So there was this debate between Ahmad Shabery and Anwar Ibrahim over whose political party has the better approach to handling oil prices and profits. Shabery was literally foaming at the mouth with personal attacks on Anwar instead of making valid points about oil policy (though it’s probably due to lack of hydration).
Anyway, here’s some excerpts and commentary on the debate as told by The X Stories (full post at link):
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Anwar argued the government could save RM2 billion from reducing electricity reserves, adding an additional RM3 billion to finance the 50-sen reduction can be sourced elsewhere. “Five billion is enough to help lighten the burden on the rakyat. The Perwaja bailout was RM13 billion of government money.”
Correct, correct, correct …One man and one of his many ‘DEVELOPMENTs’ already cost us $13B, what is a pittance $5B for 25M Rakyat lah.
Ahmad Shabery argued that “if we continue at RM1.92, it means the government is forced to bear the subsidy of RM50 billion and this means many development programmes, building of schools, roads and improving people’s livelihood cannot be implemented.”
Disagree.
History suggests any savings ($50B in this case) will be wasted on nonsensical projects eg Perwaja and go into the pocket of the Pendatang’s Son (UMNOPutra) via many styles and formats eg. the infamous 10%!
Ahmad Shabery “the late Tun Razak (the then Prime Minister) set up Petronas in a pressured situation because the world outside pressured us not to take away the rights given to Shell at that time. Shell was set up by the British before they left,
“Bullsh*t lah.
Shell is NOT even British to begin with … It’s just how you Son of the Pendatang thought Songkok is Malay, they’re all Holland, Belanda, Ducth.
FYI, the Anglo, sorry, British one is called BP.
Anyway, what’s there to stop you from kicking Shell out when you have kicked out all other Bristish entities eg. Guthrie etc? Under pressure? Who can pressure Looters other than Pirates? Tiu, just say you need their expertise lah.or the ‘growth’ of the pocket of the Pendatang’s Son (UMNOPutra). That’s the holy truth lah .. Kanineh, I want my Fat Boy!
The information minister also explained that subsidies could not be sustained for a long time because it would hamper real economic growth.
Cock & Bull story lah. Just say any subsidies will affect the fat inflow into or the ‘growth’ of the pocket of the Pendatang’s Son (UMNOPutra). That’s the holy truth lah .. Kanineh, I want my Fat Boy!
Ahmad Shabery was asked about the RM4.3 billion savings from an earlier fuel price increase in 2006 that was meant to be used to improve public transport but only RM834 million was used for that purpose, leading people to be cynical about the purported RM13 billion in savings in the latest subsidy cut.
Oops! Smelly bum exposed?
“We’re an oil-producing country and for every US$1 increase per barrel, we make RM360 million. Why can’t we do something good with this?” Anwar thundered.
Aiyah, don’t be so direct lah. Anything made by Petronas belongs to the pocket of the Pendatang’s Son (UMNOPutra) lah. You forgot how Prof. M just grabbed $2-3B out of the Petronas piggy bank, kononnya to save aNational Crisis called Kumpulan Kapal M kah?
Ahmad Shabery argued that Malaysia was not even in the top 20 oil-producing countries list, let alone a major player.
What has not being the top 20 gotta to do with GASAK$$$? This must be a new Law of Nature, gotta spam Einstein an email.
“When Ahmad Shabery pointed out that Anwar too was responsible for problems pertaining to the IPPs which are still reaping profits despite the current economic situation as he was a Cabinet minister then, the former finance minister demanded a check of record to prove that he had opposed the IPP plans approved by former premier Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad.”
Ha, ha, ha … No comment cos’ it’s supposed to be Hilarious.
Towards the end of the debate, Ahmad Shabery repeated his argument that Anwar was still a rabble rouser and that during Anwar’s time in the government blah blah blah …
Supposed to talk about oil, he talked about Dildo instead. If you talk about nut, goo or soil at least got some relationship lah … And this Prof. Cheeky is the best the UMNO can produce? God bless Malaysia.
Looks like the Pendatng’s Sons are far from ready to engage in any proper debate. May I suggest you guys use ‘commenting’ system such as the one avail on my crappy blog to do it (with no restriction on time lapse) instead.
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Above mockery from Malaysian Politics Motivational Posters.
See also and this post about how someone made Malaysia’ economy 1/2 that of Singapore, Taiwan or South Korea, and this one about how money is still being used to water the gardens of one of the pet projects.
On a tip from wits0, Malaysians Unplugged Uncensored has a collection of viewer feedback.
