David Horowitz on Islamo-Fascism and the Threat It Poses to Muslims and Non-Muslims Alike


A speech given by David Horowitz at the University of Wisconsin during Islamo-fascism Awareness Week. Go to the official website for more information.

IFAWeekPoster

The poster above is the official poster advertising the event. The horror that it shows is explained in the full speech and the excerpts below.

An excellent speech IMHO, and recommended reading.

Now, before you go all ballistic and sic fatwas, suicide bombers and the ISA on me, know this: The following speech is about the threat that militant-totalitarian-extremist-violent-powermongering versions of Islam poses to everyone… Ordinary Muslims as well as non-Muslims and Westerners.

In fact, the term ‘Islamo-fascism’ itself was coined by moderate Muslims… Who were being slaughtered by Sharia-radical groups intent on imposing their definition of religion by force.

The speaker makes it clear throughout his speech that ‘Islamo-fascism’ is distinct and different from Islam, and is simply a term for absolute-power dictators who use Islam as their excuse/cover/justification for ruling over people’s lives with an iron fist.

These Islamofascists want to dictate what each of us can or cannot do according to their personal, narrow definition of Islam. Whether we are Muslim or not, does not matter – they will impose their way of life on us.

In the context of Malaysia, women will be forced out of the workplace, politics and government offices, banned from driving, forced to wear a full burqa and denied the right to tesitify, vote or even speak out.

All ‘sinful’ modern entertainment and literature will be banned. Television, radio and the internet will be heavily censored. Blogs will be shut down and Youtube blocked.

Are we modern and free peoples, Muslim or not, willing to give up all these rights and prileges we take for granted? Surrendering them at the end of a gun-barrel?

Not I. Lan astaslem.

Horowitz’s full speech details lots of ties between those most infamous of fascists, Hitler and the Nazis, and the roots of modern Islamo-fascism. He also points out the defining trait of anti-Semitism that runs through both types of fascists.

Horowitz also has plenty of scorn for liberals, who in his opinion are hastening along the advent of Islamo-fascist rule over everyone. And when that happens, liberalism will cease to exist (and liberals will cease to live).

It’s absurdly ironic that liberals are so supportive of Islamo-fascists – depsite the fact that Islamo-fascists are brutally against the very things liberals hold dearest, such as homosexual rights, sexual freedom, feminism, freedom of religion, atheism, free speech and free dress!

I included less of the above talking points in the excerpts. Read the full speech for more enlightening information.

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Excerpts from full speech at Front Page Magazine. You are highly encouraged to read the whole thing through the link.

This evening is not about prejudice against Muslims. On the contrary, this evening is on behalf of all those Muslims who are oppressed by Islamo-Fascism, which you would know if you read what we have said.

If you want to understand what this week is about, here is the poster we designed to announce our events. What it shows is a soccer field in Afghanistan.

The figure with the AK-47 is a Taliban soldier. And this poor woman, who is about to have her head blown off at point blank range by an AK-47 has been accused of sexual improprieties, which violate Islamic law.

As you may or may not know, in countries where Sharia, which is Islamic law, is imposed by the state, women cannot be witnesses. So this poor woman had no defense. Nor could other women testify in her behalf. Islamic law forbids it.

Every person in this photo is a Muslim. The victim is a Muslim.

I know that there are the people who feel that the Muslim community is under threat here. But think of the Muslim community in Algeria where between 150,000 and 200,000 moderate Muslims were slaughtered in the 1990s, by an organization calling itself Al Qaeda of the Islamic Maghreb.

Think about the Muslims in the Sudan who are being slaughtered by a Taliban-like regime, simply because they don’t subscribe to the regime’s version of Islam.

In Iran, just last week, the modesty police issued a new edict that couples can’t hold hands in public. If you want the definition of a totalitarian state, it’s a state that controls every aspect of a person’s life.

Religions, and particularly Islam, are concerned with many aspects of a person’s life. Religion is about morality, about the family, and about social relations. So when interpretations of religious law are enforce by the political state that’s the end of all freedom. It means one set of priests is going to have the power state behind their interpretation of what you can and cannot do.

The end result of that process is this poor woman in the photo who is about to have her head blown off by an AK-47 for violating a government edict about her sex life.

That’s really what we intended to do with this week, to make people aware of this problem. I have called it “Islamo-Fascism.” That is not a term designed to say that all Muslims or a majority of Muslims are fascists.

In fact a majority of Muslims are either victims of Islamo-Fascists or threatened by them. The FoxNews channel anchor and other misguided individuals think that the term “Islamo-Fascism” is hate speech. That’s the same thing as saying the term should be banned. In a democracy, at least in our democracy as it has been degraded by so-called liberals today, the way you ban ideas is by calling them “hate speech.”

