I pray you that if you are anywhere out loose and free, to bump into me or one of my many buddies who would gladly seek justice for their victims. Unfortunately for you, more n more individuals realize that we cant always depend on others and have to take action ourselves. Make no mistake, I’m not insinuating that we are some vigilante group that thinks there above the law. Rest assured, if it can be avoided, we’d still ask the support of the police force so that these criminals can be brought forth and judged by a court of law. All I’m saying is that, the next victims you try to bully, may end up doing the bullying instead.

    Personally, i think the best method of dealing with rapist and other criminal offenders like these, is to give these animals a taste of exactly their own medicine. HAVE THEM RAPED BY ANIMALS.

    To the victims and their families and all others who has suffered the trauma of the ordeal, my sympathies goes out to u all and hope that you find the strength to get overcome the tragedy.

  87. Justice Says:

    My apologies, it seems that my post has an overlapped section. I plea to all readers to use your own common sense an eliminate the repeated sections on your own. I’m sure the very intellectually capable readers that visit this site will have no problems doing so. However i do acknowledge my blunder and deeply apologize for this mistake. Hopefully everyone will be understanding enough to accommodate my request.
    Thank you

  88. Hell leader Says:

    WTF>……..If i m around JB,i really want to make sure those Mother F…
    been chained up,beaten,screw out the eye balls and testes,skin alive and stuck in nitrogen in their bodies.plus record the video to warn the other not to do the same and worse crime or the consequences is worse than before……….Hell and demon cuisine.F… u mother F…! up in their a$$es

  89. water liew Says:

    well…really took me some times reading all the post above. just wanted to say “mat ikhwan” and “chinaiswherewebelong” are the same person!

  90. Simon Thong Says:

    # water liew Says:
    October 30, 10 at 10:06 am

    well…really took me some times reading all the post above. just wanted to say “mat ikhwan” and “chinaiswherewebelong” are the same person!

  91. SG_SoulSlayer Says:

    making so furious looking at this story,..i hope the rapists parents n someone they love get raped n pregnant..then they know how does it feel when their love one get rape,..

  92. vcss Says:

    i think that malaysian government should set up a secret police force to kill these rapist and robbers.

  93. vcss Says:

    the government should allow people to kill these rapist and robbers. they should make a law where rapist and robbers will get torture to death.

  94. vcss Says:

    to all rapist and robbers, think twice before you act. i will come after you all. wait and see………….

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  96. ryvan Says:

    why dont we carry gun for protection when the government which forbiden us to carry them not doing their responsibilities…crime will reduce only when the criminals know that we can fight back and prepared to ditch some punishments…..

  97. joannas Says:

    Should the chinese guys revenge on the rape cases?

  98. Scott Thong Says:

    No.

    Vote out the slackers who are in charge of the police, who are slacking.

  99. justiceBEdone Says:

    Malaysia is a big ass racist country and all Malaysians know it..look at the education and welfare system….all planned for the freaking ***** pigs. I strongly recommend all Chinese to just head out of Malaysia and see how the f*cking country crumbles. Not sure if the stupidity and slack attitude is caused by the fact that your incest race does not eat **** or somethin!

    Even tourists get raped in this sh*thole country..Malaysia Boleh my freaking a*s when you c*cksuckers even f*ck your own 3 year old daughters and grand daughters…is that what your ******* and govt is all about? The corruption level is so high..don’t even get me started on that.

    Yes I am f*ckin big racist to you ***** pigs…if God allowed me, I would love to see the day your race terminates….I know many ******* who practice what they preach…but god damn ******…I even once saw a grandpa bloody caressing a little girl’s a*s in broad daylight…speechless.

    I am glad I do not live in that sh*t hole but everyday I pray for the victims and that justice be done to the pigs….I strongly advise all foreigners to stay away from this sh*thole…go read all the cases about tourist getting raped and murdered or the fact that rape is almost like a daily affair in Malaysia.

    Burn in hell, pigs….

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