The Locked Tomb Mystery – Whodunit?


Good evening to those of you just joining us here on the Burning Hot Radio Show. Today we have an unusual crime that has so far stumped everyone who has tried to wrap their minds around the puzzle. It’s a real brain-teaser of the most tantalizing kind. We’ll get to that in a while.

We have a special guest on our show today. Monsieur Hairkill Parot, the famous French detective, has been called in to solve this inexplicable mystery. The local investigators are utterly counfounded and hopelessly stumped, and it is up to Mr. Parot to discern the truth behind the puzzle.

Now I shall describe the crime scene. A tomb in the backwater territory of Judea has been disturbed, and the body that was interred within removed. The body in question is none other than that of the controversial religious figure who was executed just three days ago (by local reckoning), Jesus who was also called the Christ or Messiah.

There are mysterious circumstances surrounding this case, not least of all to do with the safeguards installed to prevent just such a thing happening.

First, a large boulder had been placed at the entrance of the tomb. Second, a crack squad of guards had been assigned to guard the immediate area.

And yet, on the morning of that Sunday, the boulder was found to have been moved aside and the dead body missing. The guards who were supposed to be on duty are nowhere to be found. But there is no sign of a struggle in the area of the crime scene.

In place of the dead body were found burial wrappings, placed neatly in a pile. That in itself is a strange piece of evidence, as it means  that whoever did the deed took the time to remove the wrappings from the dead body before absconding with the corpse.

Rumours have been circulating that there was a minor earthquake during the previous night, which may have something to do with this case. It is also reputed that there are eyewitnesses to the deed: The guards who have all mysteriously gone into hiding, and the women who claim they were the first to realize that the tomb was empty.

A brain boggling challenge indeed. Whodunit, how was it done, and what was the motive? Monsieur Parot leaps into action in our exclusive dialogue! Shall we begin, Monsieur?

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Parot: Merci for the narration. I shall now begin by examining zee method used to remove zee body. First, zee boulder is obviously too large for a solitary man to move. Zee size also means that zis would be make it a noisy affair.

Ah, how true! That means that moving the boulder would have alerted the guards.

Parot: Precisely! And zese guards are no cheap rent-a-polis, zey are Roman soldiers, zee best zat Imperial dictatorship can hire! Zey do not fall asleep on zee job. To be caught slacking while on duty is punishable by zee death, no?

But hold on just a second, Mr. Parot. Some say that these were just Temple guards. And since we can’t find them at this time, we can’t tell for sure.

Parot: Point taken. But none-zeless, zee Temple guards are also highly trained. If zey are found out to be sleeping on zee job, zey are merely set on zee fire. Zis does not neccessarily lead to zee death, zee fire can be put out you see.

Uh, okay… Still rather painful and worth avoiding. But couldn’t the culprits have just sneaked in through a small gap in the boulder-blocked entrance, or a secret passage or something?

Parot: You have been reading too many Agatha Christie novels. Zis is not some elaborate manor house, where zee butler did it in zee library with zee candlestick! Zis is a tiny hole cut into it the rock, with a tiny hole for zee entrance. Zere is no gap wide enough for even a child to squeeze into.

Oh, okay then. Point taken. Just to be clear to you folks at home, I prefer Sir Arthur Conan Doyle myself. Ahem, back to the boulder?

Parot: Oui, zee boulder! As I had mentioned earlier, zee boulder could not be moved in stealth. As you can see, zee guards, zey are zee key. If zey were at zee scene of zee crime when zee crime happened, zey would surely have responded with zee gratuitious violence. Zerfore, my conclusion is zat the guards on duty must have been absent or else overpowered.

You know, your accent is really quite strong…

Parot: Please sir, do try and pay attention!

Sorry, sorry! My apologies! Do go on.

Parot: Oui. As I was saying, zee guards are zee key to zee mystery. Anyone who wishes to remove zee boulder, must first remove zee guards!

Aha! I see! But who, pray tell?

Parot: We have several suspects. I shall describe each in detail and present to you zus my conclusion. First, we have of course zee dead man’s followers. Zey have zee most motive for stealing zee body. With zee body gone, zey could claim zat zeir leader had risen from zee dead! Zis would be most excellent propoganda for zeir movement.

Ah, yes! I do recall hearing rumours that this Jesus fellow said something about being the resurrection and the life and whatnot.

