City of Criminals: Johor Bahru


You’ve often heard me complain, warn and mourn over the frighteningly high incidence of violent crimes in Johor Bahru. Today, I’ll elaborate a bit using examples.

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November 25, 2006: A hotelier’s son was gunned down in his car. The victim and a lady friend were at a traffic light near his house in Jalan Kuning (a short walk from where I work).

A car pulled up behind, two men rushed them with a pistol, opened the door and tried to force him out. The lady friend accelerated and the gunman opened fire, hitting him. He was dead shortly after. The Star news story.

I also recall around the same time as the shooting case above, a cop was intentionally rammed by a car while he was checking on another car.

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New Year’s Day 2007: Four guys (perhaps drunk) threw rocks at cops and Federal Reserve Unit men at Danga Bay. They were apparently upset over something or other. The police also issued 379 summonses for various traffic offenses that night.

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4 January, 2007: Just last night around 4.30am, a Singaporean businessman got slashed to death in front of his house at Taman Permas Jaya. He and his girlfriend had run off in different directions to try and escape. Just another day (night) in the life (death) of Johor Bahru-ians.

UPDATE 5 January: Ooo, it seems the victim himself was actually a hardcore criminal wanted for theft and murder in Singapore! This may seem like poetic justice, but it actually makes things worse – Killer criminals run from Singapore and hide in JB and no one in charge knows, until hitmen kill him???!!!

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Now, this is not to say that Johor Bahru has worse violent crimes than the rest of Malaysia, or that only Johor Bahru has such crimes. These days, nowhere is safe – not even quiest little Ipoh town. But Johor Bahru seems to have a far higher and regular occurence of violent crimes.

Lee Kuan Yew, ever Malaya’s biggest fan, described Johor as “notorious for shootings, muggings and carjackings,” as readable in Asiaweek. He got blasted for that statement of course, and quickly apologized.

But actually living in said Johor, I unfortunately have to agree with the accusation. I guess it’s okay for us to complain about our own society, but when outsiders do it, it’s libel. Following are some of my closer-to-self tales…

A co-worker had her car stolen from the Giant parking lot, in midday. An acquiantance of my current landlady was robbed at knifepoint as he was opening his front gate. My previous landlady’s house had been broken into twice (thankfully while she was not home), one time after the robber lethally poisoned her dog.

I even actually KNOW someone who got raped, not long after moving to Johor Bahru. It’s different, much more a real threat, when the victim isn’t an acquaintance of a friends’ relative’s rumour.

Thus I highly, HIGHLY encouraged all girls who come to work in Johor Bahru to stay in apartments with security guards rather than rented houses in residential areas, and avoid going out at night or alone, even in the car. And always lock all doors and windows. And old post with stay safe tips readable here.

It’s somewhat of an irony then, that the person in charge of our entire nation’s law and order Tan Sri Musa Hassan used to be Johor’s chief of police in 2003. To be fair, one year in the post is not anywhere near enough time to clean up decades of degeneration. The Star on this topic.

What is the root cause of all of this crime? The Star reported on 16 October 2006 that 30% of the crimes committed in Johor were by Indians, report here. Although proportionally that means a higher percentage of the Indian population are committing crimes, do note that the other 70% of the crimes are by Chinese, Malays, immigrants and whatnot.

Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t pin the blame on anyone in particular, and these are stats for all crimes – not just the serious cases that get us freaked out. How many crimes, by the way? 23,890 in Johor up to August 2006 alone.

Some think that the influx of immigrants, such as from nearby Indonesia, is to blame. A standard response from governments whenever social ills are on the rise. An excerpt from an NECF report on Johor:

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In March 2006, at the Dewan Rakyat, the state capital was labelled as “sin city” and “crime city” by a Johor MP. It is believed that the security aspect in Johor Bahu has reached a worrying trend. The Singapore media has highlighted the issue with reports depicting Johor Baru as unsafe for tourists. In April, the state government sought an urgent meeting with Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Bakri Omar to address crime.

The eastern coast between Kota Tinggi, Penggerang and Mersing is one of the major entry points for illegal Indonesian migrants. Many of them have contributed to social problems in the communities.

