Liberal Vampires Would Kill Millions of Stem Cell Babies to Live Longer


I’m going to take this mostly direct from Moonbattery:

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Time Magazine Laments Science Moving Past Stem Cell Research

Scientists have discovered how to use normal skin cells for the sort of research that liberals want done on cloned embryos, thus voiding any valid reason to create human life for the sake of experimenting on it.

Great news, right? Not for Time magazine, whose Parkinson-afflicted Michael Kinsley bleats in outrage that stem cell research ought to be pursued anyway:

If stem cells, or something like them, can be obtained without the use of embryos, that eliminates the supposed ethical problem that led President George W. Bush to ban almost all federal financing of embryonic-stem-cell research in 2001. The result has been a severe reduction in embryonic-stem-cell research.

The issue has been agony for many Republicans, torn between the majority of voters, eager for the benefits of this scientific advance, and the small but intense minority who believe that a clump of a few dozen cells floating in a petri dish has the same human rights as you or I.

But any Republicans who think the stem-cell breakthrough gets them off the hook are going to end up very unhappy. This issue will not go away.

First, even the scientists who achieved the latest success believe strongly that embryonic-stem-cell research should continue.

No one knows for sure whether the new method of producing pluripotent cells will pan out or where the next big developments will come from. We are still many thresholds away from anything that can be of practical value to me and others. Scientifically, it makes no sense to abandon any promising avenue just because another has opened up.

Second, even if this were a true turning point in stem-cell research, people like me are not going to quickly forget those six lost years. I am 56. Last year I had a kind of brain surgery that dramatically reduces the symptoms of Parkinson’s. It received government approval only five years ago.

Every year that goes by, science opens new doors, and every year, as you get older and your symptoms perhaps get worse, doors get shut. Six years of delay in a field moving as fast as stem-cell research means a lot of people for whom doors may not open until it is time for them to shut.

If I can make any sense of his argument, he seems to be saying that President Bush cost Parkinson patients several years of research by hesitating to spend federal money on ghoulish experiments. Therefore, Kinsley wants to press forward by killing some embryos, scientific justification be damned.

Kinsley also argues that since embryos are killed in fertility clinics, they ought to be killed in research clinics too. He also asserts that paths of inquiry shouldn’t be abandoned, just because better ones have been discovered.

Hopefully the skin cell research will yield results soon enough to help Kinsley think more clearly.

Once again it becomes apparent that liberal support of stem cell research is not based on science, but on a need to establish that the soul is a superstition, and that human life has no inherent value. Not only would this support their nihilistic ideology, it would justify the legality and taxpayer funding of abortion. Also, their beloved socialized medicine will lead inevitably to rationing of healthcare, which in turn will force a reliance on euthanasia for those no longer in a position to be of use to the State. 

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As I put it to Moonbattery’s Van Helsing, the liberal babykillers think it more worthwhile to destroy the entire lifespans of thousands or millions of babies to improve the few remaining years of life of 56-year old whiners.

In other words, people who have already lived their lives would steal the futures of thousands of innocents just to add a few years to their own crumbling lifespan.

This reminds me of nothing less than vampires and queens who bathe in the blood of virgins.

I think this sums it up quite nicely, from The Ryskind Sketchbook:

EmbryonicStemCellRealPurpose

See also:

Liberal Definition of A ‘Person’

SCHIP and Abortion Moonbat Back-to-Square-One Argument

Back to the Future Stem Cells

Are Your Babies Inside Your Parents?

You Reach Your Right Hand In, And Pull The Baby’s Brains Out

Hey, Do You Think We Should We Kill Babies?

Are Your Babies Inside Your Parents?


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20 Responses to “Liberal Vampires Would Kill Millions of Stem Cell Babies to Live Longer”

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  2. Alissa Says:

    If you’re going to post on an issue, at least be completely informed. That cartoon is not even correct. Scientists cannot “make” embryonic stem cells from skin cells. They have found certain characteristics in certain skin cells that are similar to embryonic stem cells, but they are not one in the same. Nor do they act completely the same.

    I also think you were interpreting what Kinsley was saying incorrectly. I think he was just saying that embryos are disposed of daily. He was saying that instead of wasting them, use them to prolong a life or make a life better (cure a disease, give a paraplegic the ability to walk again, etc.). He wasn’t advocating disposing of more embryos. Get your facts straight. Learn both sides of arguments before you make a website like this. Don’t you want to turn people over to your side? For that to happen, it is necessary to make valid arguments.

  3. Scott Thong Says:

    The cartoon of course is not 100% accurate (they seldom are).

    However, the gist of the science is spot on:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adult_stem_cell#Adult_stem_cell_therapies

    Using genetic reprogramming, pluripotent stem cells equivalent to embryonic stem cells have been derived from human adult skin tissue.

