Posts Tagged ‘Islam’

Who Really Gives a Bad Name to Islam?

December 2, 09

I mean, seriously people…

Which of the below do you think really gives Islam a bad name and makes nonMuslims think it is a religion of violence, deathness and hatefestivities?

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Answer that, and then focus your debating/persuading (and bashing, insults and trolling) that ‘Islam = peace’ in that direction.

(Not that I don’t thoroughly enjoy smacking you trolls around.)

RPK has his answer:

I have said this before: the Muslims are Islam’s greatest enemy. It is the conduct of Muslims that is giving Islam a bad name.

See also related arguments.

Badawi Blames World’s Problems On Western Conquerers

January 16, 08

From The Star 16 Jan 08:

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Understanding religion could help West bridge ties with Muslim nations

 

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MADRID: The West and Muslim nations must find solutions to arrest the slide in relations between them, Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi said yesterday. 

Telling the West to understand that Islam is a religion respected for its cultural and religious diversity, Abdullah said the teachings of Islam could not be faulted for the discord between the Muslim world and the West. 

“The problems which continue to fester in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Golan Heights, Lebanon and Palestine are vestiges of the projections of power by the centres of world power. 

“The resulting humiliation being felt by Muslims is the main cause of their loss of trust and confidence towards the West. 

“But we have to acknowledge that finding solutions to these strategic issues have now become intertwined with the problem of managing cultural and civilisational diversity. The way forward for arresting the slide in relations is to resolve these two sets of problems in tandem because they are inter-dependent,” he added. 

Browsing copy: Abdullah, seated next to Belkhadem, browsing through his working papers at the First Alliance of Civilizations Forum in Madrid yesterday. — Bernama

Addressing world leaders and foreign ministers at the First Alliance of Civilisations (AoC) Forum here yesterday, Abdullah said Western governments should not feel uneasy that Muslims were seeking to live in accordance with the principles and values of the Quran and the example set by Prophet Muhammad. 

“They should acknowledge that there are civilisations today that continue to uphold religious values in the public sphere even if many Western governments and societies do not. 

“Accepting diversity demands an open and accommodative attitude towards religion, and specifically towards religions other than one’s own,” he added. 

The Prime Minister said a Muslim who was true to his religious teachings would not separate the principle of accountability from political governance simply because he wanted to perpetuate his power. 

“Neither will he subordinate justice to the creation of infinite wealth and defend it in the name of economic growth. 

“He will not abdicate the principle of fairness in managing ethnic relations even if it makes him somewhat unpopular within his own ethnic community. This is the approach adopted by the government in Malaysia and we call it Islam Hadhari.” 

The AoC was created in 2005 on the initiative of Spain and Turkey under the auspices of the United Nations. 

The two-day forum is the first major event of the alliance. It aims to tackle fear and suspicion, bridge gaps and overcome prejudices between Islam and the West. 

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Unlike his predecessor Mahathir who just blamed the Jews for the world’s failings… 

“The problems which continue to fester in Afghanistan, Iraq, the Golan Heights, Lebanon and Palestine are vestiges of the projections of power by the centres of world power. 

“The resulting humiliation being felt by Muslims is the main cause of their loss of trust and confidence towards the West. 

Badawi goes for one-upmanship and blames the entire Western hemisphere!

Oh, of course! It’s all the West’s fault for all its imperialistic conquering in… What, the past 100, 200 years? Or all the way back to the Crusades?

Nothing is to be said, of course, about the other projections of power by the centres of world power stretching back 1400+ years.

Like the slaughter of the Qurayza Jews after they had been convinced to surrender peacefully.

Or the Umayyad conquest of Spain for no valid reason.

Perhaps the Granada massacre of 1500 Jewish families?

The entire span of the Muslim conquests and forced conversion of Christian and Jewish lands in the Middle East, Africa and Europe?

All of which preceded the so-called ‘unprovoked aggression’ of the Crusades – which shockingly were restricted to reconquering territories that had formerly been Christian.

See full list at Christianity vs Islam – Who Started This Whole Mess?.

