Parody of Obama’s Muslim Faith Denials: Francis Xavier Christianson denies he is a Catholic


On a tip from wits0, from Free Republic:

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PARODY of OBAMA’s MUSLIM FAITH DENIALS (“Francis Xavier Christianson denies he is a Catholic”)

My name is Francis Xavier Christianson… AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU KEEP ASKING ME IF I’M CATHOLIC?

Oh — i get it! just because my dad was born in Italy and — well i guess that is a Catholic country… you naturally assume that I’m Catholic or something — still that’s a big leap isn’t it?

Ok, ok, sure – my dad WAS Catholic and he (and mom) gave me a Christian name… and of course it is also true that all of dad’s realtives (including my half-siblings) are Catholic…

And yes, sure my half-siblings will TELL you that I’m Catholic but how would they know? That’s just what my dad told them!

Before you bring it up — I’ll admit it — my step-father was also a Catholic and he did move my mom and me to Spain — which is also (I guess) a Catholic country — and sure he registered me on official government documents as a “Catholic”… but that was really just a… well… a silly little typo (that he kept making over and over)

SO — NOW THAT I HAVE CLEARED THAT UP — WHY DO YOU INSIST ON ASKING ME IF I’M A CATHOLIC?

Just because I recently slipped-up in a TV interview and discussed “My Christian Faith?”

People forget their religious beliefs all the time! Once I thought I was Jewish for a whole weekend! Heck — for at least the last 18 months or so I’ve thought I was Jesus!

Sure, I went by the name Barry — ummm — I mean “Frank” for a little while in High School — but then I made a big point of insisting later that everyone call me “Francis Xavier” — because I really, really wanted to emphasize how NOT Catholic I am. ’cause I’m not — really — I swear. See, a REAL Catholic wouldn’t swear right?

And is it my fault that a whole bunch of famous “Catholics” love me and want me to be president? I can’t control what Father Farahkan — err “Father Flanagan” has to say! It’s a free country (for the moment anyway.)

SO — WHY DO YOU KEEP ASKING ME IF I’M CATHOLIC?

IS IT BECAUSE YOU ARE RACISTS?

I’d be careful if I were you… my wife Michelle has plans for dealing with racists like you after the election…

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See references for the above and related at:

  • Another Obama Freudian Slip: “My Muslim Faith”
  • Obama my Muslim faith cartoon

  • Who Says Obama Was a Muslim? Why, Himself of Course!
  • – He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school. Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

  • Obama’s 57 States: A Muslim Freudian Slip? – With the references for his childhood in Indonesia as Barry Soetero, attending Koran classes, official religion listed as Islam on school enrolment documents, his relatives who consider him definitely Muslim, and his support from radical Islamist groups
  • Buraq Hussein Obama
  • What Kind of Christian is Obama?
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    23 Responses to “Parody of Obama’s Muslim Faith Denials: Francis Xavier Christianson denies he is a Catholic”

    1. hutchrun Says:

      Liberal Outrage: A Pro-McCain March In Manhattan

    2. thenonconformer Says:

      Does Obhama the professing Christian got to th ebars to drinl alcohol with the alocholiss still as i saw him do it on TV now?

    3. jezb1 Says:

      To thenonconformer:

      I don’t know if Obama the professing Christian goes to the bars to drink alcohol, but if he wanted to go hang out with all those “Joe Six Packs”, I’m sure he’d be greatly welcomed in the Wasilla bars Sarah Palin helped keep open all night while she was on the city council.

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-palin-alcoholoct05,0,7731371.story

      Sarah Palin’s Opposition to Bar Crackdown Surprised Some

      Sarah Palin may be the heroine of the religious right, but Rev. Gene Straatmeyer vividly recalls a public run-in he once had with the now Republican vice presidential candidate over clergy support for a crackdown on bars.

      It was August 1996, just weeks before Palin’s election as mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska. And Straatmeyer, a local Presbyterian minister and head of two church coalitions, testified at a City Council hearing for a measure to shorten the traditional 5 a.m. last call by a few hours. The city’s police chief asked for it to combat a wave of drunken driving and spousal abuse.

      Palin built her subsequent political rise to Alaska governor and a spot on the national Republican ticket by actively courting the support of Christian evangelicals. But on that night, then councilwoman Palin stunned Rev. Straatmeyer by not only opposing the idea but also sternly lecturing him to butt out.

      “She said, ‘I go to Assembly of God Church and I am a Sunday school teacher there and I see no relationship between my Christian faith and what hours the bars close,’ ” recalled Straatmeyer, now living in Texas. “She felt it was out of line for me to testify on behalf of the church groups I represented.”

      The bar flap represents a pivotal interlude in the political development of Palin, who sided with local saloon keepers and cast the deciding vote against a measure to reset pub closing times to 2:30 a.m. weekdays and 3 a.m. weekends. Tavern owners then rallied around Palin’s successful challenge to Wasilla’s longtime mayor, with campaign records showing that two of them alone provided 15 percent of the campaign cash she took in from supporters.