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I think that several other factors play a part too. The flow of Singaporean dollars into Johor, particularly Johor Bahru, means accumulated wealth for our traders and businesses. But this also brings a burden all locals have to bear, as profit-mongering causes them to raise the prices so they can earn more.

Thus some financial pressure is formed on the poorer locals, along with envy and discontent with those who are raking in the converted Sing dollars. A little anarchist-socialist-communist redistribution of wealth is thus required.

I don’t see why Johor Bahru-ians have to raise prices just because Singaporeans are willing to spend, other than greed and wanting to screw over the comparatively rich islanders.

The land itself has a part to play. Johor is a wide, sprawling state and Johor Bahru a wide, sprawling city. There are lots of factories and other labour-intensive industries surrounding the Johor Bahru area. Meaning, lots of people living in poor conditions and oft neglected by the rest of the community.

People also pass through the city all the time on their way to and from Singapore. This translates to a lot of extra people who easily disappear into the crowd and are hard to trace.

Finally, the local police force may be trying their best. But they are understaffed, as reported here. Yet at the same time, there is never a shortage of cops doing the rounds, checking for overdue parking tickets.

In my opinion, we would all be really, doubly, trebley, tetris-ly grateful if they were all diverted to crime prevention, at least until more cops are recruited and trained.

So how DO we solve this very real and pressing problem? For one, we could get ordinary people to behave better. Normal folk flout the rules all the time in JB. Is it any wonder harder-cored criminals have even less respect for justice?

Perhaps, if we had strict strict STRICT laws like those in neighbouring Singapore, things would improve. There is no excuse for infringing on the rights of others – crime must be punished.

Although deep inside, the criminals will still be criminals, at least they would only act out their unlawful tendencies somewhere ELSE or not at all. As I say here.

To wit, the Customs coming into Johor Bahru from Singapore are quite lax. Sometimes they don’t check your passport at all. I explain it this way: If you are coming from Singapore, then you must have previously been cleared by their tough Singapore customs. So there’s no way you could be an illegal, or bringing contrabrand into Malaysia. So there’s no real need to check. I agree with the logic, if not the image this portrays.

I’d also raise the police personnel salary if I were in charge too, to show them that their job is a valued and appreciated one. I mean, who wants to be a law enforcer when they can hardly feed their familie, work long hours on a dangerous job, and are seldom appreciated and often lambasted? That’s gotta suck.

Finally, I believe that man can only do so much to help man. Tough laws may keep people’s behaviour in check, but they do nothing to remedy their hearts.

What is really needed is a transformation from within, a dying to the old and evil self, and a new birth as a person who loves other more than themself… And who loves God and His laws more than either.


52 Responses to “City of Criminals: Johor Bahru”

  1. Anne Says:

    Dear, wasn’t it the permas guy who’s the hardcore criminal? Not the jln kuning guy.

  2. Scott Thong Says:

    Oops, sorry! Wrote in the wrong part so it made me say the ’shot-in-his-car’ guy was a hardcore criminal. Actually was the ’slashed-in-front-of-his-hosue’ guy. I’ve rearranged the text. Thanks, love!

  3. Jerm Says:

    I am acquainted with Malaysia only largely through the media. Its interesting to hear it from a local’s point of view. Well done.

  4. Randy Says:

    hey scott.

    i live in Toronto, Ontario, Canada and was looking for a job out in JB or KL. I can teach English but i really want to stay in my field without a break… Iwork for a Media firm here in Toronto. There is a company named MediaBanc in your part of the world. I applied there and the job was in JB. Is it really that bad? 😦

  5. Scott Thong Says:

    Not so bad as it might sound on screen, Randy. Sure, us citizen bloggers get really peeved about the scary news reports we read. But I’ve been working here a year now, and I haven’t had any run-ins with crime yet. (Someone I know got raped within a month of working here however, as I said. Pastor’s house got looted while they were out.)

    But Malaysia on the whole is much safer than many other locations. We don’t have civil war or drug lords, you can’t buy firearms without a strict license, there are no street gangs running around, and kids don’t get shot dead in school. We aren’t Dallas or L.A., after all! 🙂

    Don’t go around late at night, always lock your car and house doors, put a visible steering lock on your car, and stay in an apartment area with guard service… That should avoid trouble.

