Ultimate Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch: Incest is The Next Liberal Sexual Revolution


From the pages of The Ultimates, the Sex, Lies, & DVD story arc:

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Well, why not?

After all, traditional (i.e. Judeo-Christian) norms of sexuality are being rapidly eroded… From sex outside marriage, to free sex, to group sex, to homosexuality.

So why not incest?

After all, as I have pointed out before, there is no basis for genetic or health objections to incest.

So why is it still considered wrong or yucky? Especially by atheists and humanists. At least the religious kooks can say that their Ancient Book ‘o’ Rules doesn’t permit it, what excuse do you guys have? Some sort of twisting of your anything-goes relative morality?

So it looks like there’s no stopping the soon-to-come multiculturally tolerant acceptance of hot brother-sister incest action!

And once that unjustified taboo is out of the way, I guess only interspecies sex (read: zoophilia and bestiality) is left on the list of sexual rights facing prejudice and bias.

In fact, methinks America is waaaaay behind in the liberal sexual preferences equality movement. Europe has already taken the lead in this.

Go Democrat Party! Go Liberals! Legalize incest, bestiality and sex with cyborg alien children!

PS. Once again, the liberal forums are luvin my post!

UPDATE: Switzerland debates legalizing incest! So why are US liberals being such anti-love bigots when it comes to private decisions between two consenting adults behind closed doors?

UPDATE: Here you can see citations where people think sex between father and adult, consenting daughter is okay. What do you say?

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62 Responses to “Ultimate Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch: Incest is The Next Liberal Sexual Revolution”

  1. Edi神 Says:

    Lotta cases involve bumis…

    Might need their opinions

  2. kweky@ipoh boy Says:

    whatever it is, incest is legal in someway. refer to the bible. i will find out which chapter of the bible. soon i will let you all know. i remember i came across a chapter of the bible which tells a story of sisters and their father being hunted by pirates and robbers. they went into a cave in a valley. they were trapped inside the cave and the robbers were still looking for them. they hid in the cave for a while and the sisters felt that they have no other choice but to reproduce through their father………….. something like that..

    i will come out with the chapter.

  3. Scott Thong Says:

    The Chapter is Genesis 19, after they had escaped from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

    And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

    And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

    And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

    And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

    The sisters decided to reproduce with their father, so they got him drunk and did it while he was unawares. This is considered a bad thing.

    The children born from this sinful union were Moab and Benammi, who later gave rose to tribes – the Moabites and the Ammonites – that were the constant enemies of God’s chosen people the Israelites.

  4. kweky@ipoh boy Says:

    thanks for the information. is it legal anyway???????? considering the circumstances.

    what if there were no choice??

    but the choices for the sisters were simple. why not just wait for a while??

    but i believe it was more to lust rather that the need to reproduce!!!!!!

  5. kweky@ipoh boy Says:

    also considering the authenticity of the chapter, if you are running away for your life, will you bring wine along??? or will you start making your own wine in such times of trouble???

  6. Jason Verga Says:

    The percentage of children with birth defects among 1st degree relatives is about one out of two. This is why marriage is often legal among cousins while it is allways illegal among siblings.
    Many animals istinctively avoid mating with a close kin unless no other option is viable: lionesses chase away their sons when they become sexually mature and the same happens with horses. The same mechanism applies to humans, but in our case it is strenghtened by social norms.
    I remember a statistic that showed as the number of marriages among children in Israel who grew up in the same kibbutz was extremely low- so I suppose human beings have a deep seated mental mechanism that encourages them to seek a partner outside from their native group. It is reasonable to think that such a trait would have had, by logic, many chances to spread.
    You can look at it like an example of the “simplicity of G-d”: He seeded morality in our very being through our evolution.
    I believe Kissenger wrote something about the social reasons that cause incest to be widely avoided, but it is not really my field.