      Within months of taking office, Palin fired veteran Wasilla Police Chief Irl Stambaugh, the author of the bar hour reduction plan.

    4. AliSina Says:

      Vaknin says, “When the narcissist reveals his true colors, it is usually far too late. His victims are unable to separate from him. They are frustrated by this acquired helplessness and angry at themselves for having failed to see through the narcissist earlier on.”

      Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. Brendan Farrington, reported, evidence indicates that some black Republicans are switching parties to vote for Obama. He wrote, “Florida has 81,512 more black Democrats compared to a loss of 784 black Republicans; Louisiana has 34,325 more black Democrats, while the number of black Republicans dropped by 907; North Carolina has 92,356 more black Democrats and 2,850 fewer black Republicans. The only three states that track voting registration by party and race show black Republican registration dropping slightly since the beginning of the year.”

      Let us call a spade a spade. This is racism, pure and simple. The truth is that while everyone carries a misconceived collective guilt towards the blacks for wrongs done centuries ago by a bygone people to a bygone people, the blacks carry a collective rancor, enmity or vendetta towards non-blacks and to this day want to “stand up” to the whiteman. They seem to be stuck in 19th century.

      The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites. The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama’s detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites. The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960s. Obama will set the clock back decades.

      America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America, and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations. It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as predident.

      http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

    5. AliSina Says:

      The nut doesn`t fall far from the tree:

    6. AliSina Says:

      The nut doesn`t fall far from the tree:
      4.bp.blogspot.com/_9Bx0L3n3uAo/SPN31O8aBeI/AAAAAAAADGc/l6YT6yjpdv8/s1600-h/obamaacorn.jpg

    7. thenonconformer Says:

      >>I don’t know if Obama the professing Christian goes to the bars to drink alcohol, but if he wanted to go hang out with all those “Joe Six Packs”,

      then find out.. I saw him do it on TV

      The Bible’s suggestions on electing rulers..good managers

      (Deu 1:13 KJV) Take you wise men, and understanding, and known among your tribes, and I will make them rulers over you.
      (Deu 1:14 KJV) And ye answered me, and said, The thing which thou hast spoken is good for us to do.
      (Deu 1:15 KJV) So I took the chief of your tribes, wise men, and known, and made them heads over you, captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, and captains over fifties, and captains over tens, and officers among your tribes.
      (Deu 1:16 KJV) And I charged your judges at that time, saying, Hear the causes between your brethren, and judge righteously between every man and his brother, and the stranger that is with him.
      (Deu 1:17 KJV) Ye shall not respect persons in judgment; but ye shall hear the small as well as the great; ye shall not be afraid of the face of man; for the judgment is God’s: and the cause that is too hard for you, bring it unto me, and I will hear it.
      (Deu 1:18 KJV) And I commanded you at that time all the things which ye should do.
      (1 Tim 3:1 KJV) This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
      (1 Tim 3:2 KJV) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
      (1 Tim 3:3 KJV) Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
      (1 Tim 3:4 KJV) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
      (1 Tim 3:5 KJV) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
      (1 Tim 3:6 KJV) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
      (1 Tim 3:7 KJV) Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

    8. poca Says:

      Dear Listeners,

      I scheduled a show with Attorney Phil Berg who has filed a lawsuit against Barack Obama for not being a US Citizen therefore he is an illegal alien.

      My show was terminated at the beginning of the show. Why? The BTR assistant Director of Customer Relations, Shannon Dingee-Kramer stated that my show was, “racially or ethnically offensive, defamatory, unreasonably violent, threatening, intimidating or harassing; 2. contains falsehoods or misrepresentations that could damage BlogTalkRadio or any other person;

      In other words, those who claim to be for free speech are afraid of it when they see it. It might offend someone and that’s far more important to protect than the American Principle of exercising the flow of speech in the arena of public ideas.

      So I am officially off the air until further notice thanks to the Obamunists and Islamists who support him!

      I want to thank all of you for your faithfulness to my growing show.

      Kindest regards,

      Tracy

      http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2008/10/blog-talk-radio-silences-no-compromise.html

    9. poca Says:

      Portrait of rats, preparing to drown
      internet-haganah.com/harchives/006420.html

    10. thenonconformer Says:

      Reality! These days it is too hard to tell the difference between secular persons and the professing Christians . Genuine Born Again Evangelical Christians are total abstainers from smoking, drugs, alcohol, cheating, lying, stealing, tax evasions, pornography, or rather all personal vices, Impairmentshttp://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/abstainers/

      The major undeniable weakness, weakness, discrepencie, shortfall in the soft underbelly of the personal life of Barrack Obama is clear, and is that already proven too, that there is a wide discrepancy between what he verbally says he is and who he realy is now and and what he in fact still next does. Even now starting clearly with his profession of being a real practicing Christian. Barack Obama for continuity he is not a real practicing Christian and he undeniably has violated God laws continually, and there is no excuse for it.. While it is often a thorny issue, discussion in the Christian faith, amongst the protestants and evangelicals whether Christians drinking wine is tolerate now, the Bible in both the old and new testament clearly and undeniably still says that anyone in a leadership position cannot consume wine, alcohol or get drunk. This is not even subject even to any debate now as well. Both Obama and Bilden do undeniably drink alcohol now.. and what about McCain and Palin now too?