But saying that Islamo-Fascism implicates all Muslims make no logical sense.

We use the term “Italian Fascism” without assuming that all Italians are fascists. Hitler did not even win a majority of the vote in Germany, yet we use the phrase “German Fascism” without implying that all people of German descent are fascists.

People like Alan Colmes will throw around the term “white racism” pretty casually. Everyone in this room has either used the phrase “white racism” or read it without objection. Do you mean to call every white person a racist when you use that term? That would make Alan Colmes a racist. Yet that’s precisely what the opponents of Islamo-Fascism week seem to be claiming.

The hateful attacks on this week are, in fact quite stupid, when you think about what they are claiming. If I intended to come on a college platform and say hateful things about all Muslims, I would be hooted off the stage. No campus organization would invite me to say such things and if I did say them I would never be invited by any campus organization again.

Since no one on a college campus is prepared to hear hate speech, why bother to protest it in advance. It’s self-discrediting. Yet we live in such Orwellian times that no one laughs when the left makes these preposterous claims.

So, on the one hand, the hate campaign against us is a very stupid campaign, although it is also malicious. On the other, it is quite sinister. When you are called a racist from one end of the country to another, when you are identified as somebody who is preaching hate against a religious or ethnic or racial group, someone is going to believe those charges. The effect, in other words, is to put a target on your back. Which is why there is so much security present tonight.

The term Islamo-Fascism is, in my view, a useful and justifiable term because of the merger of religion and state in the totalitarian ideology we’re facing.

It is also historically based. What we are facing is a global religious movement that is a movement within Islam. It is not to be confused with Islam itself.

The Islamo-Fascists want you to confuse them with the Muslim community as a whole. They want to hide behind the Muslim community. And they are inflicting great damage on the Muslim community by doing so. When Ahmadinejad speaks or when Zawahiri speaks, they speak in the name of the Muslim ummah, but they do not actually speak for the Muslim ummah. And that distinction has to be made.

What we are facing is a radical force within Islam that originated in Egypt in the 1920s, with the Muslim Brotherhood. Hassan al-Banna was the founder of this movement, which is a movement of political Islam to seize control of states and impose Sharia, Islamic law, on their populations.

The Muslim Brotherhood attempted to assassinate Nasser. It assassinated Anwar Sadat, and it would probably like to assassinate the present ruler of Egypt, Mubarak – all of them Muslims.

It is claimed by many that the only reason for the attacks on the United States are its policies towards Israel or because of the war in Iraq, or because of George Bush. Bush created the war on terror has become a mantra in some powerful circles of the Democratic Party around George Soros.

But there is no basis in fact for these claims. The first leader of the modern Islamo-Fascist movement and the leader of the first Islamo-Fascist state was the Ayatollah Khomeini. It was Khomeni who declared America the Great Satan, and who led crowds a million strong in chants of, “Death to America,” in 1979.

And it was Jimmy Carter – not George Bush — who was president when he did that. But Jimmy Carter was a supporter of the Ayatollah and an enemy of the Shah whom he overthrew. Carter accused the Shah of human rights violations and undermined his rule. Carter persuaded the Shah to release Khomeini’s cohorts from prison, and allow Khomeni to return to Iran. Jimmy Carter made possible the Islamic Revolution.

When people say that the United States and its policies are responsible for 9/11, they’re forgetting this history, Jimmy Carter’s support for the very Islamo-fascists who are now attacking us. In the past twenty-five years, far from being an imperialist oppressor of Muslims, as the Islamo-fascists and the American left would have you believe, the United States saved the lives of millions of Muslims.

When Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, its armies conducted a scorched-earth policy, which means they killed everything in their way. They killed a million Muslims in Afghanistan, until the United States, by providing them with stinger missiles, by providing them with weapons, helped the Mujaheddin to defeat the Soviet Empire.

The United States went to war in Kosovo for Albanian Muslims, and saved them from extermination. The United States sent the Army Rangers into Somalia to feed starving Muslims in Somalia, and was attacked there by an Al Qaeda warlord. Al Qaeda and the Islamo-fascist movement have killed more Muslims than all the members of Bush’s “coalition of the willing” and all of Israel’s soldiers put together.

So it is completely absurd to hold Americans responsible for the hatred that is directed against us. It’s completely ridiculous. It is the opposite of the truth. The hatred against America is hatred of the fact that America is free and supports Muslims who don’t want to submit to the Islamo-fascists’ will.