Parot: Oui, as I have heard also. But even if zey did not wish to make such a claim, zee body would still be of great sentimental value to zem. Zerfore, zee powerful motive to steal away zee corpse.

So it was those Apostle ruffians! I knew it!

Parot: Ah, but zere you are mistaken. For although zey have zee motive to commit zis crime, zey do not have zee ability! Remember, zey could not stop zeir leader from being crucified. As I hear, zey ran away like frightened sheep even at zee arrest.

Yes, that did happen. In fact, although they were reported to have sneaked closer to see their leader, one of their most senior members denied all association with Jesus upon even casual interrogation.

Parot: Cowards and charlatans, I call zem! Why, I’m sure that if zee Germans even shook a fist at zem, zey would surrender immediately. Haha! How wimpee. So do you think it is likely zat zey would be able to overpower a team of armed and gratuitiously violent guards?

Well… Maybe they were really fanatical? Madmen’s strength and all that…

Parot: It is highly unlikely. Zee guards could not be bribed either. Zerfore, I conclude zat zee followers of zee dead man are not zee perpetrators, and  we move on to zee next suspects. And zey are… Zee Pharisees or zee Romans!

Zee Pharisees or zee Romans?! I mean, the Pharisees or the Romans?!

Parot: Oui! If zee guards could not be bribed or overpowered, zen zee only ones with zee authority to disperse zee guards would be zeir superiors. If zeir superiors wished to remove zee body, not only would zee guards not be an obstacle. Zey would be ordered to move zee boulder and de-bandage zee corpse, before removing both it and zemselves from the scene. Zerfore, zee authorities have zee greatest ability to remove zee body from zee tomb.

But… But… That makes no sense! Why would they do that? Wouldn’t it contribute to the rumours that this guy really can come back to life, and from there that he really is the Messiah like he claimed? I mean, the rumours are already circulating. If they really did do the deed, they should produce the rotting body for everyone to see!

Parot: Your doubts are not unfounded! For while zee authorities have zee ability to remove zee body, zey have no motive. As you say, it is counter-productive to zeir agenda for zee body to disappear. Thus, zey are also not zee guilty party.

Who, then?

Parot: Who indeed. We next move on to the next possibility, one zat has been proposed by many parties. Zee theory zat zee culprit who moved zee boulder, unwrapped zee bandages and took away zee dead man’s body is… Zee dead man himself!

WHAT?!! Impossible!

Parot: Exactly! It is impossible for a dead man to accomplish all zis, being dead as it were. Zerfore, he must have still been alive, so zee certain parties say!

Phew! For a moment there, I thought this was the Curse of Tutankhamun or something… Alive, you say?

Parot: Actually, as zey say. Zey say zat zis Jesus did not actually die during zee crucifixion. What happened is zat zee Pharisees were in a hurry to finish zee execution before zee Sabbath. Zerfore, when zee Roman executioner let down zee body, zee man was not yet dead – merely in zee condition of a faint!

That sounds logical… I hear that even Herod was surprised that he died so quickly.

Parot: Ah, but zis theory has very many holes in it! Like a Swiss cheese I might say! Zat is why I put it that zey say so, and not I myself who says so.

Holes in the story, you say? Like a Swiss cheese? Interesting… Let’s hear them!

Parot: First, it is highly unlikely zat zee condemned man could escape fatality. Zee process of zee scourging is highly damaging to zee body. It especially causes great blood loss. Zis could not have been helpful to zee health of zee victim.

Ouch! Yes, I’ve witnessed a few myself. Not a walk in the park, I must say.

Parot: Second, zee crucifixion was not merely hanging out on a piece of wood for a few minutes. With zee arms stretched out like zat, you cannot breathe without lifting your whole body up. Zis would require continual effort, which coupled with zee scourging and exposure would exhaust a man quite quickly – leading to suffocation when he can no longer lift himself to breathe.

I might add for the audience’s benefit… The English word for extreme pain, excruciating, literally means ‘out of the cross’ – So painful was the experience.

Parot: Thirdly, zee comndemned would be certified as properly dead by zee executioner. Zis fellow would have enough experience to know whether a man is dead or merely pretending. As evidence, zee soldiers broke zee legs of the other two condemned – with broken legs, zey could no longer lift themselves up, thus suffocating shortly afterward. Zey did not do zis for Jesus, but rather stabbed a spear into his side to make sure he was already dead and did not need his legs to be broken.

Quite gross… This gets more and more explicit, accurate though the description may be. Our apologies to the folks with family at home.