But of course those particular campaigns of murder, enslavement and plunder did not lead to festering problems. Not like the hateful Western colonial dictators causing all sorts of offended feelings in the modern era, nosiree!

After all, those silly Christians just love to forgive and forget after they’ve been summarily brutalized and by unprovoked invasions, don’t they?

And as for why Western governments might feel slightly uneasy about masses of people following certain historical examples…

Sites like Nonviolent-Jihad Watch and The Religion of Peace (Really)  and will educate you on how foolish, paranoid and delusional those decadent Western infidels are!

Don’t they know how ‘Accepting diversity demands an open and accommodative attitude towards religion, and specifically towards religions other than one’s own‘? If the West only understood religion, they could bridge ties with Muslim nations!

But they don’t! Haha, what morons they have over there in the unenlightened West!

DOWN WITH WESTERN IMPERIALIST B*STARDS!!!

BUT NOT WESTERN IMPERIALIST PORN!!! 

OR ZIONIST ISRAELI STRIPPERS!!!

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Meanwhile, in bridge-over-race-and-religion-land

From The Star 16 Jan 08:

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And in yesterday’s news on Malaysian RTM2, the world news coverage had the following stories that took up most of the slot:

USA and Iran naval spat. Raodside bomb in Pattani, Thailand. Car bomb in Baghdad, Iraq. Bomb attack in Karachi, Pakistan. Israel responds to Hamas rocket attacks, Palestine. Gunand suicide bomb attack in Kabul, Afghanistan.

Notice any trend there?

YOU SHOULDN’T, BECAUSE BADAWI SAYS THERE ISN’T!!! IF THERE IS, IT’S THE WEST’S FAULT AS USUAL!

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David Horowitz on Islamo-Fascism and the Threat It Poses to Muslims and Non-Muslims Alike

October 31, 07

A speech given by David Horowitz at the University of Wisconsin during Islamo-fascism Awareness Week. Go to the official website for more information.

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The poster above is the official poster advertising the event. The horror that it shows is explained in the full speech and the excerpts below.

An excellent speech IMHO, and recommended reading.

Now, before you go all ballistic and sic fatwas, suicide bombers and the ISA on me, know this: The following speech is about the threat that militant-totalitarian-extremist-violent-powermongering versions of Islam poses to everyone… Ordinary Muslims as well as non-Muslims and Westerners.

In fact, the term ‘Islamo-fascism’ itself was coined by moderate Muslims… Who were being slaughtered by Sharia-radical groups intent on imposing their definition of religion by force.

The speaker makes it clear throughout his speech that ‘Islamo-fascism’ is distinct and different from Islam, and is simply a term for absolute-power dictators who use Islam as their excuse/cover/justification for ruling over people’s lives with an iron fist.

These Islamofascists want to dictate what each of us can or cannot do according to their personal, narrow definition of Islam. Whether we are Muslim or not, does not matter – they will impose their way of life on us.

In the context of Malaysia, women will be forced out of the workplace, politics and government offices, banned from driving, forced to wear a full burqa and denied the right to tesitify, vote or even speak out.

All ‘sinful’ modern entertainment and literature will be banned. Television, radio and the internet will be heavily censored. Blogs will be shut down and Youtube blocked.

Are we modern and free peoples, Muslim or not, willing to give up all these rights and prileges we take for granted? Surrendering them at the end of a gun-barrel?

Not I. Lan astaslem.

Horowitz’s full speech details lots of ties between those most infamous of fascists, Hitler and the Nazis, and the roots of modern Islamo-fascism. He also points out the defining trait of anti-Semitism that runs through both types of fascists.

Horowitz also has plenty of scorn for liberals, who in his opinion are hastening along the advent of Islamo-fascist rule over everyone. And when that happens, liberalism will cease to exist (and liberals will cease to live).

It’s absurdly ironic that liberals are so supportive of Islamo-fascists – depsite the fact that Islamo-fascists are brutally against the very things liberals hold dearest, such as homosexual rights, sexual freedom, feminism, freedom of religion, atheism, free speech and free dress!

I included less of the above talking points in the excerpts. Read the full speech for more enlightening information.