The Middle East conflict is also misunderstood. The idea is floated about by Jimmy Carter and the Arab haters of Israel that Palestinian Arabs were deprived of their lands, that their lands were stolen, and Palestine is occupied by Israel.

The historical fact is that not only was the land on which Israel was created not part of any Palestinian entity, it wasn’t even controlled by the Arabs themselves.

The Middle East adjacent to the Jordan River and extending past the Euphrates was for 400 years controlled by the Ottoman Turks. The Turks, not the Arabs. The Ottoman Empire, which was founded in the 16th Century, came to an end when the Turks picked the wrong side in the First World War — the German side. When you lose a war, the victor gets the spoils. So the imperial powers of Britain and France got to divide up the Ottoman Empire.

Britain had promised the Jews the “Palestine Mandate” which they controlled. It was named “Palestine” by the Romans who drove the Jews out and gave the region the name of the enemies of the Jews, the Philistines, who were Greek sailors from the Aegean and not Arab at all. The Arab nomads did not settle in the region of Palestine until centuries later. The British promised this region of the Ottoman empire to the Jews for a national homeland. Jews had lived there for 3,000 years.

The Palestine Mandate was promised to the Jews, but in 1922, Winston Churchill gave 80% of the Mandate to Arabs from the Palestine region. That state is called Jordan.

Nearly 70% of the state of Jordan is made up of Palestinians, but they ruled by the Hashemite tribe. You never hear anybody from the Palestinian cause or from the American left, anybody from the ranks of those attacking this event and attacking the state Israel, and attacking the United States calling in the Left – you never hear anyone of them complaining about the oppression of Palestinians in Jordan. Or calling for their liberation. That is because all these attacks on Israel and the United States are motivated by hatred for Israel and the United States, not concern for the Palestinians.

To return to this history, 80% of the Palestine Mandate was given by the Imperial Powers to the Arabs of the Palestine region. The remaining 20% was divided evenly between the Jews living in the Palestine Mandate, and the Arabs living in the Palestine Mandate. The Jewish portion, just 10% of the entire Palestine Mandate and less than 1% of the Arab Midle East, was three little unconnected slivers, the largest of which — 60% of the total – was an arid desert. That was what the UN by an overwhelming majority vote in 1948.

In addition to Israel’s creation by the UN, the Imperial Powers created Jordan Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. All of these states were artificially created by the Imperial Powers out of the Turkish Empire. So the attacks on Israel for stealing Palestinian land are one big lie whose sole purpose is justify the Islamo-fascist campaign to destroy the Jewish nation.

In 1948, instead of accepting the partition of a tiny portion of the land they had been given, the Arab states – Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypty, Iraq, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel in a war which they proclaimed would “push the Jews into the sea.” It was a war of aggression – and they lost. The Arabs have continued that war for the last sixty years.

There were refugees from this war. There were 600,000 Arab refugees. And there were 600,000 Jewish refugees. The Jews fled Iraq, Iran, Morocco and other Arab lands in which they had lived for hundreds of years. In Iraq, the largest ethnic community in Baghdad, for hundreds of years, was the Jews, until the 1930s, when Iraq became a fascist country and massacred the Jews living there and drove the survivors out.

There are over 5 million Palestinian Arabs living in refugee camps today; there no Jews living in refugee camps. Why is that? Because the state of Israel, re-settled the Jewish refugees, gave them homes, gave them citizenship, and gave them jobs. But the Arab states deliberately kept the Palestinians in refugee camps, refused to allow them to become citizens of Jordan or Saudi Arabia or other Arab countries.

Billions of dollars have been poured into the Arab refugee problem by the United States and Israel and the UN. But all that money has done has been to maintain the refugee problem. There’s a reason for that. It is because the Arab states and the Palestinian leadership want poverty stricken Arabs as cannon fodder for their hateful war against the Jews. That’s what the Middle East conflict is about.

There are one million Arabs who live peacefully in Israel. These Arabs have more rights living in Israel than the Arabs in any Arab state. They vote. They are elected to Israel’s parliament. They have the rights of the only democratic state in the entire Arab world.

Khomeni’s goal was to establish an Islamic state under 7th century Islamic law. Khomeni killed twenty-five times as many Iranians –Muslims — in the first three years of his revolutionary rule than the despised Shah had killed in the 34 years of his.

The reason Khomeini hated the Shah is because the Shah allowed women to be educated in Iran for the first time in their history, and allowed them, if they so chose, to remove the veil. The Shah was a dictator, but he was a progressive dictator. And that’s why Khomeini and Islamic fundamentalists hated him, and overthrew him.

