Obama Irreverently Flings Rose at Ground Zero


McCain gently, respectfully, reverently lays a rose at the site of Ground Zero to commemorate the victims of 9/11.

Obama chucks it.

Via Michelle Malkin – Etiquette: A Tale of Two Roses:

RESTECP. (sic, go watch Ali G in Da House.)

Video angle 1:

Video angle 2:

As a commentor at Malkin notes, the first 30 seconds of the second video show how Obama doesn’t bother to shake hands with lowly public servants (the real heros of 9/11) while McCain does.

He must have been too preoccupied pondering how to better sympathize with 9/11-style terrorists.

Even without saying anything (having agreed to no-speeches at on 9/11), Obama demonstrates how truly below McCain’s calibre he is.

UPDATE 15 Sept 2008: This Video tipped by commentors below, jezb1 and then Heavenly, shows Obama shaking hands with various bystanders and also RINO and then ex-Republican Michael Bloomberg tossing a rose in the same fashion as Obama:

Michelle Malkin also has this update:

Some readers are complaining about Joe W.’s comments, interpreting it to mean that Obama didn’t shake any firefighters’ hands. I think he simply meant the ones standing that line. Obama shook plenty of hands during the rest of the ceremony.


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109 Responses to “Obama Irreverently Flings Rose at Ground Zero”

  1. chandran Says:

    Ah Obama is a drowning man anyway:

    “There is a growing sense of doom among Democrats I have spoken to . . . People are going crazy, telling the campaign ‘you’ve got to do something’.”

    Concern was greatest among first-term representatives who won seats in traditionally Republican districts in the landslide of 2006. “Several of them face a real fight to hold on to those seats,” the fundraiser said.

    Tony Podesta, a senior Democratic lobbyist, said members of Congress were “a little nervous” after Mr McCain shook up the race with his choice of Sarah Palin as running mate and intensified attacks on Mr Obama.

    “Republicans have been on the offensive for the past two weeks . . . You don’t win elections on the defensive.”

    The campaign manager for a first-term Democratic congressman from a blue-collar district in the north-east rejected suggestions that Mr Obama had become a liability. He said his candidate would reach out to Republicans and avoid attacks on Mr McCain.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c2f69ce-8031-11dd-99a9-000077b07658.html

  2. See thru Says:

    It is always difficult to know what to do at somber events, yet it looks like Obama may not have figured it out. It should be noted that it is the little tokens that people remember. Bill Clinton, even with all of his negatives knew how to at least fake personal warmness at these types of events. Obama’s lack of grace to the fire fighter and workers may have been an oversight – but it still speaks volumes about his character.

    You have to add this to the refusal to hold his hand over his heart during the National Anthem or his sneering at flag pins, he is simply uncomfortable with Nationalism and signs of patriotism, yet he wishes to lead this country.

    How?

  3. Kim Says:

    You people are insane. I am sure the entire day was trying for both candidates. You truely have too much time on your hands to sit an ANALYS how someone put down a rose.
    At many funerals people throw roses onto the casket. it is not disrespectful.
    Get a life and get to the issues, focus on what’s important.
    4 years of the same bull we have now, or Change.
    A candidate that chooses a VP based on merit, or because she’s female.
    If I were Ms. Palin I would have thrown the nomination for VP in his face and said – how dare you choose me mearly for being a woman. but obviously she is like most republicans and only looking out for her own career and lining her pockets rather than the welfare of the country.

  4. Scott Thong Says:

    So how come Obama didn’t throw in the towel when his greatest qualification is being half Black?

  5. silicon valley girl 4 Says:

    Obama shows his true colors — he “shows” America how he feels about 9-11 and what happened that awful day. Communications is 90% non-verbal. Obama “speaks” volumes about his true feelings. All Obama has is his “words”.

    Actions speak louder…than words. Never forget.

  6. Karolyn Says:

    I noticed Obama’s “flinging” of the rose in contrast to Senator McCain and Cindy, gently and respectfully placing the roses at ground zero. At that moment, of course, I had read none of the comments. I was immediately offended. I am glad to note that others noticed also.

  7. Sandra Says:

    Barack Obama has “flunked” speaking without a teleprompter in several venues, most especially in Bristol, VA. (watch on Youtube)

    Barack Obama has now “flunked” non-verbal communication.

    Something else I noticed yesterday. McCain, Obama and Mrs. McCain and Mayor Bloomberg were together. McCain courteously motioned Obama to go first in shaking hands on a receiving line. Obama then started a conversation with the first person on the line, leaving the McCains and Bloomberg standing there. I’m sure his “posse” cheered. I did not.

  8. wits0 Says:

    You just can’t hide your subconscious thoughts and feelings so very tidily in a Mental Universe. It will surface inadvertently in gestures and Freudian slips, e.g.

  9. JC_AZ Says:

    Where is Ms “for the first time I am proud of my country” Obama? She did not have time for this?

  10. JC_AZ Says:

    The two most arrogant people to ever have sight on the White House as a residence… Even the Kerry’s and the Kennedy’s understood the pride associated with the office and the STUFF that it takes to occupy it.

  11. UNBELIEVABLE Says:

    You gotta be kidding me? This is petty nonsense, a junior high response to what should never have ever been a thought, let alone a discussion. There is a war going on in the middle east, a crisis b/w Russia & Georgia, numerous earthquakes, hurricanes, devastation, hunger, darfur, not to mention domestic economic crisis issues, etc… and people are actually discussing how a man chooses to drop a rose at a memorial site. UNBELIEVABLE. what is this dr. phil, body language reading 101? get outta here w/ all of this petty, ridiculous & embarrassing focus on zero substance non issues. another example of people getting caught up & lost. all of this “petty” juvenile finger pointing is not doing much except damaging the GOP. GOP & supporters are behaving like 5th grade finger pointing, tattle telling, juvenile manipulating children. it’s embarrassing.

  12. Zen Says:

    What do you expect from the most liberal person in our government? Their favorite bastion of their version of the news The Daily KOS actually celebrated Twin Towers Day yesterday. Pond scum, pure and simple.

  13. Heavenly Says:

    The reason why John McCain did not fling his rose is because he has a hard time moving his arms or move his arm to a 90 degrees angle. If you look closely he was trying to fling it but couldn’t. Obama flung his rose into one of the squares that represent the Twin Towers. He did not throw it out of disrespect. Also I guess a lot of American citizens don’t respect 9/11 because they also flung their roses in the monument.