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Excerpts from full speech at Front Page Magazine. You are highly encouraged to read the whole thing through the link.

This evening is not about prejudice against Muslims. On the contrary, this evening is on behalf of all those Muslims who are oppressed by Islamo-Fascism, which you would know if you read what we have said.

If you want to understand what this week is about, here is the poster we designed to announce our events. What it shows is a soccer field in Afghanistan.

The figure with the AK-47 is a Taliban soldier. And this poor woman, who is about to have her head blown off at point blank range by an AK-47 has been accused of sexual improprieties, which violate Islamic law.

As you may or may not know, in countries where Sharia, which is Islamic law, is imposed by the state, women cannot be witnesses. So this poor woman had no defense. Nor could other women testify in her behalf. Islamic law forbids it.

Every person in this photo is a Muslim. The victim is a Muslim.

I know that there are the people who feel that the Muslim community is under threat here. But think of the Muslim community in Algeria where between 150,000 and 200,000 moderate Muslims were slaughtered in the 1990s, by an organization calling itself Al Qaeda of the Islamic Maghreb.

Think about the Muslims in the Sudan who are being slaughtered by a Taliban-like regime, simply because they don’t subscribe to the regime’s version of Islam.

In Iran, just last week, the modesty police issued a new edict that couples can’t hold hands in public. If you want the definition of a totalitarian state, it’s a state that controls every aspect of a person’s life.

Religions, and particularly Islam, are concerned with many aspects of a person’s life. Religion is about morality, about the family, and about social relations. So when interpretations of religious law are enforce by the political state that’s the end of all freedom. It means one set of priests is going to have the power state behind their interpretation of what you can and cannot do.

The end result of that process is this poor woman in the photo who is about to have her head blown off by an AK-47 for violating a government edict about her sex life.

That’s really what we intended to do with this week, to make people aware of this problem. I have called it “Islamo-Fascism.” That is not a term designed to say that all Muslims or a majority of Muslims are fascists.

In fact a majority of Muslims are either victims of Islamo-Fascists or threatened by them. The FoxNews channel anchor and other misguided individuals think that the term “Islamo-Fascism” is hate speech. That’s the same thing as saying the term should be banned. In a democracy, at least in our democracy as it has been degraded by so-called liberals today, the way you ban ideas is by calling them “hate speech.”

But saying that Islamo-Fascism implicates all Muslims make no logical sense.

We use the term “Italian Fascism” without assuming that all Italians are fascists. Hitler did not even win a majority of the vote in Germany, yet we use the phrase “German Fascism” without implying that all people of German descent are fascists.

People like Alan Colmes will throw around the term “white racism” pretty casually. Everyone in this room has either used the phrase “white racism” or read it without objection. Do you mean to call every white person a racist when you use that term? That would make Alan Colmes a racist. Yet that’s precisely what the opponents of Islamo-Fascism week seem to be claiming.

The hateful attacks on this week are, in fact quite stupid, when you think about what they are claiming. If I intended to come on a college platform and say hateful things about all Muslims, I would be hooted off the stage. No campus organization would invite me to say such things and if I did say them I would never be invited by any campus organization again.

Since no one on a college campus is prepared to hear hate speech, why bother to protest it in advance. It’s self-discrediting. Yet we live in such Orwellian times that no one laughs when the left makes these preposterous claims.

So, on the one hand, the hate campaign against us is a very stupid campaign, although it is also malicious. On the other, it is quite sinister. When you are called a racist from one end of the country to another, when you are identified as somebody who is preaching hate against a religious or ethnic or racial group, someone is going to believe those charges. The effect, in other words, is to put a target on your back. Which is why there is so much security present tonight.

The term Islamo-Fascism is, in my view, a useful and justifiable term because of the merger of religion and state in the totalitarian ideology we’re facing.

It is also historically based. What we are facing is a global religious movement that is a movement within Islam. It is not to be confused with Islam itself.

The Islamo-Fascists want you to confuse them with the Muslim community as a whole. They want to hide behind the Muslim community. And they are inflicting great damage on the Muslim community by doing so. When Ahmadinejad speaks or when Zawahiri speaks, they speak in the name of the Muslim ummah, but they do not actually speak for the Muslim ummah. And that distinction has to be made.