    That said, JB is a pretty modern city. Tons of shopping centres to cater to Singaporean dollars. Just don’t compare the public transport, roads or government service with Singapore next door. That’s just asking for it.

    KL is the capital of Malaysia, and has tons of night spots and hip hang-outs. And tons of traffic jams too, but what the hey. KL and JB have the highest prices in Malaysia: e.g. RM2.50 for char kuey teow in Penang, RM3.50 for about the same in KL or JB.

    But well, it IS visit Malaysia Year 2007. Drop on by on a cheap Air Asia flight and spend a quick holiday if you want to experience JB firsthand. 1 Canadian Dollar is worth about 3 Malaysian Ringgit right now.

    And do browse around the other Malaysiana and me & My Blog posts I have for a wider view on what it’s like here. But remember that bloggers only write about things which interest, concern or annoy them!

    PS. It is hot and humid in Malaysia outside the air-conditioned offices! Rains a lot too.

  6. kean loong Says:

    as long as you don’t incite any racial remarks you’ll generally be doing fine. Moreover we (generally speaking) still have imperiallist mindset, meaning foreigners, especially from western countries, will be held in pretty good standings compared to Malaysian. But be prepared to be rip off at some places like markets, food stalls or discos! Welcome to Malaysia!

  7. kean loong Says:

    oh btw randy, coming from a communications background, I must say that media in Malaysia are mostly, if not all, government linked and controlled. The views tend to be skewed towards the incumbent government and total blackout of hot issues can be expected. And the government have the “twin terror” of Printing Presses Act and ISA to contain any daredevil journalists!

  8. Ed Says:

    I was understood by one of the Maybank Branch near JB that:-

    1. We are not allow to have more than one account with Maybank.
    2. You must take two days in advance in fixing an appointment with the respective branch to open an account

    This is rather interesting to get to know all these sort of policies. Can anyone please share with me if come accross any similar experience?

  9. Scott Thong Says:

    Eh, really? When I first opened my account with Maybank in Penang a few years ago, I just popped into the bank during my lunch hour, signed up, and collected my ATM card (on the spot or a just a few hours/days later, I forget which, but it was quick).

    You need to bring your MyKad though, remember. And the minimum cash to start an account.

  10. Equator Says:

    It was frustating when I approached the receptionist, as a foreigner they won’t allow us to open any account without any supporting document.

    I came home and go through their policies in the internet. I found something very interesting, actually I should have requested to make an appoinment with the manager if I didn’t have any supporting document.

    The receptionist won’t tell you all these, maybe they are not trained, they are told to do so, or….they just can’t be bothered.

    After much homework. I called the manager, set an appointment and bang! All done within 30 minutes.

    So if any of you foreigner who are in need to open an account with the bank in Malaysia please do your homework. Don’t bush around with the receptionist or anyone else – call the manager and be nice. That’s it!

    I’ve been living in Johor bahru for 3 years:
    http://belacangroup.blogspot.com/index.html

  11. KakiAyam Says:

    Hi Scott,

    Would like to inform you that I have link you in one of my post on JB crime. Hope that’s alright with you.

    By the way, I am a Johorean but working in KL, my parents are still in Johor Jaya though…

    Thanks and God bless.

    Rgds,
    chicken feet

  12. Fight Back Says:

    Its time to defend ourselves…Equip your house and your car with weapons that will protect youself in case you need to. I am getting an electric gun soon once its available in the market. For the next general election to come, get rid of the people who cannot perform.

  13. Michael Says:

    Hi Scot…is SunWay Uni Col a good place to study in JB? Pls advise me…….thankS!

  14. Scott Thong Says:

    Eh… Not so sure about that. Can anyone with personal experience lend a hand?

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  17. Ambelene Freemantle Says:

    It sounds as though you are describing South Africa, I wonder if it could be any worse in JB?

    My home has an electric fence around it, we have been burgled numerous times, taxi drivers have regular shoot outs, almost as if they were cowboys in the wild west. People are murdered, assaulted and raped a dozen a day.