    They apparently act the same in the ways that count.

    And also:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell#Adult_stem_cells

    While embryonic stem cell potential remains untested, adult stem cell treatments have been used for many years to treat successfully leukemia and related bone/blood cancers through bone marrow transplants.

    So if adult stem cell treatment is fully viable, would people still want to use embryonic stem cells? When embryos are no longer produced as a by-product of in-vitro fertilization, will people still demand embryos for their research?

    The artists insinuates just that. You should see also https://scottthong.wordpress.com/2007/04/16/back-to-the-future-stem-cells/

    Btw, I consider in-vitro fertilization just as selfish in creating and snuffing out life just for the emotional comfort of the parents. Adopt one of the millions of orphans, why don’t you!

  4. Ryan Says:

    I think you’re wrong Mr Thong. Stem Cell research can prolong the lives of others without harming “millions of innocent babies”. What kind of point is that? It’s not even factual at all…first of all, what constitutes a “baby”. Cell’s hardly do, or all of my sperm would be a baby. Just because some people don’t want to have kids, doesn’t mean they can’t prolong their lives or even live happier and healthier lives. We’re not killing your future babies, so your extreme views seem rather pointless and not very helpful to the future of mankind.

  5. Scott Thong Says:

    But why the focus on using embryonic stem cells – which does not have any proven benefits – instead of focusing on adult stem cells or cord blood, which do have proven benefits? Years of clinical proof, in fact!

    I’ll tell you this, most conservatives have absolutely no problem with adult or placental stem cells.

  6. John Says:

    Hey, if people want to use their sperm and eggs just to help themselves then okay. What’s wrong with that? If they weren’t even going to have babies, then what’s wrong? Sometimes it’s because they are already doing in vitro fertilization, so even then, it’s their own flesh. If people all thought that there’s a soul in as little as a few cells three or four days after conception, I don’t think anyone would have oral sex. If you wanna stop those who are really killing millions upon millions of babies, stop everyone from jerking it, that’s what I say. If you want to better humanity, then sometimes a little difficult decision now can benefit the world a great deal later. And, hey, after they make a bunch of stem cells, they are capable of growing many more of them without even having to kill any more “babies”.

  7. Scott Thong Says:

    If people all thought that there’s a soul in as little as a few cells three or four days after conception, I don’t think anyone would have oral sex. If you wanna stop those who are really killing millions upon millions of babies, stop everyone from jerking it, that’s what I say.

    Lol old and noob argument.

    Sperm cells put into stomach acid will die in minutes. Put sperm cells in a fertile womb, and they will die in max 3 days. Even in the testes where they are produced, they will die in a few days.

    Whereas put a fertilized human ovum into a fertile womb, and it will start dividing and growing within hours. All on its own, it will absorb nutrients from the mother and maintain its life processes. 9 months later, a full human being is ready to begin an individual life.

    There is no comparison.

  8. John Says:

    Hey, I’m just saying that everyone has a line. I am actually just curious as where you draw yours. I think that will help everyone understand you better. I mean, what exactly is too far in your eyes and how far is okay by your standards. You’ve talked about your oppinion a lot, but define for us how far you think people can go before it becomes immoral. I only posted something stupid to break the monotonous babble of seriousness that’s written here. Not that it’s not important, but you can understand someone coming in the middle of an arguement and reading all of this. I am actually really interested in your point of view. I personally don’t feel exactly the same way as you do, because I feel that if a person has said,”hey! my wife’s finally pregnant!”(Presumably because of In Vitro) then what should happen to all the other blastocysts? I mean, in your oppinion. I believe that if a girl is fooling around with a boy, then, yes, she better damn have that child because that’s her fault. Take responsibility, right? But say she just got married and got pregnant potentially pregnant too soon and a day or two after takes the morning after pill… Is that wrong? I don’t believe a woman could or would go, ” What do ya know, I’m seven months pregnant. I’m just gonna kill my unborn.” That, in my oppinion, is truly murder. But I think it’s a situational thing.

    So let’s try to have a conversation and not a full out arguement. I am really curious as to how you think regarding this.

  9. Scott Thong Says:

    My take is quite simple – Don’t have premarital sex.

    If you do, don’t have unprotected sex.

    If you do, don’t do it when the girl is fertile.

    If you do, don’t stay inside when the moment comes.

    If you do, take responsibility for your actions, dammit! You already had a ton of chances and choices.

  10. John Says:

    Okay. But what about when they intentionally got pregnant and all those “potential” human beings are dumped by the fertility clinic? You already heard this, but: Didn’t the parents know,”wow, when we get pregnant, isn’t it already a little awkward that all the other little clump’o’cells they made with our sperm and eggs are just going to be tossed out? might as well put them to some good use and attempt to better humanity. I mean, it’s not like, honey, we’re just gonna try and get pregnant a gazillion times so they don’t go to waste, or have a bunch of woman carry them inside them, or grow them in labs, because that would truly be immoral: raising a child in a laboratory without any parents to birth him, so when he goes into the world he can say,’why am I the only one of all my friends that was born artificially? Why can’t I just be like everyone else?'”