What we are facing is a radical force within Islam that originated in Egypt in the 1920s, with the Muslim Brotherhood. Hassan al-Banna was the founder of this movement, which is a movement of political Islam to seize control of states and impose Sharia, Islamic law, on their populations.

The Muslim Brotherhood attempted to assassinate Nasser. It assassinated Anwar Sadat, and it would probably like to assassinate the present ruler of Egypt, Mubarak – all of them Muslims.

It is claimed by many that the only reason for the attacks on the United States are its policies towards Israel or because of the war in Iraq, or because of George Bush. Bush created the war on terror has become a mantra in some powerful circles of the Democratic Party around George Soros.

But there is no basis in fact for these claims. The first leader of the modern Islamo-Fascist movement and the leader of the first Islamo-Fascist state was the Ayatollah Khomeini. It was Khomeni who declared America the Great Satan, and who led crowds a million strong in chants of, “Death to America,” in 1979.

And it was Jimmy Carter – not George Bush — who was president when he did that. But Jimmy Carter was a supporter of the Ayatollah and an enemy of the Shah whom he overthrew. Carter accused the Shah of human rights violations and undermined his rule. Carter persuaded the Shah to release Khomeini’s cohorts from prison, and allow Khomeni to return to Iran. Jimmy Carter made possible the Islamic Revolution.

When people say that the United States and its policies are responsible for 9/11, they’re forgetting this history, Jimmy Carter’s support for the very Islamo-fascists who are now attacking us. In the past twenty-five years, far from being an imperialist oppressor of Muslims, as the Islamo-fascists and the American left would have you believe, the United States saved the lives of millions of Muslims.

When Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979, its armies conducted a scorched-earth policy, which means they killed everything in their way. They killed a million Muslims in Afghanistan, until the United States, by providing them with stinger missiles, by providing them with weapons, helped the Mujaheddin to defeat the Soviet Empire.

The United States went to war in Kosovo for Albanian Muslims, and saved them from extermination. The United States sent the Army Rangers into Somalia to feed starving Muslims in Somalia, and was attacked there by an Al Qaeda warlord. Al Qaeda and the Islamo-fascist movement have killed more Muslims than all the members of Bush’s “coalition of the willing” and all of Israel’s soldiers put together.

So it is completely absurd to hold Americans responsible for the hatred that is directed against us. It’s completely ridiculous. It is the opposite of the truth. The hatred against America is hatred of the fact that America is free and supports Muslims who don’t want to submit to the Islamo-fascists’ will.

The Middle East conflict is also misunderstood. The idea is floated about by Jimmy Carter and the Arab haters of Israel that Palestinian Arabs were deprived of their lands, that their lands were stolen, and Palestine is occupied by Israel.

The historical fact is that not only was the land on which Israel was created not part of any Palestinian entity, it wasn’t even controlled by the Arabs themselves.

The Middle East adjacent to the Jordan River and extending past the Euphrates was for 400 years controlled by the Ottoman Turks. The Turks, not the Arabs. The Ottoman Empire, which was founded in the 16th Century, came to an end when the Turks picked the wrong side in the First World War — the German side. When you lose a war, the victor gets the spoils. So the imperial powers of Britain and France got to divide up the Ottoman Empire.

Britain had promised the Jews the “Palestine Mandate” which they controlled. It was named “Palestine” by the Romans who drove the Jews out and gave the region the name of the enemies of the Jews, the Philistines, who were Greek sailors from the Aegean and not Arab at all. The Arab nomads did not settle in the region of Palestine until centuries later. The British promised this region of the Ottoman empire to the Jews for a national homeland. Jews had lived there for 3,000 years.

The Palestine Mandate was promised to the Jews, but in 1922, Winston Churchill gave 80% of the Mandate to Arabs from the Palestine region. That state is called Jordan.