    About zoophilia, it is worth pointing out that USA is not that behind:
    I found this list of american states that allow it:

    http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2269/zoocurrent.html

    I read one of Singer’s books. I believe he used the “month of grace” more as an example than as an actual porposal, but I cannot be sure.
    It is to say though, that having seen many situations in which a newborn is condemned to a slow, inevitable death, I myself have often wondered about this issue. I still think we have no right to take a life, no matter how worthless it looks to us (except to save another one), but seeing a child that will have to be left to die of hunger because we have no actual way of saving him is something that can leave no man indifferent.
    There is to note that very religious people, such as the Spartans, the Romans and many african tribes, all practiced infanticide.
    Being theists does not guarantees being good. I cannot say I agree with atheists, but many of the ones I know are more than decent people (and a discrete number of them is conservative, believe it or not.).

    As far as bestiality is concerned, well, there are serious heath issues to be considered. I remember of a case I read about years ago: a man contracted a new mutation of pneumonia by having sex with sheeps, that proved resistent to antibiotics. Plus I believe the news of a man killed in a
    uhhhh… “horse riding accident” in the state of Washinghton is pretty recent, so I would say it is really not a good idea.
    Feeling attraction fo an animal is not natural and it indicates deeply seeted psychological problems. It means being unable to confront with a human partner and to share the intimacy that only two intelligent creatures can know.

    There would be more, but I’m running late.
    Good bye.

    PS: kweky, if I remember well they brought the wine with them because they didn’t want to make it look like if they were excaping from the city, so they said they were going on a trip or something like that. I read it in a Jewish fable, so don’t take it for certain.

  7. Verga Says:

    The percentage of children with birth defects among 1st degree relatives is about one out of two. This is why marriage is often legal among cousins while it is allways illegal among siblings.
    Many animals istinctively avoid mating with a close kin unless no other option is viable: lionesses chase away their sons when they become sexually mature and the same happens with horses. The same mechanism applies to humans, but in our case it is strenghtened by social norms.
    I remember a statistic that showed as the number of marriages among children in Israel who grew up in the same kibbutz was extremely low- so I suppose human beings have a deep seated mental mechanism that encourages them to seek a partner outside from their native group. It is reasonable to think that such a trait would have had, by logic, many chances to spread.
    You can look at it like an example of the “simplicity of G-d”: He seeded morality in our very being through our evolution.
    I believe Kissenger wrote something about the social reasons that cause incest to be widely avoided, but it is not really my field.

    About zoophilia, it is worth pointing out that USA is not that behind:
    I found this list of american states that allow it:

    http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2269/zoocurrent.html

    I read one of Singer’s books. I believe he used the “month of grace” more as an example than as an actual porposal, but I cannot be sure.
    It is to say though, that having seen many situations in which a newborn is condemned to a slow, inevitable death, I myself have often wondered about this issue. I still think we have no right to take a life, no matter how worthless it looks to us (except to save another one), but seeing a child that will have to be left to die of hunger because we have no actual way of saving him is something that can leave no man indifferent.
    There is to note that very religious people, such as the Spartans, the Romans and many african tribes, all practiced infanticide.
    Being theists does not guarantees being good. I cannot say I agree with atheists, but many of the ones I know are more than decent people (and a discrete number of them is conservative, believe it or not.).

    As far as bestiality is concerned, well, there are serious heath issues to be considered. I remember of a case I read about years ago: a man contracted a new mutation of pneumonia by having sex with sheeps, that proved resistent to antibiotics. Plus I believe the news of a man killed in a
    uhhhh… “horse riding accident” in the state of Washinghton is pretty recent, so I would say it is really not a good idea.
    Feeling attraction fo an animal is not natural and it indicates deeply seeted psychological problems. It means being unable to confront with a human partner and to share the intimacy that only two intelligent creatures can know.

    There would be more, but I’m running late.
    Good bye.

    PS: kweky, if I remember well they brought the wine with them because they didn’t want to make it look like if they were excaping from the city, so they said they were going on a trip or something like that. I read it in a Jewish fable, so don’t take it for certain.

    PPS: I’m sorry if this post appears twice but it doesn’t seem to have been visualized the first time.

  8. Marcy Says:

    1) The article you linked only mentions first degree cousins. If you took five minutes to check, you would know that the rate of birth defects in a more closely related pair is far higher- ignorance or willing deception?