    You guess are making a issue where there is not one. Please focus on real issue not made up issues.

  14. wits0 Says:

    Yes, Zen, lets not refuse to see that he favors appeasement, and is ever ready to experiment with no-conditional talks with the most outrageous tyrants around. Experiment at everyone’s peril, i.e. He would make a Prez 4 times as dangerous as Dhimmi Carter, in making the world a more dangerous place. Bad guys don’t respect weaknesses but he refuses to face this simple truism, like all leftards. Deceitful wannabe too.

  15. miriam Says:

    STUPID!!!! all of you stupid people that takes up for that disrespectful loser obama !!! must be used to mental wards!!! Obama is the most disrespectful (human?) that I have ever seen…wake-up stupid people and see him for what he really stands for..his wife did not show because she is even more hateful of America that he is…..if he becomes our president that is the start of the end!!!! WAKE-UP STUPID !!!!!!!

  16. Heavenly Says:

    The reason why Obama’s wife didn’t show up is because they have younger children . “Michelle Obama, the Democratic nominee’s wife, remained at home in Chicago, where her two daughters are going through the first week of school.”

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/09/mccain_obama_ground_zero_onwar.html

    Even though 9/11 was a time to remember the dead and the brave people that lost their lives it is not a holiday meaning that life still had to go on as usual.

    People who have young children still need to do what is best for their kids, so if you are going to fault the Obamas for doing that then you will be putting fault on many American families for doing the same thing.

    Please stop making this an issue when their is none.

  17. Less Heavenly Says:

    WOW!
    Only Obama & Michele have children. The rest who were there don`t. Hmmm I wonder who the little ones there were – dwarves maybe.
    Amerika is in the outhouse with zero population growth thisaway.

  18. Less Heavenly Says:

    Dwarves?
    http://www.groundzeromuseumworkshop.com/child.htm

  19. Less Heavenly Says:

    Among the speakers at ground zero were three children who were very young when their father went to work at the World Trade Center seven years ago.
    Whaddya know, Dwarves can talk:
    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080912/NEWS07/809120400

  20. Heavenly Says:

    @less Heavenly

    I am not saying that Michelle and Barack are the only ones with children, but it is their choice to have one of them to stay at home on that very important day for the sake of their kids. Maybe she talked them about what 9/11 is all about, who knows.

    But to fault her for staying back in Chicago with their children is wrong. Even though her husband is running for President, she is not. She is still a working mom just like Sarah Palin.

    I also find it kind of funny how people are so offended when others question Sarah Palin on her views and opinions as a working mom, but then on the other hand it’s ok to spur hateful things towards Michelle Obama (also a working mom) for her views and opinion, and she is not even running for President or Vice President.

    Is it because she’s a Democratic or because she is black?

  21. Less Heavenly Says:

    “I also find it kind of funny …”

    I`m amused too that when Sarah Palin carries a baby on stage there`s much frothing at the mouths of Obama supporters.
    But at least we know that Michelle recently said something about being proud being an Amerikan for the first time in her life after so many years.

    We are glad too that, that black amerikan (at least) is finally able to be proud to be Amerikan. So she decided to stay home with her dwarves. We are happy for her.

  22. Heavenly Says:

    “Relatives of the 2,751 victims killed at the World Trade Center gathered in a park in lower Manhattan for readings from dignitaries and a recitation of the names of the dead….Among the speakers were three who were young children when their fathers went to work at the World Trade Center seven years ago and never came home. The children are now about 10, 11 and 13.”

    I do believe they were asked to speak there, which I commend those little cuties for being so brave to speak about their love ones in front of so many people.

    But to look down at Michelle Obama or spur hateful things about her just because she decided to stay back in Chicago with her kids is wrong.

    There is no mandatory rule that the wives had to be there at the ceremony.

    Also the McCains have teenage and young adult kids, and Mrs. McCain has been on the road with John McCain campaigning with him, so of cause she would be there with him at the 9/11 ceremony.

  23. Less Heavenly Says:

    The Obamas are a distinguished American family,

    Obama’s friend Bill Ayers:
    “Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars
    and apartments. Bring the revolution home,
    kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at.” -William Ayers

    There will be a new social order when Obama is Prez. We look forward to that.

  24. Less Heavenly Says:

    “There is no mandatory rule that the wives had to be there at the ceremony.”

    No there ain`t. Just as it`s not mandatory to throw roses at memorials. BUT at all memorials, no matter which country, a wreath (or otherwise) is placed with respect not thrown.
    At Diana`s funeral as was viewed on CNN, too they were placing flowers with respect.
    Obama, we know is above all that, throwing roses at swine hmmm. It sounds nice and is an advent of the great New Order that we will see.

  25. Heavenly Says:

    Obama didn’t say that William Ayers did.

    What does that have to do with Obama?…you can’t be serious that just because someone who knows or knew the Obamas say something stupid that it should be a showing on what kind of people the Obamas are.

  26. Heavenly Says:

    “No there ain`t. Just as it`s not mandatory to throw roses at memorials. BUT at all memorials, no matter which country, a wreath (or otherwise) is placed with respect not thrown.
    At Diana`s funeral as was viewed on CNN, too they were placing flowers with respect.”

    Yes that is right it is not mandatory to throw roses it is also not mandatory to place flowers how McCain did either.

    I’ve seen many memorials and saw people tossing flowers on to monuments too.
    And speaking of Diana’s funeral there where many people tossing and throw flowers on to the moving car that had Diana’s body in it, was that disrespectful?

    For what I’ve seen on that video above of Barack he actually tossed his flower into one of the squares that are the symbol of the twin towers.

  27. wits0 Says:

    “What does that have to do with Obama?”

    A tree is known by it fruit.

    A man is known by the company he keeps or one that sent him.

    Valid aphorism enough.

  28. Less Heavenly Says:

    On a moving vehicle one can do nothing less but throw the flowers. The thrower is usually stationary, the other being a moving object.
    But at the stationary venues at Diana`s I distinctly recall no one throwing.

    As for memorials convention is to place the wreath or flowers as MaCain did. I look forward t him throwing flowers at say the Gandhi Memorial in India. That should very much please the Indians.
    Or maybe he`ll do that at Mao Tse Tung`s Memorial in China. That ought to please the Chinese.