Nearly 70% of the state of Jordan is made up of Palestinians, but they ruled by the Hashemite tribe. You never hear anybody from the Palestinian cause or from the American left, anybody from the ranks of those attacking this event and attacking the state Israel, and attacking the United States calling in the Left – you never hear anyone of them complaining about the oppression of Palestinians in Jordan. Or calling for their liberation. That is because all these attacks on Israel and the United States are motivated by hatred for Israel and the United States, not concern for the Palestinians.

To return to this history, 80% of the Palestine Mandate was given by the Imperial Powers to the Arabs of the Palestine region. The remaining 20% was divided evenly between the Jews living in the Palestine Mandate, and the Arabs living in the Palestine Mandate. The Jewish portion, just 10% of the entire Palestine Mandate and less than 1% of the Arab Midle East, was three little unconnected slivers, the largest of which — 60% of the total – was an arid desert. That was what the UN by an overwhelming majority vote in 1948.

In addition to Israel’s creation by the UN, the Imperial Powers created Jordan Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. All of these states were artificially created by the Imperial Powers out of the Turkish Empire. So the attacks on Israel for stealing Palestinian land are one big lie whose sole purpose is justify the Islamo-fascist campaign to destroy the Jewish nation.

In 1948, instead of accepting the partition of a tiny portion of the land they had been given, the Arab states – Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypty, Iraq, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel in a war which they proclaimed would “push the Jews into the sea.” It was a war of aggression – and they lost. The Arabs have continued that war for the last sixty years.

There were refugees from this war. There were 600,000 Arab refugees. And there were 600,000 Jewish refugees. The Jews fled Iraq, Iran, Morocco and other Arab lands in which they had lived for hundreds of years. In Iraq, the largest ethnic community in Baghdad, for hundreds of years, was the Jews, until the 1930s, when Iraq became a fascist country and massacred the Jews living there and drove the survivors out.

There are over 5 million Palestinian Arabs living in refugee camps today; there no Jews living in refugee camps. Why is that? Because the state of Israel, re-settled the Jewish refugees, gave them homes, gave them citizenship, and gave them jobs. But the Arab states deliberately kept the Palestinians in refugee camps, refused to allow them to become citizens of Jordan or Saudi Arabia or other Arab countries.

Billions of dollars have been poured into the Arab refugee problem by the United States and Israel and the UN. But all that money has done has been to maintain the refugee problem. There’s a reason for that. It is because the Arab states and the Palestinian leadership want poverty stricken Arabs as cannon fodder for their hateful war against the Jews. That’s what the Middle East conflict is about.

There are one million Arabs who live peacefully in Israel. These Arabs have more rights living in Israel than the Arabs in any Arab state. They vote. They are elected to Israel’s parliament. They have the rights of the only democratic state in the entire Arab world.

Khomeni’s goal was to establish an Islamic state under 7th century Islamic law. Khomeni killed twenty-five times as many Iranians –Muslims — in the first three years of his revolutionary rule than the despised Shah had killed in the 34 years of his.

The reason Khomeini hated the Shah is because the Shah allowed women to be educated in Iran for the first time in their history, and allowed them, if they so chose, to remove the veil. The Shah was a dictator, but he was a progressive dictator. And that’s why Khomeini and Islamic fundamentalists hated him, and overthrew him.

This is a warning to you progressives in the audience. This is my gift to you if you will take it. The Islamo-fascists whom you support will devour you in the end.

Before I finish, I want to say something about the Iraq War. Watching the left mobilize to oppose the war, I was reminded of the Iranian Revolution of 1979.

The constant complaint of the left at the time was that the United States supported dictators like the Shah because they were anti-communists. If they followed our foreign policy, we didn’t care what they did to people within their borders. That was the Left’s complaint and you heard it over and over and over again — the United States supports dictators.

So it was quite illuminating to me when George Bush set out to overthrow one of those dictators, one of the true monsters of the 20th Century, a man who had murdered 300,000 people. Who do you think he murdered? He murdered Muslims. He murdered mainly Shi’a Muslims. He dropped poison gas on the Kurds. He put Muslims into plastic shredders. His two sons went on a rape rampage, raping and killing Muslim girls.