    Well, Mr. Thong, I think everyone else agrees with you on what you just said, but the topic of the whole article you wrote was about people you believe to want to destroy “BLASTOCYSTS” to only better themselves. Well, sir, the whole human race is selfish because we only want to better ourselves as a whole. Not as an individual. If that man wants the science to progress to save himself, that’s his issue. Personally, I think tons of people will one day be able to access the treatment they need and it was all because we got past the controversy before hand. I mean, you’ve heard the guy who wrote to you that he is a stem cell researcher and he even told you that they don’t just kill stuff. Scientists, as you know, do things in the interest of all humanity. You would like people to be able to get the help they need, right? Can you even see it from my point of view? I think the other folks who responded are right about one thing: You need to do a lot more researching yourself. Hey, man, no hard feelings, and I understand this is your place to vent about these issues, but I don’t think what you’re writing is going to start a revolution or anything…

  11. John Says:

    You’re funny how you use sarcasm! Jelly Fish…

  12. John Says:

    Oops. That last thing I put in there was for your “Lesbian Mags” something-or-other article. Hehehe… lolz.

  13. Scott Thong Says:

    Now the thing is, there’s this treatment that uses adult stem cells. It doesn’t involve the destruction of embryos, blastocysts or whatnot. It is therefore totally uncontroversial.

    And you know what’s really funny? Adult stem cell treatment has proven benefits and results:

    Adult stem cell treatments have been used for many years to successfully treat leukemia and related bone/blood cancers utilizing bone marrow transplants – Wikipedia on adult stem cells

    How many proven results to the oh-so-miraculous embryonic stem cells have? ZILCH.

    So why the continued focus on embryonic stem cells, when we have a perfectly viable alternative to spend tax dollars on? It’s almost like the goal is the snuffing out of embryos rather than the means

  14. John Says:

    Hey. Does this link make you happy?

    http://www.wi.mit.edu/news/archives/2007/rj_0606.html

    I’ve done my share of research. I see in a way what you mean. But the ethics thing you hold about the topic seems to fanatic. You must feel like the last man alive, but you’re right, being a minority of thinkers doesn’t make you wrong, just unlucky. I can sympathize with how you feel, but I stick to my beliefs that there are circumstances where some things that are wrong can be right. (E.g., The whole case of a woman getting an abortion very early on in pregnancy because she was raped.)
    So, sir, because there are some times hard roads to go down , doesn’t mean everyone is wrong. They are just finding an end to a means, which is not the mass murder you claim it to be, only a way to better everyone. Would it have been better if the man who wrote the Time Magazine article to leave out that he would like the technology to develop so he can get treatment, too? That honestly does sound a little(very little) bit selfish, but disregard one man… Every one else will one day benefit from this technology. If you’re dying, and want a cure to come along quickly, that doesn’t truly make you selfish, just because of the nature of the cure or the way by which it was discovered. That would be like saying a child is in the wrong because he benefited from this research. In the ling run, if it helps us as a whole then there’s no reason to complain. The car wasn’t always as efficient, neither was the plane, the computer, the gun, or the television. Everything gets better because people are smart(don’t use this one against me, please…) so this technology, I can guarantee you that it will also progress to the point where we will no longer have the need to use embryos. Hence the link I posted earlier, but you, sir, have to be less judgmental on people and have faith that human ingenuity, the will to learn from failed attempts(this is, I assure you, not one), and science will bring forth something good for the better of humanity.

    (I think my little rant was well put.)

  15. Scott Thong Says:

    Yes, it was quite well put.

    But if we can progress beyond the use of embryos, why even start with embryos? After all, as I have said, adult stem cells are already producing results.

    The development of the car, the plane, the computer and the television did not require that humans – who would otherwise live on and grow in full adults – die by the thousands in order to become effective. Neither did the gun, even though its end use is to kill humans. In fact, no medical treatment in history has required the mass sacrifice of thousands for an unproven and hypothetical treatment for non-life threatening conditions.

  16. John Says:

    Well, I will congradulate you on one thing: You sure do stick to your stuff, sir. Oh, well. Same here though. You do realize that my not being able to change your view is the same thing as you not being able to change mine. Just don’t think anyone who has formed an opinion will change theirs anytime soon. This page is more like a vent for you to others who are already on your side, so power to you for trying. It’s like if some guy “turns” another guy gay, then wasn’t the other guy really gay to begin with? Well, this is the same situation; If you convert somebody to your beliefs, then they most likely were already that way and you just opened their eyes to who they really are. But there’s no harm in doing the best you can. It’s been nice chattin’.