This is a warning to you progressives in the audience. This is my gift to you if you will take it. The Islamo-fascists whom you support will devour you in the end.

Before I finish, I want to say something about the Iraq War. Watching the left mobilize to oppose the war, I was reminded of the Iranian Revolution of 1979.

The constant complaint of the left at the time was that the United States supported dictators like the Shah because they were anti-communists. If they followed our foreign policy, we didn’t care what they did to people within their borders. That was the Left’s complaint and you heard it over and over and over again — the United States supports dictators.

So it was quite illuminating to me when George Bush set out to overthrow one of those dictators, one of the true monsters of the 20th Century, a man who had murdered 300,000 people. Who do you think he murdered? He murdered Muslims. He murdered mainly Shi’a Muslims. He dropped poison gas on the Kurds. He put Muslims into plastic shredders. His two sons went on a rape rampage, raping and killing Muslim girls.

And then Bush came along and overthrew him. And the left hates Bush for that! I watched all of my former comrades go out in the streets to try to save Saddam Hussein, this fascist dictator and mass murderer, from being overthrown.

Now, what is that about? It is about the left’s hatred for America which is greater than its hatred for oppressors like Saddam Hussein. The reason the Left is in a de facto alliance with the Islamo-Fascists is because the believes what the Islamo-fascists believe — that the United States is the Great Satan; and Israel, of course, is the Little Satan. It is their progressive duty to make the United States lose the War on Terror, so the Khomenis of the Middle East can liberate the Muslim world.

The Left has been on the wrong side of battle for freedom for almost 100 years.

I think the War in Iraq has been mismanaged, and so has the war at home. The President has failed to explain the war to the American people. But these mistakes don’t negate the fact that the overthrow of Saddam Hussein was a good deed.

Moreover, the United States cannot afford to lose this war. If we lose the War in Iraq, if we do what Nancy Pelosi or Cindy Sheehan want us to do, which is just to get out, what will happen in Iraq is exactly what happened in Vietnam when we did the same thing. After we left Vietnam to the mercy of the communists, 2.5 million people slaughtered.

Not only will Moqtadar al-Sadr and the Republican National Guard slaughter every Muslim — every Muslim in Iraq who wanted their freedom, who went to vote, who supported the coalition led by America — but Iraq will wind up in the hands of Ahmadinejad and Iran, and they will go after the other Arab regimes in the region whose Islamic ways are not pure enough.

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For some posts related to the points raised in Horowitz’s speech (and need I reiterate, ‘Islamo-fascism’ is distinct and different from Islam, and is simply a term for absolute-power dictators who use Islam as their excuse/cover/justification for ruling over people’s lives with an iron fist):

More Than 23,000 Terrorists Killed (how the Iraq situation is actually preventing Iraqi Muslims and other people worldwide from more terror attacks. For how this is being accomplished, see 72-year-old Iraqi Spots, Stops and Shoots Suicide Bomber and Bomblets Frag Terrorists, Spare Dog. For the motive, see Do Republicans Support The Troops Because the of Jesus and the Apostles?)

Iraqi Insurgents Used Kids As Cover Then Killed Them (what the Islamo-fascists believe constitute fair, humane and heroic tactics. See also cartoon from Cox and Forkum below)

PalestinianBodyArmour

Photos of Brutally Murdered Victims of the Southern Thailand Pattani Insurgency (how Islamo-fascists go about ‘winning hearts and minds’ among the innocent local populace – including Muslims)

Iran Prez Ahmadinejad Sez: “There Are No Homosexuals in Iran” (And Why There Ain’t Any) (Iran gives us a taste of how liberals will immediately be treated if the Islamo-fascists they love-so-much ever come to power)

Nahoul the Terror Bee Teaches Animal, Uh… Kindness, Continue to Learn Holy War With Nahoul the Bee and Hi Kids! Let’s Learn Holy War With Farfur the Mouse! (what the Islamo-fascists find more important to teach young children than maths and science)

Narrow Sighted and Single Minded Criminalizing of War (our very own Dr. Mahathir only denounces Israel and not other flagrant human rigths violations)

What Did the Vietnam War Ever Accomplish? (some info about what happened when the Americans stopped selflessly sacrificing themselves for us ungrateful South-East Asians)

And posts about the liberal lies and propaganda which serve to undermine truth in the name of advancing (among other things) Islamo-fascism:

Malaysiakini: Are US News Agencies Biased Against Palestine?

Mainstream Media Dishonesty – 101 Liberal Media Lies

Media Mythbusters Wiki

All Your Fakes Are Belong to Us

Flat Fatima will Make Your News Stories Become The Truth!