    2) In your other article you mentioned the power dynamics inside a family- well, they would be screwed up even in the case of two brothers or two sisters having an affair:
    a father or a mother are supposed to be authority figures>
    a mate is supposed to protect his/her mate, often against his/her authority figures (never had a fight with the in laws?).
    This would inevitably lead to conflict.
    Plus it would prevent the detachment of the couple from the family and their independence, which on the short term would be damaging to them, in the long term to society as well.
    Situations of abuse and early sex (which- believe it or not, even some of us satanic liberals think to be damaging for a child) would be common: think how big is the difference in strength between a 16 years old and 1 13 years old. they are both sexually active. They are both adolescents (read: walking hormones factories).
    It would either end in rape or in being completely cut off from social life outside the family- which again would damage them and society as well.

    3) We have for many reasons an instinctive aversion for inbreeding- but the guy before me explained it well enough. this instinct is further strengthened by societal norms.

    4) Every religion around the globe forbids incest (with some exception in the case of royal families.). So are they are all divinely inspired?

    5) A sister who refuses a brother or who broke up with him and is forced to live under the same roof… not very cool.6

    6) The most important reason: family is family. It is the block upon which our society is built. It is supposed to be the only place place where you can be with a bunch of males without wondering if they are staring at your tits.

    I could think of more, but I think this is enough.

    The fact that YOU cannot think of a logical reason to justify a law does not mean that said reason doesn’t exist.

    Adieu!

  9. Scott Thong Says:

    The gist of my post is: Why do atheists think that voluntary and consensual incest between two similarly-aged adult siblings is disgusting at all? What basis do you have for this gut reaction?

    No basis means you have about as much justification for criminalizing consensual adult incest as the next kook religion.

    1)) The article you linked only mentions first degree cousins. If you took five minutes to check, you would know that the rate of birth defects in a more closely related pair is far higher- ignorance or willing deception?

    Selective example.

    Try the two homosexual brothers or sisters example instead, does that help?

    think how big is the difference in strength between a 16 years old and 1 13 years old. they are both sexually active. They are both adolescents (read: walking hormones factories).
    It would either end in rape or in being completely cut off from social life outside the family- which again would damage them and society as well.

    Not an issue with adults. Something which I clarified distinctly in my referenced post. Or is it, on your part, ignorance or willing deception?

    4) Every religion around the globe forbids incest (with some exception in the case of royal families.). So are they are all divinely inspired?

    According to Judeo-Christianity, no. The good parts in them are merely shadows of the original holiness that only Judeo-Christianity retains close to fully.

    Not very politically correct, I know, but that’s what it says.

    6) The most important reason: family is family. It is the block upon which our society is built. It is supposed to be the only place place where you can be with a bunch of males without wondering if they are staring at your tits.

    Totally agree with you!

    Now if only the Liberals would stop demolishing family brick by brick and turning it into an affair of two dads, or two moms, or known gay sex offenders adopting kids, or single unwed teen mother, or etc etc etc…

  10. Marcy Says:

    >>What basis do you have for this gut reaction?
    The basic is genetic, strenghtened by social training. It happens to animals too. the only exception is rarely found among children separated while very young. It is the same reason why many are afraid of spiders istinctively or certain smells feel good and other bad.
    Even in the case of a “safe couple”, like two male brothers separated at birth and without parents, their relationship would be problematic, since the role of lover and brother would overlap.
    Plus an eventual break up would destroy almost any chance of reconciliation- which is sad for a couple, but terrible for a family.
    So relationship should stay on brotherly terms for the sake of long term friendship and to have something that someone cannot find outside our family: relationships end, family is forever.

    >>Not an issue with adults. Something which I clarified distinctly in my referenced post.
    Because everyone starts having sex when they should right? Growing together would influence their future behaviour. Plus, even on workplace
    sexual relationships between colleagues are forbidden. Why? They are damaging to the cohesion of the work enviroment. In this case they would create a second family inside the family, bringing up jealousies and conflict.