  18. Scott Thong Says:

    Ambelene, unfortunately South Africa is still much worse than Johor Bahru. At least now we have extra cops with submachine guns.

    https://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/submachine-gun-cops-to-do-rounds/

    Even war-torn Iraq just last year had fewer violent deaths than South Africa!

    http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=248359&area=/breaking_news/breaking_news__national/

    “The murder rate in South Africa, at about 43 murders per 100 000 people, is roughly the same as the death rate from terror attacks on civilians in Iraq.”

    See also the chart:

    http://engram-backtalk.blogspot.com/2007/10/violence-in-iraq-in-perspective.html

  19. suzanne Says:

    Hey! I’m singaporean and am thinking of moving up to JB, Larkin. Honestly, every one tells me its so bad in JB but i figure coming from super strict Singapore any place is “scary”.

    Still its getting so expensive in Singapore that I think it’ll be better for me to stay in JB and commute. What do you think?

    The reason why I’m asking is… last week when I went up to check out a few places to rent, the agents still kinda dodgy. Don’t all agents give out that vibe, you’ll say BUT this dude who when he knew I was interested in a particular flat told me I could give the deposit 2+1+500RM (utilities) to him as the landlord lives in KL.

    Dodgy or waht!!!

    I insisted all monies have to be bank wired and later today I’m heading up there with a toughguy friend to work things out… aaarrrrgggghhhhh.

    Help me please, am I being fleeced! What are the renting procedures like in JB>

    I found out about the flat through iproperty and propertynet. Are these sites credible?

    Totally clueless but more tired of living in an expensive city….suzanne

  20. Scott Thong Says:

    suzanne, if you want some contacts for trustable JB land agents who can get you a decent room/house to rent, e-mail me personally. I just found one through them, nice place and not too ex.

    JB is much safer ever since they put the submachine gun cops everywhere:

    https://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/submachine-gun-cops-to-do-rounds/

    But the jam on the causeway is insane! Even more insane now that Mas Selamat is loose and they’re checking every car. My friends who work in SIng but live in JB have to get up and go in before dawn to reach office by 9am.

    And it’s a sumo pushing match if you take the buses… The KTM trains are less crowded.

  21. suzanne Says:

    Hey Scott!

    alirightie I’ll email over but my meeting is today and I kinda like this place he showed me in Larkin AND my current lease wraps on the 15th…. arrrrgghhhhh my days are numbered!

    Any tips on how to verify that he’s a certified agent and not some dude trying to scam the clueless!

    My greatest fear is that the apartment is bogus and after I’ve wired all my monies off, risk a mental meltdown dealing with customs, bring my cat over… the place is not mine and I have to move again… aarrrgghhhhhh!

    And no worries about the commute I can get into the office past 10 so I’d miss out on the fun and games. Hahahahha!

  22. Scott Thong Says:

    Only give him the money when he gives you the contract to sign and the house keys (that you try out and they work fine). There are plenty other places and plenty other agents who would love your business. The power is in your hands!

  23. suzanne Says:

    Just told my colleague from oz about those submachine gun cops…… far out! JB here we come….

  24. simon thong Says:

    Watch out for stray bullets, suzanne! Bullets can’t tell the good gals from the bad guys…..cops in Singapore (a FINE city, haha) don’t have to carry submachine guns. Nobody to shoot at, you see. Lots of targets in JB..

    By the way, I’ve started calling the school where I teach “a fine school”..rm1 fine for not having the appropriate belt, rm1 fine for leaving bowl on canteen table, rm1 for swearing, rm1 fine for speaking Cantonese, RM2 FINE FOR SWEARING IN CANTONESE, etc…

  25. Adi Malek Says:

    Cops with machine guns ? I have not seen that yet in JB. ( I saw Singaporean cops with M-16 at the immigration check point in Woodlands though). may be they are on the look up for malaysian criminals on the loose trying to slip to Singapore …hahaha.

  26. Adi Malek Says:

    I have not experience these violent crimes myself but just like everybody that lives in JB, knows somebody that are victims.