Al Gore: High Commander of War & Peace Hypocrisy

Will the Real Hillary Clinton Please Stand Up?

Pro General Petraeus, Anti Betray Us Editorial Cartoons

And as we began with a horrifying picture of a Muslim woman about to be ruthlessly murdered by Islamo-fascists, we shall end with another such picture:

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Got to here for the full 4.62 mb PDF file or to this link for the video presentation.

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21 Responses to “David Horowitz on Islamo-Fascism and the Threat It Poses to Muslims and Non-Muslims Alike”

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  5. arabracismislamofascism Says:

    Please see:

    http://arabracismislamofascism.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/links-info-on-the-islamo-fascism-awareness-week/

  6. melanthe Says:

    Hi Scott, I’m a malay muslim girl working in KL. I love my God as much as you love yours (I believe in only One God whom people the world over no matter what religion call on anyway, a belief that will probably get me flack from all sides, Christians or Muslims or whatever).

    I read the David Horowitz article with some interest.

    Just to add my own personal thoughts: Although it’s true that muslims have been more oppressed by their own governments / rulers than others, America is usually behind these corrupt regimes, propping them up with arms / funds (Saudi Arabia / Iran – as he pointed out / Iraq – Sadam’s govt was US-backed-trained-funded until that megolomaniac decided to suck Kuwait’s oil reserves from under their feet – prompting Bush to cook up the non-existent “Weapons of Mass Destruction” fable as an excuse to get the US army in to protect first and foremost Iraq’s Ministry of Oil and secure all-american petro-dollar contracts (never mind democracy / hospitals / schools / weddings / life itself).

    In other words the American government is not disliked because they are said to kill more people. They are disliked because they’re hypocritical about it – whatever the reasons given to the world, time and again it’s proven that the real reasons are to further American economic and political dominance, the innocent are just “collateral damage”.

    There a LOT of us out here who don’t buy either message: we don’t like extremists, fanatics, and yes fascists, or war-mongerers of any side. Whether they are wearing army fatigue, or the latest guerilla garb, or robes and turbans, or suits and ties.

  7. Scott Thong Says:

    Hi melanthe, I totally agree that many American leaders are complete hypocrites – not just on matters of war and peace, but also on social issues, global warming, morals and ethics etc.

    Even our own leaders are not exempt from calling the shots based on their own narrow political views:

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/02/14/narrow-sighted-and-single-minded-criminalizing-of-war/

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/02/12/the-star-opinion-disappointed-over-mahathir%e2%80%99s-comments/

    Similarly, previous (and current) US administrations have supported dictators and evil men because they fall in line with US policies. Just look at Pakistan’s General Musharaf today.

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    Meanwhile, Malaysia and others all turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to China’s humans rights abuses and occupation of Tibet, Myanmar’s iron-fisted rule and shooting civilians and monks, Indonesia’s invasion and then massacres in East Timor, and Malaysia’s own racial/religious discrimination – even discriminations way past the commonsense interpretations of the Merdeka Social Contract!

    Let me throw this out in the open for all readers (ISA go away come again some other day): Malaysia and other Muslim nations dislike the US and Israel extra because they are nonMuslim nations. Consider it honestly – WOULD they make any noise at all if Israel were a powerful Muslim state, bullying the poor Jewish kaffir Palestinians?

    Are you sure? Really sure? Then why is no sound made when Christians in Muslim majority states worldwide are regularly harassed, raped, jailed, forced to convert, executed, even enslaved? Did they do anything so evil and inhumane as to deserve such treatment?

    http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/christians-are-the-most-persecuted-people-of-all/

    I mean, picture this: Muslims get angry in Nigeria and riot, attacking churches and blaming and killing Christians… Because they are angry over a cartoon published in BANGLADESH, drawn by a MUSLIM!! Does this seem justified to you? Not me!

    http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/bangladesh-cat-cartoon-causes-riots-in.html

    (Cartoon looks like something out of the usual Ujang fare btw.)

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    The US, Russia and Western nations aren’t alone in playing the meddler. Heck, Syria has been pulling Lebanon’s strings for decades – occupation here, assassinating anti-Syria members of Lebanese parliament, funding Hezbollah to stir up trouble (including shooting rockets into Israel weekly until Israel responds – and Lebanon suffers)… And no one here gives a single condemning utterance.

    Where are you, Dr. Chandra Muzaffar, President of International Movement for a Just World (JUST)? Do you only write your regular letters to condemn Israel and America?

    Seriously: How many times have we actually heard our leaders comdemn the snipers, hostage-takers, beheaders and suicide bombers who kill hundreds in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Phillipines, Southern Thailand?