Parot: And finally, zee body of zee condemned was smothered with preservative spices and tightly wrapped in bandages. As I have heard some say, if zee flogging and nailing didn’t kill him… Zis surely would!

So then, you think he couldn’t possibly have survived all this?

Parot: You are correct, I do not believe so. For him to survive would be a great miracle indeed, worthier than zee silly rumours about fish and whatnot zat I heard on my way here! In any case, even if he did somehow survive, I do not think he would have even a fraction of zee strength needed to move zee boulder from zee inside, get past zee guards somehow and escape without a trace… While leaving zee neat pile of wrappings behind.

My, my, my… A verdict worthy of the best forensic medical examiners indeed! So then, what else do you have left in your list?

Parot: Zere is zis: Zat some other phenomena was zee cause, or at least contributed to zee circumstances. Something zat is not of human intervention. For example, zee earthquake zat that was reported.

Oh, oh! I know! The tremors shook the boulder loose, rolled it aside and scared the guards off! Following which, the Apostles or some other grave robbers came and did the dirty deed. That removes the need to bypass the guards. A brilliant deduction, hmm?

Parot: You are intelligent, I must say! But not, of course, as intelligent as moi. For zis is a very convenient explanation, but one zat fails to properly address zee contraints. As I have explained, zee guards are neither cowards nor unprofessional buffoons. An earthquake is nothing compared to zeir duty and zeir lives! So to bring in such a phenomena is merely to invoke Deus ex Machina, a convenient solution and one zat shuts zee mind to furzer consideration.

Okay, fine. So what is YOUR conclusion, great detective? Who DID scatter the guards, move the boulder and steal the body?

Parot: First we shall recap. In a systematic order, we have made zee following conclusions… Zee followers of zee dead man did not have zee ability. Zee Roman and priestly authorities did not have zee logical motive. Zee dead man was, quite assuredly, a dead man. And zee earthquake did not do anything of note. Which leaves one possibility…

Which is? The suspense is killing me! I’m sure the audience feels the same way!

Parot: The last possibility is… Zat zis was an act of God!

…What.

Parot: Yes! An angel came down from zee Heaven, scared zee guards witless and moved zee boulder, so zat zee dead man who had come back to full life and health could just walk casually out of zee tomb, exactly as he prophecied he would. All after folding his burial wrappings neatly, of course.

Are you sure?! Jesus came back to life?!!

Parot: ………..Just kidding! Hahaha! I had you going zere for a moment, zid I not?

Haha! Phew! You did, Monsieur Parot, you certainly did! Good one. So what’s the real last possibility?

Parot: …Zere is none.

Uh, come again? What do you mean, none?

Parot: I mean zat zere is none. As all zee viable explanations have been exhausted, I zerfore conclude zat zis case is unsolvable. Neither zee culprit nor zee method can be identified.

But… What do you mean no more viable explanations? What about that miracle stuff? I know I laughed when you suggested it, but maybe you should consider…?

Parot: Do not act zee buffoon, sir! Miraculous explanations are out of zee question, because miracles do not exist. Zey are most improbable occurances.

I agree that miracles are quite improbable. But a great English detective once said: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” So even if it’s highly improbable, if it’s the only remaining explanation, then…?

Parot: I advise you to stop reading bad literature, sir. Let me make it simpler for you. It is not improbable, it is totally impossible. Zere is no such thing as God and miracles.

The reason being…?

Parot: Because I know that zere is no such thing.

And how did you reach this conclusion?

Parot: Simple. Because it is impossible.

Um, let me get this equation straight… It’s impossible because you know there’s no such thing, and you know there’s no such thing because it’s impossible?

Parot: Exactly!

But… That’s circular reasoning! Did you start with a foregone conclusion that there is no such thing as the supernatural, even before you examined the evidence for and against it?

Parot: Nonsense! We scientific-minded types do not hold prejudices. We make our conclusions based solely on observations and facts.

Then you’ll at least consider that the supernatural exists?

Parot: No, it cannot exist because it is impossible. Zere is only nature and zee laws of physics, zerfore zee supernatural zoes not even need to be considered. It would be a waste of time.

But you’ve already made your conclusion at the start! You’re convinced that the supernatural doesn’t exist and therefore exclude it before you even begin weighing the evidence for it. It sounds like you prefer not to confront even the possibility that there is a supernatural.