  29. Less Heavenly Says:

    Darn, I have to clean that one up a bit:

    As for memorials, convention is to place the wreath or flowers as McCain did. I look forward to Obama throwing flowers at say the Gandhi Memorial in India. That should very much please the Indians.
    Or maybe Obama`ll do that at Mao Tse Tung`s Memorial in China. That ought to please the Chinese.

  30. data Says:

    “The reason why John McCain did not fling his rose is because he has a hard time moving his arms or move his arm to a 90 degrees angle.”

    Barack Obama Campaign Mocks John McCain’s Disability in New Ad!
    http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/09/12/barack-obama-campaign-mocks-john-mccains-disability-in-new-ad/

  31. data Says:

    OK, so the McSame crap is old and tired. We get it, Obama. Now illustrate how exactly it is that you are different and shiny and new… aside from having next to no experience at anything whatsoever. Give us some specifics that don’t include lofty rhetoric, soaring speeches, and 463 “uh’s”.
    http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/09/12/you-stay-classy-obama/

  32. Vet Says:

    Like they say in the National Parks, “Once a bear is hooked on garbage, there’s no cure.”

  33. Heavenly Says:

    @data

    That ad by Obama is about McCain being out of touch with the American people and what the world is like for us today. It has nothing to do with McCain’s disability. There are many people that have worse disabilities than John McCain but they know how to use a computer. Also McCain believes the economy is fine, do you believe that?

    Maybe you and others that believe so much in McCain should be worried about why McCain has to stoop so low at saying lies about Obama instead of getting across what his policies are.

    Something you guys should see…..

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/john-mccain-lie.html

  34. Heavenly Says:

    @data-

    One difference in what Obama would bring if he were elected President is that his tax plan is better for working Americans than for the wealthy…..

    “Obama’s plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

    I don’t know about you but I am not from that 0.1% (wealthy).

  35. Heavenly Says:

    A more detailed explanation on both candidates’ tax plans…..

    http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/candidates_taxproposals_tpc/index.htm

  36. Audacious Says:

    Obama Laundry List Of Lies:
    Barack Obama in 2003, talking to the AFL/CIO:“I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.”In January, 2008, Obama claimed in a nationally televised debate:”I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer.”
    http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/

  37. Audacious Says:

    Senator Obama is being hailed as the newest and freshest face on the American political scene. But he is advocating some of the oldest fallacies, just as if it was the 1960s again, or as if he has learned nothing and forgotten nothing since then.

    He thinks higher teacher pay is the answer to the abysmal failures of our education system, which is already far more expensive than the education provided in countries whose students have for decades consistently outperformed ours on international tests.

    Senator Obama is for making college “affordable,” as if he has never considered that government subsidies push up tuition, just as government subsidies push up agricultural prices, the price of medical care and other prices.

    He is also for “alternative fuels,” without the slightest thought about the prices of those fuels or the implications of those prices. All this is the old liberal agenda from years past, old wine in new bottles, a new face with old ideas that have been tried and failed repeatedly over the past generation.

    Senator Obama is not unique among politicians who want to control prices, as if that is controlling the underlying reality behind the prices.

    There is much current political interest in so-called “predatory lending” — the charging of high interest rates for loans to poor people or to people with low credit ratings.

    Nothing will be easier politically than passing laws to limit interest rates or make it harder for lenders to recover their money — and nothing will cause credit to dry up faster to low-income people, forcing some of them to have to turn to illegal loan sharks, who have their own methods of collecting.
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/obama_on_economics.html

  38. Audacious Says:

    On December 22nd, in a small-town café in Pleasantville, Omaha, Obama was asked a question that typically only circulates on the Internet.
    As he sat down to have a slice of pie with a small group of potential voters and an elderly woman asked him about being Muslim.

    “I’ve always been a Christian,” the Illinois Democrat responded. “I have never practiced [Islam].”Note: The newspaper editors had to add the word, “Islam.”In his autobiography, “Dreams From My Father,” Obama mentions studying the Quran. He was enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim. His teacher Tine Hahiyary said that she remembered that he had studied “mengaji” (recitation of the Quran).”

    Classmate Rony Amiris described Obama as being a very devout Muslim, saying, “Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.” Another classmate, Emirsyah Satar, now the CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, “He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ’sarong.’” (See Obama’s Education.)

    Yet, on his official campaign website, Obama has posted this statement, “Barack has never been a Muslim or practiced any other faith besides Christianity.”Obama’s grandfather was a Muslim. Obama’s father was a Muslim. Obama’s stepfather was a Muslim. His African relatives are Muslims. What was he for the 27 years before his alleged conversion if he wasn’t a Muslim?

    If Obama has always been a Christian, why was he enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim, and why did he study the Quran?And note his Clintonesque defense, “I have never practiced.”

    This is Obama’s biggest problem — his dissimulation.

    Saying, “I’ve always been a Christian,” is a bold-faced lie.

  39. MayaNYCity Says:

    I NOTICED Obama’s lack of respect once again INSTANTLY! It has nothing to do with that we have too much time in our hands…what an ignorant remark…(MUST BE ANOTHER OBOT)…when I am so glad to see it was noticed by so many as it happened “live” without ever reading about it first!!!

  40. ObamaNOT! Says:

    Where was Michelle Obama? I have to say John and Cindy McCain looked so Presidential and American as apple pie…They truly embody the picture and principles of a Noble, Patriotic and to put “Icing on the cake”… A Very Beautiful Presidential Family…Ohhh and LET’s Add Palin and her family to that Gorgeous Presidential Picture for a GRAND SLAM HOME RUN…That’s Change I CAN BELIEVE IN!!!

  41. data Says:

    “That ad by Obama is about McCain being out of touch with the American people and what the world is like for us today. It has nothing to do with McCain’s disability. There are many people that have worse disabilities than John McCain but they know how to use a computer.” – Heavenly

    You strike as being intentionally obnoxious, or are deliberately lying, or are ignorant.
    The new Obama Ad aired yesterday makes fun of John McCain’s inability to email. This is, so far, the cruelest and most insensitive Obama Attack on John McCain.

    Of course he does not do email. His hands were crushed by his Hanoi captors. For Obama to allow this kind of abuse of a national hero – this alone – proves that Obama is unfit to be president and commander in chief.