    All condemnation is only heard against the US, when it is those very insurgent attacks that keep the US Army in Iraq longer!

    No terror attacks on Iraqi civilians = US troops can leave faster + Everyone is happy except the terrorists

    Conclusion:
    People all over the world are flagrant hypocrites. The US is just the most prominent one of all.

    In my opinion, we should all just gvie up this pretense of ‘fairness’ and ‘justice’ and reveal our true motives: Every nation is ultimately for itself, and maybe its allies. For isn’t that the truth of things?

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    But I have to disagree if anyone thinks America has been behind ALL the corrupt fascists regimes. On the contrary, some of them existed before long the USA was even established as an influential power:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_arabia#History

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ahmad#The_Rebellion

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirate (whose kingdom-sponsored attacks on everyone in reach caused America to build a navy and launch the two Barbary Wars – which were the US’s first incursions into the Middle East)

    Nonie Darwish (you can Wikipedia her) is of the opinion that dictators can rule over Muslim states without criticism or question because they are viewed almost as Caliphs, who were historically assumed to be above the law – even Sharia law. Thus they can get away with anything, and all that they utter must be right – and obeyed without question. (Her views, not neccessarily mine.)

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/190080.php

    From her experience living in the Middle East, the concept of ‘submission’ (which Islam means) is abused by those in power to keep the masses cowed. Strict interpretation of religious law is used to make them suspicious, guilty of themselves and compliant. (Her views, not neccessarily mine.)

    Which reminds me very much of Communist regimes and their KGB-style informants, making the populace fear each other as spies yet ready to sell each other out to protect themselves. (My view.)

    FrontPage magazine article

    Ah… sorry to get all ranty.

  8. melanthe Says:

    Hi Scott,

    I disagreed with David Horowitz’ article when he says that America “saves” lives for puristic reasons. The American army has slaughtered more innocent people with great precision & carpet bombing than any modern army in history. It’s a military superpower, which has pushed the envelope in developing an incredible arsenal of ways to kill other humans.

    And he seems to say it’s ok for America to kill muslims because more muslims kill muslims than America does! It’s not ok. It’s not ok to kill “bad” muslims on the pretext of “saving” “good” muslims and give them “democracy” while you rob them of the freedom and sovereignty over their oil resources.

    As for counting oppression, let’s all be honest: Jews will say they are the most persecuted race, Christians will say: No! WE are the most persecuted race, then Muslims will say: What?? But WE are the most persecuted blah-blah-blah! The American Indians will want that crown, and so will the Chinese who suffered under Mao Tze Tung, or the aussie aborigines, or orang asli, or the ethnically-cleansed Bosnians, or the hutus and tutsis of Rwanda, etc etc etc. The only certain thing is this: human beings kill and oppress other human beings.

    Who counts the dead? No one is going to win this argument, because every faith has had its tragedies and pain. Only God knows the true history of man.

    To me it’s simple: no oppression is justified, be it Muslim / Christian / Jewish / Hindu / Sikh / Masai whatever, or be it over 1 person / millions.

    When I pray, I know I am talking to my Creator, the Creator of ALL mankind and the Universe, who created man and then gave him guidance (be it from the Torah / Bible / Qur’an / other guidance that man has no knowledge of). Every guidance teaches us to be GOOD. But God let’s us choose: to take it or to reject it. Those who reject God’s guidance are the ones who call themselves Muslims / Christians / Jews / Buddhists etc but have no compunction to slaughter, rob, rape, bomb innocent people. They have no fear of God, and have no light left in their hearts. They can call themselves Caliph Syed or President Sadam or President Bush or His Royal Majesty King John or whatever but these people are not representative of their faith / religion / people or culture / even humanity.

    In Islam there is personal accountability for all: No soul will bear the sins of another. Bush will have to answer to God, Sadam already is. But before we all get too happy about it, we have to remember that so do we. No God-fearing person will ever oppress another because he knows that death is real, and heaven and hell are real, and ultimately God is real.

    That should be enough to make us all kinder, patient, generous, courageous and more humble.

    Please understand: I don’t hate Americans, America, or God forbid, Christians. My comment was only in relation to what I saw as a heavily skewed article by David Horowitz – his defensive stance is ironically the same defensive stance taken by the “islamo-fascist” group that he denounces. One extreme never cancels out another: the “islamo-fascists” may be wrong, but so are the “david horowitzes”. And I have a fear that it is skewed articles like this that inflame the extremist (of both sides) agenda. Nobody ever wins.