And then Bush came along and overthrew him. And the left hates Bush for that! I watched all of my former comrades go out in the streets to try to save Saddam Hussein, this fascist dictator and mass murderer, from being overthrown.

Now, what is that about? It is about the left’s hatred for America which is greater than its hatred for oppressors like Saddam Hussein. The reason the Left is in a de facto alliance with the Islamo-Fascists is because the believes what the Islamo-fascists believe — that the United States is the Great Satan; and Israel, of course, is the Little Satan. It is their progressive duty to make the United States lose the War on Terror, so the Khomenis of the Middle East can liberate the Muslim world.

The Left has been on the wrong side of battle for freedom for almost 100 years.

I think the War in Iraq has been mismanaged, and so has the war at home. The President has failed to explain the war to the American people. But these mistakes don’t negate the fact that the overthrow of Saddam Hussein was a good deed.

Moreover, the United States cannot afford to lose this war. If we lose the War in Iraq, if we do what Nancy Pelosi or Cindy Sheehan want us to do, which is just to get out, what will happen in Iraq is exactly what happened in Vietnam when we did the same thing. After we left Vietnam to the mercy of the communists, 2.5 million people slaughtered.

Not only will Moqtadar al-Sadr and the Republican National Guard slaughter every Muslim — every Muslim in Iraq who wanted their freedom, who went to vote, who supported the coalition led by America — but Iraq will wind up in the hands of Ahmadinejad and Iran, and they will go after the other Arab regimes in the region whose Islamic ways are not pure enough.

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For some posts related to the points raised in Horowitz’s speech (and need I reiterate, ‘Islamo-fascism’ is distinct and different from Islam, and is simply a term for absolute-power dictators who use Islam as their excuse/cover/justification for ruling over people’s lives with an iron fist):

More Than 23,000 Terrorists Killed (how the Iraq situation is actually preventing Iraqi Muslims and other people worldwide from more terror attacks. For how this is being accomplished, see 72-year-old Iraqi Spots, Stops and Shoots Suicide Bomber and Bomblets Frag Terrorists, Spare Dog. For the motive, see Do Republicans Support The Troops Because the of Jesus and the Apostles?)

Iraqi Insurgents Used Kids As Cover Then Killed Them (what the Islamo-fascists believe constitute fair, humane and heroic tactics. See also cartoon from Cox and Forkum below)

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Photos of Brutally Murdered Victims of the Southern Thailand Pattani Insurgency (how Islamo-fascists go about ‘winning hearts and minds’ among the innocent local populace – including Muslims)

Iran Prez Ahmadinejad Sez: “There Are No Homosexuals in Iran” (And Why There Ain’t Any) (Iran gives us a taste of how liberals will immediately be treated if the Islamo-fascists they love-so-much ever come to power)

Nahoul the Terror Bee Teaches Animal, Uh… Kindness, Continue to Learn Holy War With Nahoul the Bee and Hi Kids! Let’s Learn Holy War With Farfur the Mouse! (what the Islamo-fascists find more important to teach young children than maths and science)

Narrow Sighted and Single Minded Criminalizing of War (our very own Dr. Mahathir only denounces Israel and not other flagrant human rigths violations)

What Did the Vietnam War Ever Accomplish? (some info about what happened when the Americans stopped selflessly sacrificing themselves for us ungrateful South-East Asians)

And posts about the liberal lies and propaganda which serve to undermine truth in the name of advancing (among other things) Islamo-fascism:

Malaysiakini: Are US News Agencies Biased Against Palestine?

Mainstream Media Dishonesty – 101 Liberal Media Lies

Media Mythbusters Wiki

All Your Fakes Are Belong to Us

Flat Fatima will Make Your News Stories Become The Truth!

Al Gore: High Commander of War & Peace Hypocrisy

Will the Real Hillary Clinton Please Stand Up?

Pro General Petraeus, Anti Betray Us Editorial Cartoons

And as we began with a horrifying picture of a Muslim woman about to be ruthlessly murdered by Islamo-fascists, we shall end with another such picture:

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Got to here for the full 4.62 mb PDF file or to this link for the video presentation.


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