Parot: Look, my good sir, zee supernatural does not exist and zerfore cannot be proven to exist. Zerfore we should not even waste our time consizering or testing it. Anyway, what am I here for, to ziscuss chilzish philosophy or to solve zee case scientifically?

Fine then. So how Do you solve this case?

Parot: Zere is no solution. Zat is all. And with zee cased closed, I shall now bid you all adieu.

Very well. Adieu to you too, Monsieur Parot.

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And so there it is, folks. By excluding all explanations of a supernatural nature from the get-go as ‘impossible’ – without even bothering to first consider such a possibility – we have reached a dead end. No pun intended.

Ladies & gents, by beginning with a foregone conclusion that miracles cannot happen, can we really say that the case was handled with neutrality and lack of bias?

Is science that from the offset holds to the dogma ‘Nature is everything there is and there is nothing besides it’… Really science?

Or is it instead a philosophy, something already firmly decided in the mind? Even perhaps a faith, held onto tightly with eyes and ears closed to any contrary evidence?

Sounds like some sort of religion, doesn’t it folks? Say, the worship of the unchallengeable NO-SUPERNATURAL under the masquerade of proper science?

And what if Monsieur Parot here had looked at the evidence from a truly neutral, unbiased viewpoint? One without his predetermined stance that “Anything not explainable by natural laws is automatically impossible”? What might he have concluded? What might we all have discovered?

Why don’t you, attentive audience, take a look at the evidence yourself – With no pre-formed conclusions or preferred solutions in mind – And decide for yourselves if this is a case of robbing a grave, or a case of Resurrection.

And this concludes our show for today. Tune in again next week folks… Same time, same place. Good night!


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19 Responses to “The Locked Tomb Mystery – Whodunit?”

  1. paarsurrey Says:

    Hi

    Jesus did not die on Cross. Please don’t mind. In my opinion he survived death on Cross, as he promised to show sign of Jonah. And Jonah entered the belly of fish alive, remained alive in the belly of the fish and came out alive from the belly of the fish. Similarly Jesus entered the tomb where he was laid after he was delivered from the Cross, in a precarious condition but nevertheless alive. Jesus remained alive in the tomb and came out of it alive. Since he never died on the Cross, there is no question of his resurrection from the dead. This has been proved by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 from several arguments from the Quran, NTBible and the medical and the history. Kindly visit my blogsite for your comments and/or discussions on the posts/pages there if you like. Differing opinions are also welcome.

    I love Jesus, Mary and Muhammad.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  2. Scott Thong Says:

    With all due respect, if you had read my post properly (the third possibility), you’ll have realized that it is a BIGGER MIRACLE for Jesus to survive the crucifixion without dying, than to be brought back to life!

    Please read the reasons carefully:

    1) Jesus had his entire back ripped open by whipping.

    2) He was forced to march up a hill with a beam of wood on His back, exhausting Him and causing more bleeding.

    3) He was nailed to the cross, exposed and forced to lift Himself by the nailed hands and feet every time He had to breathe.

    4) When the day grew late, the soldiers broke the legs of the two criminals so they would die immediately. They found Jesus was already dead, so they did not break His legs.

    5) To be absolutely sure, a soldier also stabbed Jesus’ chest with a spear. Blood and fluid came out. He was definitely dead.

    6) Even if Jesus was not 100% dead, the burial treatment would kill Him – 100 pounds of spices and preservatives were put into His open wounds, then His body was tightly wrapped like an Egyptian mummy!

    7) If Jesus was still not dead, how would He – a half dead man – escape from the tight wrappings, push away the large boulder, and escape from the guards placed at the tomb?

    8) If Jesus managed all those things, and escaped to meet His apostles – do you think they would be inspired and encouraged by the half-dead state of Jesus? That is not the kind of ‘triumphant victory over death’ that Jesus promised! The apostles would have been discouraged and given up instead of boldly preaching Jesus’ Gospel in the face of execution.

    9) What’s more, the Holy Bible states that Jesus died. In the Bible, Jesus Himself says from heaven that He died and came back to life. The Bible has not been corrupted, so what it says is true.

    10) Reasons why the Bible has not been corrupted can be seen at Was the Bible Changed? (Reasons Why It Could Not Have Been).

    One important reason for Muslims is that the Quran says that Bible is also the word of God: “Allah sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind…” – Al E Imran 3.

    Therefore, to say that the Bible was changed or corrupted is to say that Allah cannot protect His own word, and therefore is NOT supreme and all-powerful. That is blasphemy, is it not?