    I still remember residents in Johor Jaya that demonstrated in protest of violent crimes that were happening around their area. When I read that, I didnt know whether to laugh or cry. I have read or not come across people demonstrating against crime anywhere in the world yet. But then, it happened in JB, a ciry where I live. Hmmmm….

  27. Scott Thong Says:

    Travel the roads late at night, you’ll eventually see a police road check where at least one is holding a H&K MP5 submachine gun.

  28. dovewings Says:

    i suggest everybody learn martial art, then the problem can be solve. everybody if agree please response to dovewings

  29. dovewings Says:

    i stay in JB for so long , i learn so many tactics to avoid the troubles like the criminal case happen on me, just because singaporean lives in a safety and security places , where they don have kinda awareness to prevent people attack them, so when come to JB like a sheep go in a bi big forest whereby inside the forest consists of so many dangerous and yet the singaporean don know, they must alert of this things happen, don purposely dress up like richer guy or business guy, this is something must to avoid and learn to take precaution in JB area, agree with dovewings please give response.

  30. dovewings Says:

    everybody think too much and too far, what bullets guns ets.. come on,

  31. Scott Thong Says:

    I know the tactics too, always careful when outdoors, but it didn’t protect me inside the house…

    I have black belt in martial arts, but was no use when confronted with two long knives that wake you up in the middle of the night.

    Scott Got Robbed in JB

  32. simon thong Says:

    You don’t have to be Singaporean to get robbed in JB.

  33. simon thong Says:

    In today’s STAR, it was reported that Lim Kit Siang accused the IGP and Deputy IGP of trying to gloss over the worsening crime index by claiming that it was purely a problem of misconception.

    The IGP and Deputy IGP had said that the crime index was worse in Hong Kong, Japan and Australia than in Malaysia. Malaysia had 772 crimes per 100,000 residents; HK had 1,166, Japan had 1,569, and Australia had 4,470.

    Lim said the statistics were misleading. Malaysia had 90.49 cases of robbery per 100,000; Japan had 4.78 cases; and HK had 17.56 cases. As for homicides, Malaysia had 2.12 per 100,000 but Japan had 1.09; and HK had 0.26 cases. Rape? Malaysia 11.47; Japan 1.62; and HK 1.54.

    Reminds me of my early lessons in Philo 101, on how to lie with statistics.

  34. Jayson C. Says:

    Hello, I am a regular traveller to JB. I find that what PPL mentioned about
    crimes and mugs etc etc is frightenning. Well SG also faces it.
    Best thing to do is not to offend anyone and lastly dont flaunt your riches
    in front of the poor and desperate.
    With the recent JB Ninjas deployed . crime has been minimised.
    Just give it some time for the Gov. to deploy more soon.
    JB can be an even better and safer in the near future.

  35. Scott Thong Says:

    Agreed, the submachinegun ninjas have proven their worth.

  36. Simon Thong Says:

    Sorry to burst your balloon of hope, guys. JB will be JB. Cops will always be trying to catch up with criminals. One gang will commit several crimes before the police notice the pattern, and by the time the gang is caught, thrice the number of crimes will have been committed. The cops are always several months or years before criminals.

    Keep your guard up, never relax in the City of Criminals.

  37. Jayson C. Says:

    Hi, am back to chat.
    Posters and warnings should be postered in public places as well as
    remote areas. This should alert the victim in advance to be exttra careful.
    Warning poster , Fines and jail sentence must be imposed to the offender.
    Dont know if this help reduce crime.
    Johor is a nice place for business, pleasure and shopping .With the upgrading projects in all sectors is really Malaysia Boleh.
    Ha Ha , BBS.

  38. Roger Says:

    SimonThong,
    You mentioned that you were woken up in the middle of the night. How did they managed to get into your house? I am thinking of moving to JB to live and what you said is frightening.
    If I install a metal bar that can be padlocked across all the entry doors will that stop them from entering the house in the middle of the night?

  39. Scott Thong Says:

    It was me.

    They basically used a crowbar or some other tool to wrench the metal bar door completely off its hinges. The door was left hanging by one hinge. Sure it’s metal, but the weak point was the hinge.