    >>gay sex offenders adopting kids
    Would an eterosexual one do? You have to blame the poor quality of social services for horrors like this one. Plus, you should take your time to check your facts about child molesters: contrary to the popular belief, the huge mayority is composed from eterosexual males. What is true is that there is a higher percentage of gays among paedophiles than among normal people. Most of my collegues agree that this is due to the fact that sexual characters in prepubescent children are almost undefined. What the molester wants is not a boy or a girl, but a child.
    About the idea that every gay is attracted from 13 years old…
    I cannot peronally say if this is true or false, but in my experience most males are attracted from extremely young girls. I think that if a male was to be forced to live for one day in the body of a 13yo girl he would lock his daughter inside his house and let her out only when she’s 40. Most will either deny or repress this attraction, which is good, but some won’t (even without realizing it).
    Just ask ANY of your female friends. They will all have at least a couple of stories to tell. You might be tempted to say “well, they are imagining it”.
    Sadly, we aren’t. Most of the time I’ve had one of such experiences
    A) it was far too forward to be just an impression
    or
    B) I later heard voices about said person
    or
    3) I had a male friend telling me it was not just my impression after assisting to the “accident”.
    On the bright side, few things match the pleasure of kneeing on the testicles of a bus molester when you are 14.
    Good times.

  11. Marcy Says:

    >>if only the Liberals would stop demolishing family
    No offense, but for as much as you can blame the liberals
    the most religious part of USA seems eager to oblige: highest incidence of teen pregnancies and highers divorce rate.
    The concept of family is different from place to place: what I mean for family is having a group of people who have your complete trust.
    You could say, doesn’t a sex partner qualify?
    The answer is no. Even in marriages there is a kind of closeness you cannot heve. There is jealousy and possessivness.
    You don’t get to choose who your relatives are, yet you find yourself loving them even though your brain says you can’t stand them.
    Plus think, where does someone go when a relationship ends?
    From his mother. Talk about an awkward situation.

    I’m sorry for the willing deception bit. I got a little bit carried over.You should however point out for the future that there is a genetic reason to forbid incest… you never know who reads. Spoken from someone who has to deal with teens who justify every idiocy they do with “I read on the internet it is OK.”

    Good bye.

    I’m sorry for the willing deception bit. I got a little bit carried over.You should however point out for the future that there is a genetic reason to forbid incest… you never know who reads. Spoken from someone who has to deal with teens who justify every idiocy they do with “I read on the internet it is OK.”

    Good bye.

  12. Scott Thong Says:

    Is ok. I apologize too, much of my postage is geared towards evoking a strongly emotional response from readers.

  13. kolaida Says:

    Yeah, wow! I was shocked when I first found this out. Well, not really, since I’d been reading earlier on and suspected it. That gondola thing just confirmed. But that doesn’t mean I have to be happy about it!! I don’t like the idea!! Of course in the Standard universe, Wanda was in love with an android!! I was kinda hoping the Wanda/Nightcrawler. But, oh well. Though, I did read somewhere where someone pointed out they could’ve been encouraged in that way due to mutant supremacy and it kinda made sense. Still don’t like, though.

    Oh, yeah, I’m religious. One of the reasons I don’t agree with it. Also, like others said goes against societal norms, creates awkward situations, increases chances of giving birth to children with defects. In regard to the homosexual siblings relationships, I also disagree with that. I disagree with the homosexual aspect again back to religion and because I view it as unnatural, two people of the same gender can never reproduce naturally therefore they can never create a family naturally (that’s all done through donors/adoptions. I know the same can be said of some straight couples, but it boils down to not ALL straight couples cannot reproduce unlike homosexual couples). Also prior research had indicated some people experiencing a homosexual orientation might be due to a chemical imbalance in the brain, I have not researched it lately so can’t confirm it 100%. Today that would probably be considered politically incorrect regardless if it were true or not. So, despite homosexual siblings being incapable of having children with defects, I still view it as unnatural.

    I will not even address the bestiality. People experiencing that are the ones that need the most help.

    I have no idea if you wanted to hear all that, but what the hey. Ah, Wanda and Pietro. I used to think they were the coolest thing ever because they were Magneto’s kids, but on the good teams, and they were twins! Definitely faves from back in the day. So, I can’t say I’m thrilled about their relationship. But I still like to read the Ultimates. Haha :sweat:

  14. fengthoughts Says:

    i have a very weird feeling always arousing in my mind and my D***… i wanna f*** my hot aunts… help me guys…

  15. Sirkowski Says:

    The Bible says Lot was a good Christian. Ha!