    Franklin Roosevelt was never accused of not being able to walk while he worked tirelessly to insure that the government did all it could to win World War II.

    Ronald Reagan never used a computer to help him to win the cold war. Barack Obama should not be such a bully. Barack Obama does not do his research.

    The fact that he can’t use email because his captors ruined his hands isn’t just some ad hoc campaign response. This is from a press article from 2004. – “McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes.”

    The Obama Campaign spent months trying to figure how to position Obama as better qualified, and came up with the fact that Obama can type better.

    Is it incompetence that the blind governor of New York David Patterson doesn’t know how to drive a car? After all, transportation issues are pretty important. Would Obama say How dare he serve as governor while being ignorant of what it’s like to navigate New York’s highways.

    Senator John McCain was a natural modern Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate’s savviest technologist, McCain is an avid user of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy.

    The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop.
    As McCain admits: “She’s a whiz on the keyboard, and I’m so laborious,”

    With this ridicule alone of John McCain, Obama should apologize and quit his campaign to be president. He does not deserve to even be considered.

  42. data Says:

    “I don’t know about you but I am not from that 0.1% (wealthy)” – Heavenly

    With Obama you will still end up paying for this – one way or the other: Obama’s Senate Bill S.2433 – A UN Global Tax on the U.S. which allows the United Nations to place a global tax on the world, and specifically, the United States.

    The point here is, while this may never get through the Senate, we have a Presidential candidate, Barack Obama, attempting to make it happen.
    http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2008/04/obamas-senate-bill-s2433-un-global-tax.html

  43. data Says:

    Obama just threw his rose at Ground Zero instead of gently placing it at Ground Zero…
    Now, you might think that this is making a mountain out of a molehill, but when you pile up molehill after molehill you wind up with a mountainous pile of dirt that is hard to miss…

    Consider this: Barack Obama spent most of his formative years in Indonesia and Hawaii. He did not spend them on the Mainland – i.e., America. Therefore, he does not fully understand American customs as well as a child raised in America would.

    Again, one might think that not to be the case, but when you add into the mix the much publicized photo of Obama’s gaffe by being the only politician not to place his hand over his heart for the National Anthem during the Primaries, things start to add up: Because of his polyglot nature, Obama really just doesn’t understand middle America…

    Alright, here is the video. Out of the four videos I viewed on YouTube covering this event, this is the only one that shows Obama throwing his rose – some folks are doing some editing out there…

    The event occurs at about 45 seconds into this video. Notice how McCain is startled for a second when Obama commits the offense. Yup, McCain knows that you don’t throw roses at a casket during a funeral and the same rule of etiquette applies to a Memorial…

  44. Thatzagirl Says:

    “Consider this: Barack Obama spent most of his formative years in Indonesia and Hawaii. He did not spend them on the Mainland – i.e., America. Therefore, he does not fully understand American customs as well as a child raised in America would.”

    That applies to Palin, too, who spent most of her formative years in Alaska, and not on the Mainland, ie. America, right?

    Oh wait – Alaska is “all-American,” Hawaii is “exotic.”

    Jewish people toss dirt and sometimes flowers on graves with the same motion. Are they not American?

    And how the hell do you think that pile grew as big as it did without OTHER people tossing the roses?

    Both men acted appropriately. McCain is an older man with physical limitations so his arm movements are by necessity much more constrained. That’s it. End of subject. There are real issues facing this country; this is not one of them.

  45. Scott Thong Says:

    But it’s fun!!!!

  46. wits0 Says:

    It’s always fun to dismantle lies and conceited fakery.

  47. Susan Finnemore Says:

    Please view the video more closely. There is a large area for flowers which is quite full. Most of those flowers must have been tossed just as many mourners toss flowers into a grave. Please continue to look more closely at the video and note that Mayor Bloomberg (sp?) also tosses his flower. Is he also a terrorist supporter?
    As far as Obama dissing the publice servants by not shaking hands, one must goe to more complete video coverage (try ABC) to see that Obama did indeed interact (speaking, touching, shaking hands) with those people.
    To the person who seems to suggest that other tapes have been edited to lose the footage of Obama tossing his flower, again, try to find more complete coverage (simply google news covereage) before you make such allegation.

  48. snarks Says:

    “Please view the video more closely. There is a large area for flowers which is quite full.”
    So Obama, with no disabilities, couldn`t find space and he had to throw the flower. McCain, with disabilities, found the space.
    That makes McCain a better candidate than Obama anytime.

    “Most of those flowers must have been tossed just as many mourners toss flowers into a grave.”
    But they (including that Jew Bloomberg) are not candidates for POTUS. They could have danced a jig there and it wouldn`t matter.

    “Jewish people toss dirt and sometimes flowers on graves with the same motion.”
    Ah, so Obama is now a Jew. Btw the jews do not toss dirt. The right expression is “clod of earth”. There`s a world of difference.

  49. snarks Says:

    “There are real issues facing this country; this is not one of them.”

    The Messiah demands respect but is unable to give it. That disqualifies him. An empty man in an empty suit. Period.

  50. oink bumps Says:

    Well, Obama candidate for the POTUS, throwing the flower just boils down to the Pig putting lipstick on.

  51. oink bumps Says:

    “That applies to Palin, too, who spent most of her formative years in Alaska, and not on the Mainland, ie. America, right?
    Oh wait – Alaska is “all-American,” Hawaii is “exotic.”

    A pantywaist, touchie feelie does not understand what polyglot means then? Maybe when Obambi the Lipsticked Pig is in the White House he`ll be doing the hula hula eh what hahahaha

  52. Susan Finenomore Says:

    “As far as Obama dissing the publice servants by not shaking hands, one must goe to more complete video coverage (try ABC)….”

    “For Brutus is an honourable man;
    So are they all, all honorable men,–
    Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.”

    Charlie Gibson’s interview with Sarah Palin was heavily edited by ABC News to make Palin appear more hawkish and less knowledgeable. Mark Levin has the complete transcript, and what ABC News tried to pull here is a textbook example of media malfeasance
    http://marklevinshow.com/gibson-interview/

    Also see: ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview But It May Backfire
    http://www.upi.com/news/issueoftheday/2008/09/12/ABCs_Gibson_grilled_Palin_hard_but_it_may_backfire/UPI-81241221234472/

  53. hyuckamerikka Says:

    you’re all horrible faggots

  54. Susan Finnemore Says:

    To Snark Says:
    Your ignorance is overwhelming and says it all.

