Differences in Worldviews of Christianity vs Islam – As Supplied by menj


On a cue from memories stirred by an unrelated discussion, I went back to One Piece’s Neptune – A Kingly Sacrifice: Christian and Muslim Views and re-read through the comments.

The original post aimed to illustrate the difference in worldview, philosophy and theology that leads to vast differences between Christian vs Muslim ways of thinking… To the point where we might hardly even understand one another and reach completely different conclusions about the same thing!

Here are a few excerpts that I found to poignantly demonstrate that difference (bolded emphasis added in these excerpts):

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menj

The major difference is that in Islam, man is not born with sin and he is accountable for his own deeds and misdeeds. And God is totally at liberty to decide who goes to Paradise and who doesn’t. If God were to decide that every man and woman who ever worshipped Him go to Hell instead of Paradise, that will be perfectly within His Infinite Wisdom and no human being has the right to object, ever. God is not held out to ransom simply because some half-naked dude died at the cross and was erroneously perceived to be His “son”.

And that’s another difference between Islam and Christianity….God has no kids in Islam and that does not detract from His Majesty one single iota.

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Me

Similarly, if God were to decide that anyone who believes He has a Son Who died for our sins will go to heaven – and anyone who does not believe is destined for hell – that is also within His infinite wisdom. It works both ways.

So of course God is not ‘held out to ransom’ – it is He Who suggested the swap in the first place.

And that’s another difference between Islam and Christianity….God has no kids in Islam and that does not detract from His Majesty one single iota.

Whereas in Christianity, God does have a one-and-only Son and that does not detract from His majesty – instead, it adds to it. Which is similar to the conclusion of this post in the first place.

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menj

In the Muslim mind, were such a situation similar to King Neptune’s were to arise, there would be no need for God to “jump in front of an opponent to sacrifice” Himself. In fact, He doesn’t need to do a thing to Save his servants. All it takes is kun faya kun, “Be, and it is!”

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Me

You’ve proven my illustration accurate – Hodi finds it incredulous that a king would do such a thing, just as you as a Muslim find it laughable that God would need to use the Christ to save humanity.

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menj

I would argue that we do in a certain sense find it “laughable”, but not because God in Islam is what you are implying and certainly not because God would not “bring Himself down to the level of His servants”. Its not however, the way how the manga Hodi is characterised and its certainly not the way how you have characterised it.

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Me

Hodi says such-and-such an act does not befit a king.

You say such-and-such an act does not befit an Almighty God.

Close enough to me.

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menj

Stepped out of the shower and I just realised why I find it deeply objectionable to characterise God in this way: what the characters King Neptune and Hodi represent are very human reactions in a situation like this, i.e hero versus villian. God Almighty is far beyond such characterisations of such human behaviour. Even if you were to characterise the Islamic version of God as the protagonist King Neptune, it will still be objectionable because what one would expect of human behaviour is not applicable to God. In short, neither the characters King Neptune NOR the character Hodi accurately defines God in the Muslim mind, because you have limited God to only two choices. God Almighty can Save His servants beyond what is conceivable by the human mind.

In other words, the God of Christianity (according to you) is limited only by human behaviourial responses as perceived by you, as that god can only do one thing or the other. The God of Islam is not bound by the limits of the human mind or behaviour. All it takes is: “Kun faya kun”, Be and it is!

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Me

That also explains why I don’t see any problem with it. The JudeoChristian understanding of God is that He is relatable to mere humans.

That we have emotions is based on our being made in God’s image – God in the Bible has emotions including anger, sadness and compassion. (And yes, that we have parent/child relationships is also based on the Father/Son relationship in the Trinity.)

But a friendship with God is an unthinkable/outrageous concept to Islam I suppose. Values Dissonance.

because you have limited God to only two choices. God Almighty can Save His servants beyond what is conceivable by the human mind.

I think you misunderstand our position, and have reversed the cause and effect. We don’t argue ‘God must save us through Christ because this is the only way that makes sense by our human comprehension’. Honestly, it defies human understanding. Rather, the reason we believe that God saves us through Christ is simply because that is what the Bible states. We then try to make the most sense of it as possible.

So we are actually similar to you in that the God of Christianity is not bound by the limits of the human mind or behaviour. However, He has stated via the Bible the way He plans to get things done. And who are we to argue otherwise? If God wants to save us through Christ or through a divine lottery or through a thousand reincarnations – be and it is! it’s God’s pregorative.

In fact, the same argument can be turned around to point at Islam. Why doesn’t Allah just purify people and let them into heaven? Why bother with Islam or the Five Pillars or repentance or good deeds? After all, as you said, all it takes is: “Kun faya kun”, Be and it is!

The answer to that would likely be, because that is the way it is, simple as that. The same response I just gave you on why YHWH works salvation through the Christ. So we are in fact on the same level footing here.

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After that, no further replies appeared. In my memory I had thought that menj got fed up of trollish comments digging up his past, but looking back the thread just stopped.

It was an informative discussion nonetheless.


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