    Also, Malaysian Neo-Con? That’s hilarious on so many levels, lol.

  16. andrew Says:

    Meh, the incest thing between these two characters started with Mark “Whoreswhoreswhores” Miller as a shock tactic, a pretty cheap on IMO. And Leob just decided to use it further for whatever reason, rest assure liberals are no different then any other group when it comes condemning incest. There are some people who like fictional incest, but find the real thing disgusting. Of course there are people all over the political spectrum who like the real thing, but they are sick quite frankly.

    And lol @ scans_daily being a ‘liberal’ forum. It’s a comics community, that’s the focus. Sure, a lot of its posters are liberal, but there are also a lot of conservatives and librarians as well. Its focus isn’t political at all.

  17. andrew Says:

    >>>verga:

    Many animals istinctively avoid mating with a close kin unless no other option is viable: lionesses chase away their sons when they become sexually mature and the same happens with horses.

    >>>

    I don’t know about lions, but that is not true in horses. In the wild colts are driven off by the herd stallion, not to prevent inbreeding because the colt is a competitor for the stallion’s herd. Fillies are not driven away and will breed with their father unless he is replaced or she is stolen by another stallion. Mares will also breed to their sons, especially in captivity (and I imagine in the wild if their son takes over their herd).

    There are also some animal species the reproduce solely by brother/sister inbreeding, but they have genetic mechanisms in place to prevent fatal defects. With these species outbreeding has many of the same risks we associate with inbreeding.

    Sexual reproduction is a wonderful, mysterious thing.

  18. Scott Thong Says:

    Yeah, but the comments sure are leaning towards the liberal side… Unless they’re all just miffed that I touched on the sacred X line of comics…

  19. Scott Thong Says:

    The Bible says Lot was a good Christian. Ha!

    Also, Malaysian Neo-Con? That’s hilarious on so many levels, lol. – Sirkowski

    Actually, it just lists him as an example of a person with faith. It never says he was perfect, does not condone certain things he did, and definitely did not claim he was a Christian. Ah!

    (For comparison, Samson is also listed – despite his constant womanizing and surly attitude towards his parents – because in the end, he put his faith in God. Same goes for the others listed – Gideon who built an idol after his victory, David who committed adultery and then killed the husband, even Abraham who twice lied in order to save his skin. In fact, as any Christian knows, the only sinless person was Jesus Christ. Every other prophet, patriarch and leader was a sinner.)

    I’m considered a Neo-Con because, social issues like abortion and homosexuality aside, the majority of Malaysians identify with American liberals on matters such as supporting Palestinian rocket launchers, Iraqi suicide bombers and Taliban head-choppers.

  20. billy Says:

    Wow.

    That someone used these comics panels for a conservative agenda, and to say that homosexuals, single parents and liberals responsible for the collapse of family? Laughable.

    I say let two dads or two moms, or whomever wants to have kids or adopt, let them do what they want. I had straight parents, and they certainly had no problem screwing me up all by themselves.

    Christianity, conservatism, homophobes, all seek to blame someone else for the fal of the family unit, well, sorry, it just happened. Our culture cannot support our outdated beliefs.

    As far as incest goes, who cares? Genetically, sure, they shouldn’t be having kids, okay, I agree with that. But two consenting adults should be able to do what ever they want with eachother, end of story.

    I mean that.

    If I’m a consenting adult, and me and another consenting adult want to have sex, smoke pot, hire a prostitute, and we don’t hurt anyone else, why is it anyone else’s business? Brother and sister, brother and brother, or sister and sister, who cares? Like I said, as long as there’s no offspring involved, what does it matter?

    Keep the government, laws, and just plain nosy other people out of your life, and keep out of other people’s lives too. Let there be a live and let live ideal be established.

    If it doesn’t affect you, why do you care?