  55. data Says:

    Oh dear poor susan is hurt and nearly bawling pissing in her panties. Get on to diapers baby, it`s easier.

    hyuckamerikka sure sounds like you could do with some fagotting. You will crap better and your eyesight will improve. Now you are kinda all bottled up. Get your medication today. Get faggotted.

  56. Scott Thong Says:

    but hyuckamerikka…

    Obama supports faggots like us.

  57. more moo Says:

    Hey Susan we all are ignoramuses here, don`t waste your time. Go hang out your with your sister here, the cow gives more milk:
    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/bad_americans/the_atlantic_mo.php

  58. more moo Says:

    As a muslim it is only right Obama, candidate for POTUS, threw the flower. Now he`ll get the Nation Of Islam vote.

  59. Scott Thong Says:

    Obama didn’t say that William Ayers did.

    What does that have to do with Obama?…you can’t be serious that just because someone who knows or knew the Obamas say something stupid that it should be a showing on what kind of people the Obamas are.

    – Heavenly

    Heavenly, the thing is that as this ad shows with refrences, Obama worked together with Bill Ayers and even deeply praised the man – long after Ayers said and did very unpatriotic and downright evil things.

    Obama’s excuse that Obama was just 6 when Ayers did these thigns is not acceptable to me. Obama met with and worked with Ayers in Obama’s adulthood.

    If you met a Nazi extermination camp commander who had evaded capture all these years, do you think just because you weren’t even born when he committed those atrocities makes it any mroe acceptable to lavish praise on him?

  60. jezb1 Says:

    Obama was first to go through the line to shake everyone’s hand and talk to them!!! your video2 posted above conveniently picks up 6 1/2 to 7 minutes too late into the event to witness him doing this right in front of McCain!!!
    Evidence is here! cut and paste into your browser.

  61. Scott Thong Says:

    get outta here w/ all of this petty, ridiculous & embarrassing focus on zero substance non issues. another example of people getting caught up & lost. all of this “petty” juvenile finger pointing is not doing much except damaging the GOP. GOP & supporters are behaving like 5th grade finger pointing, tattle telling, juvenile manipulating children. it’s embarrassing.

    – UNBELIEVABLE

    Dude, are you sure you mean Obama-bashing and the GOP, or Palin-bashing and the liberal media?

    Blatant Anti-Palin Bias in the Liberal Media: A Collection

  62. more moo Says:

    Obama was first to go through the line to shake everyone’s hand and talk to them!!! -jezb1

    Not surprsing that. In fact it lives up to his character to be first on the cameras. A more humble person would have waited for the other one.
    The arrogance drive that propels the muslim. But when it came to the crunch, his Freudian slip matured and the arrogant sob threw the flower.

  63. more moo Says:

    all of this “petty” juvenile finger pointing is not doing much except damaging the GOP.

    So why you worried? Let it damage them, its good for the moslem Bambi iznt it !!

  64. jezb1 Says:

    Obama was first to go through the line to shake everyone’s hand and talk to them!!! -jezb1

    Not surprsing that. In fact it lives up to his character to be first on the cameras. A more humble person would have waited for the other one.
    The arrogance drive that propels the muslim. But when it came to the crunch, his Freudian slip matured and the arrogant sob threw the flower. – More moo

    After the moment of silence, McCain went through the line first to shake others’ hands, then Obama stepped back to allow Cindy to walk behind her husband, then Obama followed her. Seems pretty humble by your definition.

    Doesn’t it bother you the Video Angle 2 posted above was deliberately truncated so that a lie could be told, that lie being that Obama was too good to shake the hands of the lowly servants — that’s an outright lie.

  65. more moo Says:

    No it doesn`t bother me at all. He has to be first, realises his error, take a step back. So what`s new on that Zilch.
    He still threw the fower. Only he couldn`t clamber over, take it back and “place” it. But nooooo that would have been undignified for the haughty mossie.
    He`s nothing but a comedy of errors.

  66. jezb1 Says:

    well, the LIE bothers me, as it should bother anyone who wants to make an accurate assessment of the statements and claims made in this post.

  67. more moo Says:

    More on the comedy of errors:
    “It is a hard climb up the Chicago political ladder. Did Obama get his hands dirty on the way up? Leading American commentator John Kass thinks so. ‘You can’t have the mob so strong without corruption. The only way to rise is to look the other way’.”
    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=91a_1221435617

  68. more moo Says:

    well, the LIE bothers me – some botheration should do you good. Your Black Muslim still threw the flower.

  69. jezb1 Says:

    Yes, he did throw the flower. That is fact. From there, it is open to one’s own opinion what to make of it.

    But NO, he did not ignore the “lowly public servants” by not bothering to shake their hands. To claim he didn’t shake their hands is a LIE, and not a valid fact. From a lie, only invalid opinions can be formed.

  70. more moo Says:

    I`m not at all bothered about the hand shaking. I`m interested in the flower throwing. You be bothered with his hands, and I`ll attend to the flowers.

  71. more moo Says:

    What Did Obama Do At The 9/11 Memorial To Boost McCain’s Poll Ratings?
    Rasmussen Reports – who had Obama and McCain even yesterday – has McCain up by 3 points today….
    What did Obama do yesterday that could have caused this bounce for McCain? Or is it just a continuation of an Obama death spiral since the Palin pick?

    To be honest – I was surprised to see McCain build a lead this late in the week… This must have the Obama camp scared…

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ…tch_up_history

    http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?referrerid=&t=301062

  72. Scott Thong Says:

    The first 30 seconds of the second video DO show Obama not shaking hands. That is an accurate statement. Whether he didn’t shake hands after those 30 seconds is another thing.

    But yes, it does seem implied that he is too aloof to bother to do so… My bad.

  73. jezb1 Says:

    You be bothered with his hands, and I`ll attend to the flowers. – more moo

    Attending the flowers should suit you well. Flowers love manure, and you seem quite capable of spreading it around.

  74. jezb1 Says:

    The first 30 seconds of the second video DO show Obama not shaking hands. That is an accurate statement. Whether he didn’t shake hands after those 30 seconds is another thing. – Scott Thong

    view this video.