    I do not know where you got your information from, but I contend that it is inferior to the logic and proof of my arguments.

  3. paarsurrey Says:

    Hi

    I respect your faith.

    I have read the write-up as contained in https://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/the-locked-tomb-mystery-whodunit/) the whole of it. In my opinion there is a difference between a myth and a miracle. One cannot understand a phenomenon fully unless one compares it with others writing on the subject.The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 has explained it in detail with very sound arguments. Kindly read his book “Jesus in India” , written a hundred years ago and compare it with your views and you will know the truth for sure. It only requires a little research.

    The book “Jesus in India” can be accessed here freely:
    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html
    Kindly read the book so that we could discuss it further. There is no harm if other persons reading our posts join in the discussion. Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross; he was a righteous person, I love him.

    The myth (not the miracle) of Jesus dying on Cross was invented by Paul at Rome, when Jesus was in exile and alive in India. There is no mystery; if there was any, that has been solved by the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 with a Word of revelation from GodAllahYHWH.

    Thanks

    I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

  4. dave Says:

    Scott, this is a very good response. Thank you.

  5. Scott Thong Says:

    paarsurvey,

    If Jesus did not actually die and return to life, then the entire Christian faith is null and ineffective. The entire point of Jesus dying ‘an accursed death’ is to be an Old Testament-type blood sacrifice and to bear our sins away from us (thus the accursed part).

    If you want to argue that Jesus ran away to India and died and was buried there, then I can argue that that is a myth – Jesus actually went to Japan.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingo%2C_Aomori

    I will, however, read through the link you provided and decide how logical and trustworthy its arguments are.

  6. Simon Thong Says:

    paarsurvey, Jesus Christ of the Christian faith is not a myth but a historical fact. A myth is a timeless story that contains a kernel of truth, or explains how things began, as in the story of how Chinese New Year began with the chasing away of the Nien monster. Jesus was a fact. He had an address. Jesus of Nazareth. Born in Bethlehem. He had real parents. Joseph the carpenter. Mary. He had disciples. He was recorded in history. Today, he would have been issued a birth certificate, and subsequently, an Identity Card. Paul came later and did not invent the myth. He could not have. Peter was prior to him, and Peter was eye-witness, companion and disciple.

    If someone, many someones, contemporaneous with Jesus Christ told you what he SAW and someone else, more than a thousand years later, told you what he THOUGHT had happened to Jesus? Jesus in India? Why not in Japan, to quote Scott. Or China? Even better, why not in Malacca during the Malacca Sultanate? Coz anything apart from Jesus in Palestine would be a FAKE, not a myth, and definitely not a historical fact.

  7. paarsurrey Says:

    @Scott Thong :your comments of July 12, 08 at 1:50 pm

    Did you read the book “Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908)-The Promised Messiah. I again provide the link:

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/index.html

    Sorry; it is a long time since we discussed; about six years ago.

  8. Scott Thong Says:

    Regarding the book “Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908)-The Promised Messiah… No, I have not read it. Not having the time to even blog on my interests anymore, I hardly have time for that on the side. Perhaps some day.

    But if you have the time and desire, feel free to comment with the main points of the book.

  9. paarsurrey Says:

    “Jesus in India”: Introducing the book

    The main points of the book “Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi are given below:

    1. Jesus did not die on the Cross; he survived a cursed death on it.
    2. Jesus was treated for his injuries inflicted on him on the Cross in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea.
    3. When Jesus’ injuries on the Cross were healed to the extent he could make a journey; he came out of the tomb and he met his disciples secretly to tell them that he survived and is the same person with the same body he had before he was put on the Cross.
    4. Then he went to Galilee; he did not and could not ascend to heavens; instead he secretly going up the hill went towards India; along with his mother Mary.
    5. Jesus traveled to India in search of and to meet the ten lost tribes of house of Israel who were settled in different parts of India.
    6. The book provided the root map of Jesus travel to India.
    7. Jesus visited different part of India and ultimately settled in Kashmir, India.
    8. He died a natural and physical death in India; and his grave is still found at Mohalla Khanyar, Srinagar, Kashmir, India.
    9. Jesus is not to come again literally and physically and his symbolic Second Coming has been fulfilled in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.
    10. I give below the headings of the chapter of the book:

    Introduction
    Chapter 1
    • Evidence from the Gospels
    Chapter 2
    • Evidence from the Quran and Authentic traditions
    Chapter 3
    • Evidence derived from Medical Literature
    • List of Books mentioning Marham-i-Isa (ointment of Jesus), and that the Ointment was Prepared for Jesus’ Wounds
    Chapter 4
    • Evidence from Historical Records
    Section 1:
    • Evidence from Islamic literature concerning Jesus’ journeys
    • Probable Route Map of Jesus’ Journey to India
    Section 2:
    • Evidence from Buddhist Records
    Section 3:
    • Evidence from Historical Writings which Show that Jesus’ Journey to the Punjab and Neighbouring Territories was Inevitable
    • List of 24 Tribes of Abdalees
    Appendix
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_India_(book)

    The book is freely available online:

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Jesus-in-India.pdf

    It is a small book of about 122 pages.

    Thanks

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  11. Scott Thong Says:

    Thanks for the advertising.

    Perhaps one day I will read through the book, but to have a fair view I would also need to read and compare competing claims about Jesus having instead gone to and been buried in Japan, or having had a Second Coming in the form of the founders of the Bahai, Rastafarian, Unification Church, Peoples Temple, Heaven’s Gate and Aum Shinrikyo movements (among many, many others).

  12. paarsurrey Says:

    @Scott Thong Says:February 13, 14 at 11:45 am

    I am not advertising or selling anything; the book is available on line; I provided the link.

    You are welcome to make a research and then form your opinion.

    Why delay reading the book?

    If Jesus did not die on the Cross and died in India; then in the words of Paul , Christian belief is in vain:

    1 Corinthians 15:12-19
    New International Version (NIV)

    The Resurrection of the Dead

    12 But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15:12-19

  13. Scott Thong Says:

    Why delay? Because I don’t have hours to spare in my daily schedule?

    I could just take the lazy route you know… Google for a site where someone else who has already read the book debunks it point by point.

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  15. Scott Thong Says:

    Having skimmed through the link you provide, I note many points the author makes where I immediately see problems and inaccuracies.

    Doubtless many others have already gone through the book and posted online their own rebuttals. But that quick glance has interested me to give my own personal views.

    So very well… I will take time some day to go through the book and give my responses… Perhaps bit by bit.

  16. paarsurrey Says:

    @Scott Thong Says:February 15, 14 at 9:56 am

    It is OK for me.

    I find that Simon Thong also wrote a post in July 2008 when earlier we discussed on the topic.

    Is Simon Thong anyway related to you?

    Sorry for asking a personal information; only answer if it is convenient to you; no compulsion.

  17. paarsurrey Says:

    @ Scott Thong
    @Simon Thong

    I have noted some points in the opening paragraph of your post; and I will discuss them one by one.

    A large boulder was put on the entrance of the tomb so that some wild animal should not kill Jesus while unconscious or asleep in the tomb

    Scott Thong wrote:

    1. “First, a large boulder had been placed at the entrance of the tomb. “

    Paarsurrey says:

    A large boulder was placed as Jesus was inside the tomb and was in unconscious conditions due to the injuries inflicted on him on the cross, though he was being treated by Nicodemus, a physician, with the ointment prepared by him from a large and unusual quantity of herbs Aloe and Myrrh, healing weeds, as mentioned in the Bible; nevertheless; I think, the boulder was placed at the entrance of the tomb at night; so that some wild animals like dogs or jackals etc don’t endanger life of Jesus in the tomb whether unconscious or after treatment in his sound sleep.

    I appreciate the efforts of disciples of Jesus while they were busy doing their utmost to save the injured Jesus by his treatment in the tomb of Armathea.

    Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the Promised Messiah- Second Coming of Jesus, mentions about this stone or boulder in the book “Jesus in India” thus:

    “Jesus compared his three days’ stay in the tomb to the three days of Jonah in the belly of the whale. This only shows that just as Jonah remained alive for three days in the belly of the whale, so did Jesus remain alive for three days in the tomb. The Jewish tombs of those days were not like the tombs of to-day; they were roomy and had an opening on one side, which was covered with a big stone. And, presently, I shall prove in due course that Jesus’ tomb which has been recently discovered in Srinagar in Kashmir is of the same type as the one in which Jesus was placed in a state of swoon.”

    http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

  18. Why a large boulder was placed on the entrance of Jesus’ tomb? | paarsurrey Says:

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  19. Scott Thong Says:

    with the ointment prepared by him from a large and unusual quantity of herbs Aloe and Myrrh, healing weeds

    Myrhh was used in Biblical times as an embalming ingredient. Thus the three gifts given by the wise men resresented Jesus’ status as king (gold), God (frankincense) and martyr (myrrh).