  21. Scott Thong Says:

    Okay billy, so let me ask you: Is bestiality=wrong an outdated belief? Hot consenting doggie sex that doesn’t hurt anyone? Woof woof unnnnngh! ?

    Yeah, say it, I dares ya: “Hot gay stallion on man action should be totally accepted!”

  22. El-ahrairah Says:

    The difference is that a dog cannot give consent, and as such bestiality is inherently rape. Same with pedophillia since children are incapable of giving informed consent, along with the asimitry of power between an adult and a child prevents this from being a healthy relationship.

    If your not hurting anyone or forceing it on anyone, it’s fine with me.

  23. Scott Thong Says:

    What if the dog likes it, or initiates it, or is in fact sentient?

    e.g. Would it be acceptable for Krypto the Super Dog to ‘do’ Wonder Woman?

  24. Jesus Says:

    Man, say what you will about incest, but I think this pairing is beyond hot.

  25. JohnF Says:

    All right folks, Stop comparing human sexuality to animals. Human sexuality is a munch munch more complicated. Say what you want, but I never heard of a gorilla being sexually stimulated by a shoe, or a Lion with a foot fetish, I also never heard of an elephant breaking up with his girl friend because she wasn’t sexually adventurous enough. I also never heard a gay pride parade in the animal kingdom.

    Incest is illegal because of the risk of abuse and undesired pregnancy, It’s morally rejected. Last time I checked most people who have sex doesn’t necessarily want children, That’s why they use condom. So if the relation is desired by both and they use protection, why should we care so munch? It’s they’re business not ours. The freedom of one stops at the freedom of others… If what they are doing don’t affect me, why should I care???

  26. Milo Says:

    What comic is this from? I’ve never seen this before and the illustration looks great :)

  27. Scott Thong Says:

    The Ultimates, a reimagining of Marvel’s Avengers in our gritty modern times.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimates

  28. johan v. Says:

    you’re kinda dorky…

  29. Alex Says:

    UGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!

  30. espinada Says:

    Incest is biblical- who do you think Adam and Eve’s children married???
    Or Noah’s children’s children???

    Some people really don’t think do they?

    Most of the weird thinking that people have (especially so called “Christians”) comes from other sources than the bible…

  31. Scott Thong Says:

    Cain and Noah came before the OT laws against incest were codified under Moses.

    ‘Some people really don’t think do they?’

  32. Mr. Beezy Says:

    You’re such a douchebag. First you make a ridiculous statement, then you claim that people agree with it and then you yell at them for “agreeing” with it. You’re messed up in the head dude. The comic book doesn’t say it’s right. The chick is just telling Capt. to leave them alone. And just because people don’t agree with the idiot bible doesn’t mean they agree with bad stuff. Your dumbass book condones rape, incest, pedophilia, murder and slavery so shut the f*ck up.

  33. Scott Thong Says:

    You read through too fast in your haste to get to the comments box and bash me. Re-read my post again slowly.

    I’m not saying that atheists and liberals already accept incest, I am asking why don’t they accept it yet?
    I don’t see any reason not to outside some kooky fundamentalist religious bigotry.

    Whether ‘the chick’ is condoning it or not is besides the point – the comic is just a starting point to get my challenge across.

    SOOOO…. Do you believe in religion, and do you reject incest? Why?

  34. menj Says:

    I have to admit that this is an interesting angle to discredit atheism. I never thought of it this way.

  35. Scott Thong Says:

    I have to admit that this is an interesting angle to discredit atheism. I never thought of it this way – menj

    That’s the beauty of a three way fight, even as you have two opponents gouging at your eyes, you also have an enemy of your enemy to learn new tricks from.

    On that note, here are some posts you might find agreeable:

    The Circle of Life (and Sir Elton John) (one shot posters that speak volumes)

    Irreligious: Why is Animal Rape Wrong, But Animal Slavery-Imprisonment-Murder Okay? (refuting the argument that zoophilia is wrong because animals cannot consent to sex)

    Woman Has Baby With Her Grandson – Liberals, Is This Morally Wrong? (adult consensual incest with no chance of pregnancy – why do atheists consider it wrong?)