  9. J Says:

    Methinks you have bought into the taqiyya propaganda spread by Muslims. Have you even read the Qur’an? The Qur’an doesn’t teach you to be good, it teaches you good ways to kill, exploit and oppress others. The true Muslims are radical, violent people like Saddam and Osama, the false ones are all the moderate, non-violent Muslims in the world.

    Disclaimer: This opinion is solely my own and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of the owner of this blog.

  10. Scott Thong Says:

    Well said, melanthe. I agree with you completely in that no religion or philosophy that calls upon its followers to attack and murder others should be obeyed. No belief that twists holy texts or constitutional documents to justify violence should be tolerated.

    But mankind has been killing his brother since the very first blow Cain struck against Abel. And it doesn’t look to be ending any time soon, not until the Day of Judgement.

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    Link to what is taqiyya for those who aren’t familiar:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

    Regarding what the Quran says to do, commenter wits0 provides this link to a webmaster, whose opinion is that fundamentally, the Golden Rule (do unto others as you would have them do unto you) is not applicable in Islam. Judge his logic for yourself:
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005959.php

    He also quotes various verses – 8:12, 3:28, 8:65, 9:5, 9:14, 9:23, 9:28, 9:123, 47:4 – but in a ‘reversed manner’. See what I mean for yourself, judge if he is accurate on the verses by checking for yourself by choosing the relevant chapter, then searching (CTRL+F) for the numbered verse.

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/

    You can also hop quickly by replacing the numbers in the http website address bar. For an example, compare the html for these following two links and you can see how to replace numbers to find verses. You have to replace numbers at the three spots highlighted in bold:

    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/047.qmt.html#047.004
    http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html#008.012

    All opinions thorugh all links are not neccessarily mine. Reader discretion and own opinions advised.

  11. wits0 Says:

    I think, Scott, those many ugly actions of the ancients in the OT as chronicled are not meant as binding examples to be followed. The Jesus episode was/is meant to sever all justifications for them since his days. Modern Jewish rabbis also mostly agree that they are not binding examples to be followed. Therefore a clear distinction must be made of a Creed that has reformed with that which insists on blindly following the very letter of their doctrinal dogmas. The second attitude is definitely untenable and insane.

  12. Scott Thong Says:

    If Christians and Jews believed that ‘all prophets of God are sinless and infallible’, and therefore examples to be emulated, we would argue for the morality of drunkenness like Noah, incest like Lot and his daughters, adultery and conspiracy to murder like David, Solomon and his idolatry and on and on.

    Only Jesus was sinless, being God in the flesh – not just a sinful, human prophet.

    Would good sir wits0 or anyone else be so kind as to list down some of the sinful and downright evil, inhuman and merciless acts of some other ‘prophets’, which happen to be used as justification and even guidelines for behaviour?

  13. Muslims Against Sharia Says:

    Muslims Against Sharia congratulate David Horowitz FREEDOM CENTER and Mike Adams, Tammy Bruce, Phyllis Chesler, Ann Coulter, Nonie Darwish, Greg Davis, Stephen Gale, David Horowitz, Joe Kaufman, Michael Ledeen, Michael Medved, Alan Nathan, Cyrus Nowrasteh, Daphne Patai, Daniel Pipes, Dennis Prager, Luana Saghieh, Rick Santorum, Jonathan Schanzer, Christina Sommers, Robert Spencer, Brian Sussman, Ed Turzanski, Ibn Warraq and other speakers on the success of the Islamofascism Awareness Week.

    Islamofascism (or Islamism) is the main threat facing modern civilization and ignorance about this threat is astounding. We hope that this event becomes regular and reaches every campus.

    A great many Westerners do not see the clear distinction between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism). They need to understand that the difference between Islam and Islamism (Islamofascism) is the same as the difference between Christianity and Christian Identity Movement (White Supremacy Movement).

    Original post

  14. Jbilou med Says:

    search more about islam please

    before posting this gendre of article

    —————————–
    jbilou med
    http://www.wowzik.com

  15. Scott Thong Says:

    Well Jbilou med, I searched more about Islam…

    And I found some verses in the Quran that are very popular with the fascistic crowd…

    Take a look see:

    We will cast terror into the hearts of non-Muslims. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them (8:12)

    Let not the Muslims take for friends or helpers the non-Muslims (3:28)

    Rouse the Muslims to the fight against non-Muslims (8:65)

    Then fight and slay the non-Muslims wherever ye find them (9:5)

    Fight the non-Muslims, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame (9:14)

    O ye the Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they do not love Islam (9:23)

    O ye the Muslims! Truly the non–Muslims are unclean (9:28)

    O ye Muslims! fight the non-Muslims who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you (9:123)

    Therefore, when ye meet the non-Muslims, smite at their necks; At length (47:4)

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005959.php

    You are right Jbilou med, after searching more about Islam (which I spell with a capital letter but you apparently don’t) I realize that the fascists are justified all along. How dare I complain in my posts about them striking off my head! Shame on me, such a kaffir I am!