    2:30 into it, obama and mccain shake hands with everyone. your video2 above starts about 6 1/2 to 7 minutes into this one. Obama and McCain both shook hands with the public servants present, then there was the flower placing/tossing, a moment of silence, and then both shook hands with every other public servant present, except McCain missed two of them.

  75. more moo Says:

    “Flowers love manure, and you seem quite capable of spreading it around.”

    So true. And then you eat the vegetables/animals grown in/on manure. `Xept that in your case it seeps into your brains as well.

  76. jezb1 Says:

    well, more moo, that launches a whole other discussion into the circle of life, of which we are all a part of. You are one of the more entertaining commenters, at the least.

  77. more moo Says:

    Hahaha someone`s foaming at the mouth when the Black Muslim`s ratings go down for throwing manured flowers.
    Makes my day hahahahaha

    “You are one of the more entertaining commenters, at the least.”

    Wait till you meet the others.

  78. jezb1 Says:

    regardless who wins, wouldn’t you rather the voters make a decision based on facts and issues, rather than invalid information and smear tactics? The American people are drowning in this kind of stuff.

  79. more moo Says:

    They are being entertained. I doubt that`s the same as drowining.

  80. more moo Says:

    An Electoral College tidal wave has followed the surge of interest in the rejuvenated Republican presidential ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin, nearly erasing a once-daunting Democratic advantage and creating a race for the White House that is nearly dead-level even.
    http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Zogby_McCain_Surges/2008/09/13/130504.html

    Electoral College Tie Could Put Pelosi in White House

  81. jezb1 Says:

    point taken.

    But do you think everyone sees through the ‘spin’, or even has time to investigate more thoroughly what they hear, read, watch? It’s time consuming, and requires access to the right resources…

  82. more moo Says:

    Doesn`t matter really. It`s entertainment and elections are in November. Anything can happen till then.

  83. more moo Says:

    Meanwhile, reports coming from Israel continue to suggest it may be preparing for a military strike on Iran.
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/?pageId=75278

  84. Scott Thong Says:

    point taken.

    But do you think everyone sees through the ’spin’, or even has time to investigate more thoroughly what they hear, read, watch? It’s time consuming, and requires access to the right resources…

    – jezb1

    That’s exactly what’s happening to Palin, only perpetrated by the entire Obama-aligned liberal MSM and fifty-fold!

    See Blatant Anti-Palin Bias in the Liberal Media: A Collection. 52 separate examples (with links) and counting.

  85. jezb1 Says:

    It happens from both sides.

  86. tryst Says:

    Obama claims his proposal would lower taxes for 95 percent of Americans, but well over 43 million tax returns, one-third of all those filed, already reflect an income tax liability of zero. In fact, Obama says, his plan would eliminate income taxes for an additional 10 million taxpayers. What he is really proposing, therefore, is not tax relief but a bald transfer of cash – $1,000 per family, he pledges – from the wealthiest Americans to everyone else. In 1972, George McGovern advocated something similar – a $1,000 “demogrant” for every US citizen. Just last year, Hillary Clinton suggested that the government start off every new baby with a $5,000 savings account. Voters didn’t take the bait when McGovern and Clinton offered it. Here’s betting they won’t take it now.
    http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2008/09/truth-about-obamanomics.html

  87. Heavenly Says:

    jezb1-

    I am so with you and thanks for adding that other video.

    The majority of the people on this blog don’t care that Scott Thong lied to make Obama look bad….take my advice stop giving this jerk comment numbers because that is all he cares about.

    He made up a lie that Obama didn’t shake the peoples hand and that he flung the rose (which he did but he wasn’t the only one to do that too) NY mayor Michael Bloomberg (a Republican) also flung his rose and even harder than Obama flung his.

    I wonder why the jerk of this blog didn’t mentions that?
    It’s sad that the only way to make their candidate look good is to make the other candidate (Obama) look bad by spinning nothing into something.

    So please don’t give this jerk anymore recognition because he doesn’t care about the truth.

  88. bitchslapper Says:

    Hahahahaha the masochist is back for more orgasms.

  89. Scott Thong Says:

    Gimme a break lady!

    I have literally over a hundred comments to sift through and more than 30 new editorial cartoons to put up using raw html.

    I’ll get to it when I get to it!

    In the mean time, take up your case with Michelle Malkin and her commentor – which as I posted above, are the source of my videos and also of the ‘didn’t shake hands’ comment.

    While you’re at it, go after the smear merchants at Daily Kos and Democratic Underground. If you can get them to stop flinging mud at Palin, such as the Trig-is-Bristol’s-Baby debunked allegation, hey – I’ll drop everything and update this post RIGHT NOW!!!!

  90. bitchslapper Says:

    Yeah, and take your dildo over to Jill Greenberg too, it`s Heavenly with her ROTFL

  91. bitchslapper Says:

    Jill Greenberg-McCain the ghoul
    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/14/the-atlantic-should-have-googled-jill-greenberg-before-hiring-her/

  92. Ugh Says:

    No wonder our Holy Obama won`t be seen anywhere near EVIL McCain. Just take a look at the disgusting republican`s pics:
    http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/bad_americans/the_atlantic_mo.php

  93. Shamsudin Says:

    Obama throwing the follower is right as true muslim. Twin towers was only small payment for all crusaders sins against islam. Allahu Akbar.

  94. Shamsudin Says:

    Only with 9/11 muslims can have a muslim in White House now. Our martyrs died bravely.

  95. Shamsudin Says:

    “I wouldn’t want to create the impression that I wouldn’t like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future…Ibrahim Hooper, CAIR

    Syariah is the way. Not your corrupted constitution of man making.

  96. ham Says:

    Hell will freeze over before the White House becomes the Green House – and that means Obama son of Hussein ain`t making the grade.

  97. wits0 Says:

    Fakir or fakeer : Def. A Muslim or Hindu mendicant monk who is regarded as a holy man.

    Keyword, “regarded as”(by who?)

    Ham, not just NoBama, but No MoBama most especially. Mo Manchurian candidate at this point of time.

  98. wits0 Says:

    Say NO to Mo Manchurian candidate at this point of time.

    He claims to be a Christian but won’t even take up a Christian name after nearly two decades of being a “Christian” from a weird church. He needed “Hussein” to be an open code to signal to his brothers for support.