    Or else what do you propose the myrrh in the three gifts of the wise men represented?

    And as my post above and Josh McDowell explained, the kind of injuries Jesus endured even before crucifixion were very griveous (something that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad seems to ignore).

    Below I append an extract of Josh McDowell’s debate:

    Let’s follow through what actually happened. First of all, it points out that Jesus was whipped by the Romans. What did that mean? The Romans would strip a person down to the waist and would tie him in the courtyard. Then they would take a whip that had a handle about a foot and a half long. At the end of the handle, it had four leather thongs with heavy, jagged bones or balls of lead with jagged edges, wound into the end of the straps. A minimum of five. They would be different lengths. The Romans would bring the whip down over the back of the individual and all the balls of lead or bone would hit the body at the same time. and they they would yank the whip down. The Jews would only permit 40 lashes. So they never did more than 39 so they wouldn’t break the law if they miscounted. The Romans could do as many as they wanted. So, when the Romans whipped a Jew, they did 41 or more out of spite to the Jews. And so he had probably at least 41, if not more, lashes.

    There are several medical authorities that have done research on crucifixion. One is a Dr. Barbet, in France, and another is Dr. C. Truman Davis, in the state of Arizona in my country. He is a medical doctor who has done meticulous study of the crucifixion from a medical perspective. Here he gives the effect of the Roman flogging:

    “The heavy whip is brought down with full force again and again across (a person’s) shoulders, back and legs. At first, the heavy thongs cut through the skin only. Then, as the blows continue, they cut deeper into the subcutalleous tissues, producing first an oozing of blood from the capillaries and veins of the skin, and finally spurting arterial bleeding from vessels in the underlying muscles. The small balls of lead first produce large, deep bruises, which the others cut wide open. Finally, the skin of the back is hanging in long ribbons, and the entire area is an unrecognizable mass of torn, bleeding tissue.”

    Other sources I have documented said that sometimes the back is literally opened up to the bowels within. Many people would die just from the whipping.

    The Jewish burial would have been a final death blow. Mr. Deedat says in his book, page 9, in “What Was the Sign of Jonah”? that they gave the Jewish burial bath, plastered him with 100 pounds of aloe and myrrh. Now, going through whipping, where the back is almost laid open, having your arms and feet pierced, being put on a cross, having a spear thrust in your side, being taken down and then plastered with 100-some pounds of spices of cement consistency – it would call for a greater miracle than the resurrection to live through that,

    Then, the severe discipline of the Romans. Pilate was a little amazed, and I would have been too, that Christ had already been dead, or that they had come and asked for the body, So, he called a centurion in. And he said, “I want you to go and confirm to me that Jesus is dead.” Now men and women, this centurion was not a fool. He was not about ready to leave his wife a widow.

    The centurion would always check with four different executioners. That was Roman law. There had to be four executioners. They did that so in case one man was a little lax, the other one would catch him in it, And you would never have all four lax in signing the death warrant. Discipline was severe with the Romans.

    What he describes above, you can watch a video version of here:

    So you see, Josh McDowell already encountered the sort of ‘Jesus didn’t die’ arguments that you put forward. And he knew how to refute these arguments.

    As you encourage me to read the full text of Jesus in India, I encourage you to read the much shorter text of the debate and learn more about the medical circumstances of Jesus’ death – including why having blood and water flow from the wound is evidence of death, not life.

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    think, the boulder was placed at the entrance of the tomb at night; so that some wild animals like dogs or jackals etc don’t endanger life of Jesus in the tomb whether unconscious or after treatment in his sound sleep.

    This neglects the presence of armed guards placed by the Pharisees to prevent Jesus’ body from removal (including by wild animals if it came to that).

    Neither would the armed guards be predisposed to allowing people to treat Jesus, or letting him out of the tomb alive.

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    Jesus compared his three days’ stay in the tomb to the three days of Jonah in the belly of the whale. This only shows that just as Jonah remained alive for three days in the belly of the whale, so did Jesus remain alive for three days in the tomb.

    Jonah survived without dying, but this is ultimately irrelevant as Jesus emerged alive from the tomb.

    In addition, the practise of John the Baptist submerging people under water was to symbolize death and rebirth, and Jesus is the perfection of that process.

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