  16. hutchrun Says:

    Iranian blogger writes:

    In Iran, if there is inflation, if teachers’ salary is not paid or if bus drivers protest their low payment, if we don’t have good ties with other countries, if blah blah blah there is only one culprit according to statesmen: International Zionism. Correspondingly, most of the hard-liners view multinational corporations as agents of Zionism and Israel. Adidas, Nestle, Timberland, Benetton, Royal Dutch Shell etc. are supposedly supporters of Israel.

    http://ord-per.blogspot.com/2008/02/international-zionism-traced-in-tehran.html

  17. Will Says:

    Religion is a crutch for those too weak to stare into the void. Morality has no place in religion.

  18. wits0 Says:

    Institutionalize Religion has no right to enforce morality in the name of “Celestial Law”. Hell breaks lose when this is attempted.

  19. Utubusuer Says:

    It’s pretty ridiculous how people associate religion with facism and terrorism. Religion of any sort is very holy and should not be insulted with association of such words. Islamo-facism is ridiculous. No religion teaches another to massacre. One can take quotes from any book, blow them out of context to suit their needs. We do not call the jews “jesus killers” nor do we call the christians ”serb killers” nor do we call taking over the native american lands as ‘war’ nor do we call colonization of south africa, north africa and india ‘breaching national security of another sovereign nation.’ No matter, what context you put it in, we will always have the better label because we write the history books. It’s never ok to kill people like these facists are doing. No religion condones such behavior. One can find quotes from any book (Geeta, Paranas, Tanakh, Bible, Quran etc etc) and twist them to make them negative or positive. It is up to us, as human beings to focus on uniting or dividing. Just because a bunch of retards claim to be a certain religion and create violence and terrorism does not give us the right to spread hate and intolerance. By sitting here and pointing fingers at them and their ‘religion’ we are only dividing ourselves further. True followers of Islam will never support the claims of these ‘islamo-facists.’ But by sitting here and hating all muslims (who do not support terror), we become no better than the terrorists. We could be the ones who take a step to unite ourselves against all terrorism or we can continue hating and blaming people who play no role in it.
    I am an american who is willing to take a step toward peace and focus on uniting us.
    Here are some quotes from the Quran that focus on uniting us, rather than spreading more hate.

    Those who believe, those who are Jews, and the Christians and Sabaeans, all who believe in God and the Last Day and act rightly, will have their reward with their Lord. They will feel no fear and will know no sorrow. (Qur’an, 2:62)

    O You who believe! Show integrity for the sake of God, bearing witness with justice. Do not let hatred for a people incite you into not being just. Be just. That is closer to faith. Heed God [alone]. God is aware of what you do. (Qur’an, 5:8)

    There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become clearly distinct from error. Anyone who rejects false deities and has belief in God has grasped the Firmest Handhold, which will never give way. God is All-Hearing, All-Knowing. (Qur’an, 2:256)

    if someone kills another person-unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth-it is as if he had murdered all mankind…” (Qur’an, 5:32)

    Luke 9:52-56: they did not receive him…And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.

  20. Scott Thong Says:

    That’s all very well, Utubusuer.

    I am sure we are all now 100% convinced that Islam is truly a religion of peace.

    Now how about convincing the ones who really need it – the terrorists killing, in the name of Islam according to their own words, innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan, Thailand, Indonesia, Phillipines, India, Pakistan, London, Madrid, New York, Chechnya?

    These murderers are the ones who need to know that Islam ‘is a religion of peace’. Seriously, we bloggers don’t need to hear it anymore – it’s quite pointless to talk to us when we can’t do squat about the actual killers.

    You could try dialoguing with people like this first –

    http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2008/12/muslims_condemn.html

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/195176.php

    Read those Muslims’ rantings about how Islam commands and commends the slaughter of infidels (i.e. me). If you can convince them and other Muslim bloggers that Islam forbids the harming of innocents, I will dedicate an entire post to praising Islam as a religion that encourages peace.

    I suppose the burning question is this: If all religions are equal in their pursuit of peace and goodness, then why are there so overwhelmingly many Islamic terrorists compared to Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh and etc?

    Perhaps you have an answer for that one.

  21. wits0 Says:

    Even Jews, Christians and Sikhs don’t tell other people to submit.

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