  17. Scott Thong Says:

    What can I say? I agree with your conclusion totally.

  18. David Granovsky Says:

    Should embryos be researched? In theory, everything should be researched because we won’t know what advancements can come of it until it’s done. But what about embryonic research in regard to treatments and the great stem cell debate? Forget the Embryos, They’re Irrelevant! (read on before making any assumptions about my position)

    So what if embryonic research has been 100% fruitless (in regard to generating treatments) for well-funded and government supported scientists around the world for the last 11 years. Maybe the U.S. scientists can discover amazing new things given enough time and money. Because we will never know what advances and benefits that research may bring us.

    So what if Dr James Thomson, father of embryonic research said about embryonic research: “…embryonic stem cells are not being used in any clinical applications yet, while alternatives such as adult stem cells figure in scores of therapies.”

    So what if the world’s best embryonic scientists believe that Induced Pluripotent Stem Cells (iPSC – adult cells modified to be able to become any cell in the human body) seem to have all of the benefits of ESC with significantly less of a rejection issue, without the political & religious controversy or the tumor and cancer potential that ESC do?

    So what if Time magazine named iPSC innovation No. 1 on its “Top 10 Scientific Discoveries” of 2007, and the journal Science rated it the No. 1 breakthrough of 2008?

    So what if the iPSC findings even prompted Ian Wilmut, who led the team that cloned Dolly the sheep, to abandon his license to attempt human cloning, saying that the researchers “may have achieved what no politician could: an end to the embryonic stem cell debate.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/10/AR2009031002842.html

    So what if 3 weeks ago, Dr. Bernadine Healy, director of the National Institutes of Health under the first President Bush, wrote in U.S. News & World Report that these recent developments “in the first six weeks of Obama’s term, several events reinforced the notion that embryonic stem cells, once thought to hold the cure for Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and diabetes, are obsolete….. In fact, adult stem cells, which occur in small quantities in organs throughout the body for natural growth and repair, have become stars despite great skepticism early on.” http://health.usnews.com/blogs/heart-to-heart/2009/03/04/why-embryonic-stem-cells-are-obsolete.html

    So what if Dr James Thomson, father of embryonic research said about iPSC: “Already these reprogrammed cells (iPSC) have eclipsed the value of those harvested from embryos, because of significantly lower cost, ease of production, and genetic identity with the patient. They also bring unique application to medical and pharmaceutical research, because cells cultivated from patients with certain diseases readily become laboratory models for developing and testing therapy. That iPS cells overcome ethical concerns about creating and sacrificing embryos is an added plus.”

    But personally I am selfish and I have an evil agenda. I am less concerned with promoting broad spectrum research of everything that may educate us. I am interested in research that can help suffering human beings now, human beings who have debilitating, life-altering or life-threatening diseases.

    I want to help them now.

    And we can…

    And we aren’t.

    I don’t want to see the tears of one more person who is turned away from their doctor’s door with the statement, “there’s nothing more we can do” while people around the world have been successfully treated for that same disease for 3, 5, 10 years.

    I can’t sit at the death bed of the millions dying each year and try to get them excited about the wonderful discoveries we will make in the future, the advancement of the human race, the spirit of the human quest for knowledge.

    I refuse to go to death row and tell each inmate about how every prison but theirs has pardoned the death row inmates and the governor is going to pardon everyone on death row here too! But sorry, only after they are executed.

    That is what we are talking about for MILLIONS OF AMERICANS. A death sentence with no potential of pardon…until after they die. And since few people can afford to travel outside the country for adult stem cell treatments, ESC-crazed America, the Bangladesh of stem cells, with its focus on “treatment useless” research, and 4-8 years behind the rest of the world on available adult stem cell treatments, has become exactly that, a death row prison cell for those suffering from so-called untreatable diseases.

    If you want to do battle over the morality of researching embryos then go for it. Knock yourself out. And good luck to both sides in the battle because no one will ever back down and no one will win. Ever.

    But if you want to talk about using embryos for TREATMENTS, then you are missing the point. Embryonic research won’t produce treatments for 10-20 or even 50 years. So for those suffering from already-treatable Spinal Cord Injuries, Autism, CP, MS, Diabetes, ALS, optic nerve disorders and 100+ others, and especially for the 1.5 million who die every year from the top four diseases in “death row,” Forget the Embryos, They’re Irrelevant!

  19. Scott Thong Says:

    Thanks for the well written comment, David!

    “the Bangladesh of stem cells”. Lol!

  20. David Granovsky Says:

    Scott-
    Thanks for the kudos! Btw, of my entire article you liked the one comment I lifted from Don Margolis of the Repair Stem Institute (bangladesh of stem cells)!! Too funny!
    Regards-
    David

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