    If Homosexual Marriage is a Constitutional Right… (since it is between consenting adults and harms no one – not even the kids – then why isn’t polygamy permissible?

    Atheists are God (one must be omnipotent and omniscient to know for sure God is nowhere in existence)

  36. yurdaddy Says:

    Alright, enough of this . . . let’s have some fun! I’ve been looking for a place where I can share my list of related TV characters I’d like to see hook up with each other. Keep in mind we’re talking ’bout FICTIONAL characters, so Billy Ray and Miley wouldn’t count. (Not that I’d enjoy watching them do anything together anyway.)

    1. Jethro Bodine and Elly May Clampett – “The Beverly Hillbillies”

    I’m starting off with an obvious one. This pair of attractive-but-lunkheaded hillbilly cousins probably DID have relations there in the backwoods before moving out to Beverly. It’s not like they had a lot of options out there, and hey, why mess with tradition!

    2. George-Michael Bluth and Maeby Fünke – “Arrested Development”

    Another pair of cousins who actually WERE attracted to each other but apparently never consummated their forbidden love. Michael Cera was on the male side of this potential coupling, so I’m sure it would’ve been absolutely adorable if they’d ever gotten together.

    3. Chuck and Ellie Bartowski – “Chuck”

    A super-spy with a super-hot sister! If only she hadn’t married that super-awesome guy . . .

    4. Lorelei and Rory Gilmore – “Gilmore Girls”

    I love this show, and much of the appeal of it for me is the fact that this witty mother-and-daughter team are the perfect BFFs. Still, I wouldn’t have minded if they’d gotten even closer.

    5. Jack and Kim Bauer – “24”

    A father and daughter who are just as intense and dysfunctional as those Gilmore gals are frivolous and well-adjusted. Can you imagine how insanely passionate the sex would be if they ever decided to express their complicated love for each other . . . in bed?!

    6. Clark and Martha Kent – “Smallville”

    I think Ma Kent getting down with her super-powered adopted son would be cool just cause they’re such damn fine specimens of humanity. Oh, right, Clark’s not actually of this Earth. Well, SHE’S human, at least.

    7. Nathan Petrelli, Noah Bennet, and Claire Bennet – “Heroes”

    That cute cheerleader who needed saving has TWO dads, one biological and the other adoptive. That led to all kinds of confusing issues between them, so maybe a threesome would’ve sorted things out. (Or at least it would have in MY twisted world.) I think most fathers of extremely attractive girls are conflicted in that they want to protect their daughters’ virtue but also desire to be intimate with them in a not-so-virtuous way. With Claire’s ability to heal at a remarkable rate, Nathan and Noah could have had it both ways by doing the deed and then kicking back until she “mended,” which would’ve allowed them the freedom to pretend she’d never been touched at all!

    8. Buffy and Dawn Summers – “Buffy the Vampire Slayer”

    This is my all-time favorite show, so it was inevitable that the Summers sisters would pop up here somewhere. I wouldn’t have wanted to see an affair develop in the series cause it would’ve seemed so implausible, but I’m sure someone out there devoted some slash fiction to these two at some point. And quite honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Joss Whedon himself had contemplated such a union as well.

    9. Sam and Dean Winchester – “Supernatural”

    Thought I’d add some brotherly love just to cover the bases. I believe most straight women and gay men would agree that these guys would make a pretty hot couple.

    Well, that’s it! Any others you can think of?

  37. PhilosophyOfHumanity Says:

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    Being stupid, I had a deep respect for this person because of their ability to not act it out. Cue 18th birthday, which is when I turned of legal age in my country — cue dinner/movie night, cue them telling me that I ‘wanted’ it when I was younger, that they would be ‘helping’ me if we were to have sexual relations, and so on.

    I was f*cking mad. Mostly because I thought they would never act it out, secondly because they lied about my intentions as a child, but thirdly because I felt like I OWED them sexual intimacy because they had restrained themselves for so long. I felt like I was obligated to sleep with them. I felt sorry for them! I didn’t sleep with them, in the end. In fact, I refused to see them, despite family trying to force me to, and uprooted an incestuous back-story in our family as a result! Wonderful.

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