Ultimate Fantastic Four: Why God Allows Us Disobedience (A World of Happy Slaves)

From the comic series Ultimate Fantastic Four, the Silver Surfer story arc:










This is why there needs to be a Forbidden Fruit, a real method by which Adam and Eve could choose to totally reject God – not just choose whether to LOVE GOD LOTS or to LOVE GOD MORE.

If God gave us free will to do ANYTHING we please EXCEPT rebel against him, but we decided we wanted to rebel against Him… Would that really be free will? What we want to do, we cannot.

Hence, the forbidden fruit of rebellion against God.

That is the reason the choice to diobey and rebel against God was given to humanity, who chose it even with the dire cost it entailed.

For truly free will to exist – including the free will to reject God – the choice to rebel against God is necessary.

This is why the God of the Bible, with all His infinite power and wisdom and love…

Gives humanity free will.

Gives us the freedom of choice.

Gives us the capability to reject Him.

Gives us the choice not to love Him.

Gives us the mental capacity to disbelieve in His existence.

Gives us the chance to turn down His offer of salvation and reconciliation through His son, Jesus.

Gives us the permission to choose between sin and obedience. Because the alternative is:


Would that be real happiness? Or just the illusion of it? Can we truly be happy if we have no choice but to be happy?

Gave Adam and Eve the choice to disobey Him by placing the forbidden fruit within their reach.

This is my God… A God who is so powerful, wise and loving, that He will only accept true and genuine love from us – His precious children.

For love that is coerced is not genuine love. Belief that is forced is devoid of faith.

This is my God… Because He gives me the choice to choose.

And I choose Him.


“How do you make someone love you without affecting free will?” – Jim Carrey as Bruce Almighty

“Welcome to my life. If you figure out an answer to that question, let me know.” – Morgan Freeman as God

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3 Responses to “Ultimate Fantastic Four: Why God Allows Us Disobedience (A World of Happy Slaves)”

  1. aredvoice Says:

    so true!!

  2. Stig Says:

    …Makes no sense. The state of mind which Adam & Eve would have been in (had they existed) would have been far from free will, because to have free will requires a degree of intelligence or ‘knowledge’.

    The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, logically, bestowed the eater with knowledge of good and evil.

    God’s instructions (presumably) were ‘Do not eat from the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil’.

    HOWEVER, if Adam & Eve had not eaten from this fruit prior to God telling them not to, they logically did not have any quantifiable knowledge of what ‘Good’ or ‘Evil’ actually were.

    THEREFORE, it is not fair to say that they had free will and were given a CHOICE to eat from the tree or not, because they would have been entirely incapable of knowing whether it would be a ‘good’ or ‘evil’ action to eat from the tree.

    THEREFORE, any instruction God could give them about said Tree would not have had the slightest bearing on their subsequent actions, AND it was not necessary to use a snake to convince them to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil; basically any being with the ability to speak could have instructed them to do so, and they would have done so.

    THEREFORE, Adam and Eve DID NOT REBEL at that part of Genesis; their actions were inevitable, because, like machines, they were merely reacting in the only way they could. To TRULY rebel, they would have chosen to kill themselves after the snake offered them the fruit, cheating both it and God of any kind of punishment.

  3. Scott Thong Says:

    I believe I preemptively answered most of the issues you raise in an earlier comment on a different post. Excerpts slightly modified:


    …the illustration of a child who is not warned that a stove is hot, then proceeds to burn himself on it, thus making it the fault of the parents.

    Yet this does not match the Genesis account, where… God clearly warns Adam in Genesis 2:16-17 :

    And the LORD God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

    Eve then demonstrates her awareness of this command when she speaks in Genesis 3:2-3 :

    The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ “

    Thus it is clear that even if Eve did not have any understanding of the concept of death, she understood that God had told them not to touch the forbidden fruit.

    Thus the illustration of parents who warned the child when that child could not understand does not hold either – Adam and Eve surely understood language, as Genesis records them speaking.

    A more accurate illustration would be a child who has never experienced painful hotness being warned by his parents not to touch the stove because it is hot.

    But like Adam and Eve, the experential understanding of the nature of the danger should not even be a factor, as the person of authority and the person who most loves them already instructed them not to do something.

    It would actually make little difference if God had instead said “for when you eat of it you will surely get a rash/not be happy/dance the macarena.” The important thing is the instruction not to proceed – as one could argue that a warning about any negative thing would not be understood, as nothing bad existed in Eden.

    I continue to hold to my idea of Adam and Eve presuming to be the authority – for just as with the child, what drives them to disobey the authority figure? The child decides that he knows better and he should be the boss of himself, and mum and dad only forbid him from eating a entire tub of ice-cream because they are mean and don’t want him to enjoy a good thing.

    Did it not cross Adam and Eve’s minds that it would be exciting and good if they could decide for themselves what to eat or not to eat?

    To wit, you argue that Adam and Eve pre-forbidden-fruit were like machines. But machines do not need to understand consequences such as reward and punishment. They only need to ‘understand’ (correctly interpret) their orders.

    Let’s take the example of a PC running on Windows. When you command it to open a document, it does not actually comprehend these human concepts of ‘open’ and ‘document’ – it merely follows its pre-programmed response to double clicking with the mouse on the document’s graphic. Nor does it comprehend or even imagine the possibility of the consequence of refusing and refusing to open that document – such as a frustrated used smashing it on his credenza desk.

    Now going back to Adam and Eve, these ‘machines’ were given a clear directive by their programmer not to eat a certain fruit. Yet upon the instigation of an outside influence, they proceeded to go against that directive. Whether or not they understood what the consequence of ‘die’ does not come into consideration – the fact of the matter is that they disobeyed a direct command.

    Would we not classify this as a rebellion if it were a 21st-century robot directly disobeying an order given by its human master? A clear violation of the Second Law of Robotics requiring that U.S. Robotics dismantle the offending robot before a public outcry erupts?

    But… I disgress, since I personaly believe that Adam and Eve had free will – as they demonstrated by choosing to disobey God’s commands, something which a mindless machine should not be able to do. (And the metaphor for Jesus Christ intervening on humanity’s behalf would be Detective Spooner, natch!)

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