Below are the Youtubes I’ve found so far of the debate. I haven’t vetted them yet, so at your own discretion…
Shabery-Anwar Debate:
Closing argument:
Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Tags: Ahmad Shabery, Anwar Ibrahim, Anwar Ibrahim Ahmad Shabery, Anwar Ibrahim Ahmad Shabery debate, Anwar Shabery debate, Malaysia oil debate



July 16, 08 at 1:03 pm
It was an overall good debate, the informationt that they unleashed to public sphere can be scrutinized this way to whip the respective parties into place. I think both did well, each with flaws in their respective presentations and arguments. Hope there’ll be more of this to come.
July 16, 08 at 1:54 pm
both did well?? which part did shaberri do well? foaming? instead of giving information, he’s like runnning for election against Anwar.
July 16, 08 at 6:23 pm
Shabery, seriously you are not civilized…. how can you debat about 1974 baling issues.. so childish.. unable to debat but organising it… sorry to say.. dumbs like you, are the MPs destroying the country.. u are same as your boss, walk and sleep..
July 16, 08 at 6:47 pm
congratulations to anwar ibrahim, he did well in the debate. And for shabery, instead of giving info, he was attacking anwar on personal. what a shame for him.
July 17, 08 at 3:24 am
“both did well?? which part did shaberri do well? foaming? instead of giving information, he’s like runnning for election against Anwar.”
i agreed with this..
which part shaberi did well?
and nordin kardi is stupid + useless…
July 18, 08 at 1:39 pm
shabery tunaikanlah janji kau untuk letak jawatan.suruhlah pak dollah cari pengganti..
July 21, 08 at 1:22 pm
Kalau ikut kesopanan Nordin Kadi:-
Seolah-olah Nordin Kadi seumpama seorang yang telah diluluskan oleh UMNO sebagai penal BN akan buat serangan peribadi seboleh-bolehnya kepada DSAI, untuk mendapatkan keseronokan di kalangan kawan-kawan dalam UMNO bahawa Nordin Kadi adalah anjing UMNO yang baik.
July 26, 08 at 12:46 am
Another discussion from economic “experts” in this blog. Find an economist or economic lecturer and ask them to explain the fundamentals. The bailout word again used like in a question to Hassan Merican in TV, you sure you wanna use that word and make a fool of yourself.
IPP – Is energy issue. Just like oil is energy.
Who are you to disagree got any hard facts? Dont just simply talk like you DSAI la.
July 26, 08 at 9:39 pm
Please explain yourself, Oneperson, instead of barking at everyone on this blog. Are you an expert? Show us a few “hard facts”. Show us that you are different.
July 30, 08 at 8:50 pm
Simon,
Woof woof to you.
Actually I am not an economist but an eco-friendly-miss. And I dont think you are and especially not DSAI. Just to tell you that you need to speak to some one who knows about the economy. Not cakap warong kopi. Fact of the matter he gave zero (0) ways to realistically cut down fuel prices. He was talking as if he is living on Saturn or another planet that does not have global economic crisis.
Grrr Grrr to you
Oneperson onlyyyyy
July 30, 08 at 10:46 pm
Sorry to disappoint you. I teach economics. Did you learn? Or dabble here and dabble there, made yourself think you know enough to advise others to speak to an economist? Eco-friendly-miss? Missed the main thrust of his arguments, did you? Btw, cats are better than any-oneperson-who-think-they-are-dogs. miaow.
July 31, 08 at 8:20 pm
Simon,
Woof woof. Gong Gong. Piss piss.
What is the thrust of his arguments? Can I know? Dumb Dumb Dumb.
“Kami akan turun kan harga minyak pasal saya ada satu ahli ekonomi terbaik di dunia, Encik Simon Kucing”.
Ok la ok la you win. You master of economics. You can reduce oil price just because you can control it with your mind,you must learn it in the Jedi Academy with Luk Skywalke. I am sorry. I did not learn how to decrease oil price just by repeating it again and again like Annie did. May the FORCE be with you. Darth Simon you need to use the force in you, close your eyes tight and CONCENTRAAATTTEEE. WOW I can feel it going down already. Opps maybe you can piss the petrol from your body into my car’s petrol tank. BTW whats up with your teeth and mouth looks sore?
July 31, 08 at 11:20 pm
Goodness, what a lot of woofs over nothing. I only asked you to show some “hard facts”..the kind you asked others for. Didn’t expect such a fierce and misdirected reaction. I didn’t say I was for one side or the other. Merely asked you to explain yourself.