  99. data Says:

    The Fakir is a Faker: Barack Obama Embellishes His Resume

    mDon’t get me wrong – I’m a big fan of Barack Obama, the Illinois freshman senator and hot young Democratic Party star. But after reading his autobiography, I have to say that Barack engages in some serious exaggeration when he describes a job that he held in the mid-1980s. I know because I sat down the hall from him, in the same department, and worked closely with his boss. I can’t say I was particularly close to Barack – he was reserved and distant towards all of his co-workers – but I was probably as close to him as anyone. I certainly know what he did there, and it bears only a loose resemblance to what he wrote in his book.

    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/did-obama-turn-down-a-wall-street-career

  100. Scott Thong Says:

    Syariah is the way. Not your corrupted constitution of man making.

    – Shamsudin

    Shamsudin, speaking of ‘corrupted’… Did you realize that your shyariah laws are probably extremely corrupted as well? Allow me to give you a lesson on Islamic history straight from the Islamic texts.

    Please read the following from Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 61, Number 510:

    Narrated Anas bin Malik:

    Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan.

    Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’an, so he said to ‘Uthman, “O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Quran) as Jews and the Christians did before.”

    So ‘Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, “Send us the manuscripts of the Qur’an so that we may compile the Qur’anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you.”

    Hafsa sent it to ‘Uthman. ‘Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, ‘Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and ‘AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies.

    ‘Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, “In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur’an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur’an was revealed in their tongue.”

    They did so, and when they had written many copies, ‘Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa.

    ‘Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, AND ORDERED THAT ALL THE OTHER QUR’ANIC MATERIALS, WHETHER WRITTEN IN FRAGMENTARY MANUSCRIPTS OR WHOLE COPIES, BE BURNT.

    Said bin Thabit added, “A Verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur’an and I used to hear Allah’s Apostle reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuzaima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was): ‘Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.’ (33.23)

    Therefore, you see how the Hadith (which is considered by Muslims to be surpassed only by the Quran as Allah’s word) records that Caliph Uthman compiled the Quran. He then burned all other copies.

    Now, please note that according to Islam, only Allah and the Prophets are perfect and incapable of mistakes.

    Caliph Uthman was not a Prophet. Neither were the men Zaid bin Thabit, ‘Abdullah bin AzZubair, Said bin Al-As and ‘AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham who did the actual compilation of the Quran.

    Can you say for certain that these imperfect men DID NOT MAKE ANY MISTAKES when they compiled the Quran?

    Recall that they were all aware of and afraid of differences and disagreements in recitation of Suras. And that Said bin Thabit actually missed a verse before he realized his error and quickly tracked down the missing verse.

    How certain are you that these few men did not miss any other verses or Suras? How sure are you that they remembered every single saying of Mohammad?

    Many verses of the Quran were written on leafs or stones. The Hadiths also say that the Suras were memorized by followers of Mohammad.

    But over time, many of these leafs and stones were being lost. And many of the followers who had memorized the entire Quran were being killed in battle.

    This is why Caliph Uthman wanted to compile the Quran into a book form. But this also shows how much of the Suras could have already been lost forever, through time, decay and battle.

    Can you know for sure that Caliph Uthman and his followers did not leave out some verses, or accidentally add in Suras that Mohammad never actually said?

    They destroyed all the other copies of the Quran that they – fallible and imperfect, ordinary men – decided were not ‘good enough’ to be the ‘real Quran’. So you cannot check and compare that they did the job correctly!

    There was no ‘agreement’ by the caliphs – Caliph Uthman and his four followers did this all by themselves.

    So I ask you, can you still say for sure that the Quran was not changed at all?

    And if the Quran was changed, then syariah law which is based on it is no longer trustworthy.

    What say you?

  101. wits0 Says:

    I just viewed it and the Fakir did fling the flower(s):

  102. huthrun Says:

    Obama throwing the flower was capitalising, (in addition to his muslim religion), on McCain`s disability i.e. he[Obama] is a fitter person .
    Only thing, is it has got him in fits after the 3% lead it gave McCain. A right proper twit this Black Muslim poseur.

  103. huthrun Says:

    Ya know why Obama “tossed” the rose, which I believe is slang for sell/snort cocaine, do ya?
    Well he did it show up McCain who,—when he was a POW, did ya know that he was a POW, did ya? Well he was, was beaten so badly that he cannot life his arms above his knees to type. Obama, see, lifted his arms way in the air.
    This is a slap in the face of POWs and the arthritic everywhere. So there.

  104. bother marx Says:

    With the election around the corner, BHO supporters only venture weasel words on that issue, as everyone that want to see can see… It’s ridiculous supporters trying to create a diversion. That toss isn’t the only factor that bring to the voters that are not blind in passion the real image of BHO… We hope and pray that the nation awake before go to the poles…

  105. brother marx Says:

    Excuse my fault. I don’t want bother with my name. The correct is bRother marx,or, brother…

  106. ms. helga Says:

    WORLD’S GREATEST ANAGRAMS OR PROOF THERE IS A GOD

    1- GEORGE BUSH rearranged is HE BUGS GORE
    2- AL GORE is LA (Spanish for “THE”) OGRE( a monster who eats people.)
    3- GEORGE SOROS translates to SOS OGRE GORE
    4- DORMITORY becomes DIRTY ROOM
    5- EVANGELIST is EVIL’S AGENT
    6- PRESBYTERIAN turns to BEST IN PRAYER
    7- DESPERATION is A ROPE ENDS IT
    8- THE MORSE CODE rearranged is HERE COME DOTS
    9- SENATOR TED KENNEDY turns out to DONKEY RAT NEEDS NET
    10- SLOT MACHINES becomes CASH LOST IN ME.
    11- ANIMOSITY turns to IS NO AMITY
    12- MOTHER-IN-LAW (This one is good) WOMAN HITLER
    13- SNOOZE ALARMS becomes ALAS! NO MORE Z”S
    14- A DECIMAL POINT turns to I’M A DOT IN PLACE
    15- NANCY PELOSI is A CO-LENIN SPY
    16- SEN. HARRY REID becomes A DINER SHERRY(yuck)
    17- THE EARTHQUAKES is THAT QUEER SHAKE
    18– ELEVEN PLUS TWO becomes TWELVE PLUS ONE
    19- PRINCESS DIANA changes to ENDS IN CAR SPIN
    20- JOHN KERRY becomes HORNY JERK
    21- SEN. JOHN EDWARDS is WE- DR. DEAN’S “JOHNS”
    22- NANCY PELOSI becomes – LIE’N CYAN(blue) POS
    23- SENATOR DURBIN – becomes – SENORA TURDBIN
    24- SENATOR DICK DURBIN- changes to – A SENOR TURDBIN DICK
    25- KATIE COURIC – changes to – CIAO CUTE IRK
    26-=2 0CHRIS MATTHEWS – becomes – SHH -SCREAM TWIT
    27- TIM RUSSERT – changes to MISS TURRET (def-spindle tool )
    28- NATALIE MAINES( DIXIE CHICK) turns out to – INANIMATE SEAL
    29- VALERIE PLAME – becomes – LIVE EEL PARMA(cheese)
    30- TED TURNER – changes to – TREED RUNT
    31- TERRY McAULIFFE – becomes – A RECTUM FIRE-FLY
    32 – SENATOR TOM HARKIN – changes to – A TIN-HORN MAKES ROT
    33 – BELINDA STRONACH – becomes – A RIBALD STENCH – NO?
    34 – JOE SCARBORO – changes to – COOR’S BAR JOE
    35 – KEITH OLBERMANN – turns into – A TINKLEN HOMBRE
    36 – KEITH OLBERMANN – changes to – ILK BORN METHANE
    37 – KEITH OLBERMANN – becomes – ENEMA BROTH KILN
    38 – MOVEON-ORG – changes to – MOON GROVE
    39 – SENATOR BARRACK OBAMA – becomes old hillbilly saying – “A RACK-O-EARS TAN BOOB-MA ! ”
    40 -BILL SCHNEIDER – changes to – RED’S LIB LICHEN (a fungus)
    41 – COLIN POWELL – becomes – PEW ! ILL COLON
    42 – BERNIE MADOFF – turns into – OFF – BIRD ENEMA.
    43 – SENATOR CARL LEVIN – becomes – A CLAN’S LIE’N VOTER.
    44 -SANDY BERGER – turns to – GRABS RED YEN
    45 – WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON
    becomes -JAIL MRS CLINTON:FELON WIFE
    46 – PRESIDENT CLINTON OF THE U SA
    becomes -TO COPULATE HE FINDS INTERNS
    ;
    AND THE GRAND FINAL
    47 – PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA becomes – AN ARAB BACKED IMPOSTER

    Send this to 1000 friends or 1000 times to one enemy.

  107. Scott Thong Says:

    Hahaha! Here are more Obama anagrams! Just a select few as examples:

    “President Obama”

    It Namedrops Abe
    Snob Made Pirate
    A Tribesman Dope
    A TARP Monies Bed
    Diaper Men Boast
    A Pained Mobster
    Snob Team Diaper
    Bandmaster Opie
    Inert Samba Dope

  108. Nasaei Ahmad Says:

    Sorry Brth Thong if I’m using the wrong thread/ link. I’m not good at computer or blog. I couldnt get back to our previous communications. I believe because my yahoo email account has a problem (recently it reminded users to re-register – may be because of this).

    The issue of burning of earlier Quran verses and its compilation by Caliph Uthman is not an issue at all to Muslims. Generally (and of majority) we Muslims do not have any ill-faith in it, really. But you quoted that sahih (authentic) Bukhari hadith a number of times to raise doubt (to your doubtful self).

    Burning of the written Quran (parts/ books) happened till today. If you go to Quran printers, you will know what they do with the spoilt parts – they burn it. At Muslims’ homes, if a ‘mushaf’ (any written Quranic verses of any forms) is incomplete, lost it portions due to wear and tear, we burn it anytime. Because if we keep them, it might be loosen or scattered even in unclean places. This prohibited. It cannot be stepped over also. like a “taboo” more or less.

    If I ask you, WHY UTHMAN ASKED CERTAIN ‘VERSIONs’ of the earlier Quran to be burned, maybe you dont have the answer. (Note: Not like Bible, literally Quran has only one ‘version’ but earlier ones had no reading signs (kasra, fatha, tanween) like today’s copies. Without these reading signs, very difficult for non-Quraish/non Arab to read correctly because it was a plain letters/ characters. In Arabic for example, “jamaal means beutiful (e.g for woman name), but “jamal” means camel. It is spelt exactly the same number of letter. So Uthman wanted it to be uniform. As the “forgortten” left verses by Zaid etc.. I don’t know. All muslim believe is, as Quran itself tells, Allah is the sole protecter that preserve Quran, not Uthman, Zaid etc. You must know for sure why Uthman burned them, not just cut and paste that Bukhari works.

    To compare with the Bible, as I said before, not need for me to suplly to you the contradictions, its hanky panky, status etc. Just type on your internet, you’ll find hundreds of them. Never been reconciled. The whole world knows. It not a heresays or else. It is fact. Perhaps you also know what William Campbell said about it ? “The most confused book ever printed in the world”. Not Bart Ehrman alone. Sir William Muir said more or less the same. Christian themselves said that, NOT Muslims!

    Allah says in Quran no ones capable of creating another Quran, not even its surah or numbers of verses. Millions of Christian Arabs whose mother toungue is Arabic failed to create one – for 1400 yrs. No one capable. Because it is protected and preserved by Allah God Almighty. Read what Andrew Rippin (a professor and scholar said- he said no one capable, impossible to produce such a kind). You can say this ” Errr.. no one also capable of creating Bible as well..!” or else… I say this: The BIbile at hand is already been imitated, corrupted but you keep going, keep believing in it. It riddled with many interpolations, but you keep believeing it. SINCERELY Brthr. I think it is worth pondering because it is facts known worldwide. When I said it contain indecencies/ pornography that immposible to be intact, impossible to be word of God.. then you returned to me by saying Quran is also the same ! HAVE YOU READ QURAN before ? Before you say that (the same) ? Because of little knowledge about Quran, you missed the target, hit the wrong tree.

  109. Scott Thong Says:

    Your comment and my reply resposted at https://scottthong.wordpress.com/2008/11/10/the-obamessiah/#comment-35885

    If you forget where it is at the next time, it is actually very easy to find – the top right corner of my blog’s main page has a big picture of Obama that is a link to the post where we are discussing.

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