    I’d suggest living in a guarded apartment block – much harder to be robbed in your house. If landed property, look for one with a neighborhood guards service. A wooden door which opens inwards, with metal bar on the inside as you mentioned, should be quite effective. Alarm systems might not be a deterrent since they can rob and run long before cops arrive. Dogs will get poisoned the night of the crime as a matter of fact.

    See also all my posts on this topic (click here and start reading ) for other ways JB crimnals attack, and watch out so you can keep safe.

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  41. Roger Says:

    Thanks Scott for your reply. My goodness, even a metal door can also be prised off, what more a wooden door? But shouldn’t the hinges be on the inside? If it is on the inside then it will not be possible to prise it off? The other possibility I can think off is entry through the roof, that is why I am looking for a house with a roof top terrace, this way there is no roof to take the tiles off.
    I am looking at Masai, Rinting Heights, theres alot of bungalows there. Do you know whether that area is safe?
    Thanks once again.

  42. Scott Thong Says:

    Well what it looked like to me was the door had been wrenched outwards so hard, the hinges buckled… Imagine the Hulk pulling a grill door with his bare hands, kind of like that.

    Everywhere can be hit by hard crime, including the upscale Nusajaya area (including this scary hit job). Nusajaya has plenty of bungalows and home to various top executives, supposedly with guard posts, but it’s full of wide open land and is isolated.

    Correct on the roof offering little defense, and even apartments aren’t perfect. See this comment for details, which also has a link on another upper class community getting hit: https://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/01/22/scott-got-robbed-in-jb/#comment-4196

    But I maintain that in a guarded apartment complex, the chances of YOUR place getting robbed is reduced due to the sheer number of potential targets for the robbers.

  43. Roger Says:

    Since it is so scary in JB, have you thought of coming over and work and stay in Singapore. Singapore is opening up wide for foreigners. In fact, it is an open secret that employers here prefer to hire foreigners. You can then sleep peacefully at night, knowing that the police is very efficient and just. Even unguarded houses in Singapore is very safe. I am sure there are plenty of jobs in Singapore for you and the thousands who work and live in fear in JB.

  44. Dave Says:

    Hi Scott, Thanks for your informative post. I’m a Singaporean and thought of going to Johor Bahru, and heard good comments about Johor Bahru City Square. I would like to get some advice from you on: is it safe to go Johor for shopping and makan as I heard number of mugging and violent crime towards Singaporean, is it true? And is it dangerous to go JB city square toilet/ public toilet? Or what advice would you give for Singaporean tourist to shop/makan in JB safely? Thanks alot.

  45. Scott Thong Says:

    Haha, yeah I worked in Singapore awhile. The thing is, me and many others made the daily commute across the Causeway because rental is so much cheaper in JB (even if the exchange rate is not accounted for).

    Now I live and work far from the area.

  46. Scott Thong Says:

    Hey Dave.

    JB is somewhat safer than at the peak of its crime problems. However, you still have to watch out for yourself.

    Basically, use the usual anti-crime safety tips for any big city – but ramp them up a few notches.

    Go about during bright daylight hours (but even then, watch out for very public snatch thieves). Stay in busy areas. Use public toilets in only busy places (JB City Square is ok), never lonely gas stations at night! Stay alert, don’t display jewelery or handbags or laptops etc.

    For night stays, choose a reputable hotel or bunk with a friend who stays in a guarded community or apartment complex, and don’t wander out once the sun starts setting.

    Okay, I’m making it sound scary, but in reality JB citizens go about their lives every day and night. I used to drive around way past sunset. JB is much more crime prone than Singapore, but it’s really not so terrible.

  47. loh Says:

    can anyone here recommend a room in a safe apartment in jb near crescendo international college johor bahru?

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  49. Sally Says:

    i agree totally as Jb being a sin city because being a resident there my whole life i’ve seen what this state is capable of doing to its residents.However, living there for a long time has made me become very aware of my surroundings at all time because thats how we all live in JB.Its like if you turn the wrong way even just for a split second you could either lose something or end up dead.But i’ll still say that its home to me.Even after moving out of JB i still wanted to go back because it gives me a feeling of home and without it how would i ever have learned to watch my back.

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