      ““Dr. Daniel Akin, President of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary has written an article in favor of the famous Resolution #5 (Resolution calling for total opposition to alcohol). Alcohol is the number one drug problem among teenagers. (1 Cor. 8:13; 9:19-22; 10:32-33). Because I am an example to others, I will make certain no one ever walks the road of sorrow called alcoholism because they saw me take a drink and assumed, “if it is alright for him it is alright for me.” No, I will choose to set an uncompromising example of abstinence because I love them. I will seek my joy and filling in the Spirit not in alcohol. I love the Phillips translation of Ephesians 5:18 which reads, “Don’t get your stimulus from wine (for there is always the danger of excessive drinking), but let the Spirit stimulate your souls.” Psalm 4:7-8 adds, “You [O Lord] have put more joy in my heart than they have when their grain and wine abound. In peace I will both lie down and sleep; for you alone, O Lord, make me dwell in safety.” There is no record that Jesus drank strong drink, As a pastor or church leader, would I demand abstinence for leadership? Absolutely! The principle of Proverbs 31:4-5 is appropriately applied here, “It is not for Kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to take strong drink, lest they drink and forget what has been decreed and pervert the rights of all the afflicted.” “

      (1 Cor 11:28 KJV) But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
      (Prov 3:33 KJV) The curse of the LORD is in the house of the wicked: but he blesseth the habitation of the just.

      Jesus himself had said that professing to be a Christian is not enough,

      Matt 3:8 Bring forth fruit that is consistent with repentance [let your lives prove your change of heart];

      Gal 5:23 Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [that can bring a charge].

      Matt 7:16 You will fully recognize them by their fruits. Do people pick grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?17 Even so, every healthy (sound) tree bears good fruit [worthy of admiration], but the sickly (decaying, worthless) tree bears bad (worthless) fruit. 18 A good (healthy) tree cannot bear bad (worthless) fruit, nor can a bad (diseased) tree bear excellent fruit [worthy of admiration]. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire. 20 Therefore, you will fully know them by their fruits.

      Alcoholics, wine drinkers, smokers, drug users too they all tend to have evidentially lost their self control..

      Undeniably whether you are also a leader or not getting drunk is still an unacceptable sin as well. Nevertheless all true Christians consider this a sinful act

      Obama amongst some others reiterated his support for civil unions for homosexuals. No surprise there. Some Christians do indeed allow for the conferring of some legal rights, short of marital status, on gays as a simple matter of fairness. We cannot legislate or enforce morality. Nevertheless all true Christians consider this a sinful act But I suspect his rationale raised some hackles. “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans”. Barrack Obama. Since when did Romans 1 become obscure? I thought pitting the words of Jesus against those of Paul was a tactic of Red Letter Christians, not something a serious candidate for the Oval Office would engage in.There is no refererence to gay civil unions in the Sermon on the Mount (unless you stretch the Golden Rule beyond all recognition). Perhaps Obama mixed up his Bible references Is Barack Obama a Red Letter Christian? http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2008/03/is_barack_obama.html

    11. jezb1 Says:

      Don’t you find it hypocritical for Sarah Palin to make a call out to “Joe Six Packs” (yes, she’s referring to a six pack of beer, not a six pack of abs) in her stump speeches, interviews, and the VP debate, yet at the same time claim to be a Christian then? And, she argued against PUBLIC SAFETY when she argued FOR keeping the bars in Wasilla, AK open until 5:00AM every night, rather than closing them earlier… how is this discrepancy in faith and public policy explained away then?

      Sarah Palin and John McCain are also for the civil rights of homosexual couples matching the civil rights of heterosexual couples, with the exception of redefining marriage. That means they support civil unions, insurance benefits, hospital visitation rights, property rights, beneficiary benefits, etc. for homosexual couples matching those of heterosexual couples. This is another discrepancy between faith and public policy, is it not?

    12. Scott Thong Says:

      I’ve pondered over this dilemma before. It goes something like this:

      As a Christian, I firmly believe that homosexuality is not according to God’s will. I also firmly believe that permitting it would be akin to promoting it, in that people will see it as permissibe and be influenced by those who practise it.

      Yet if I were in charge of legislation, by outlawing homosexuality, wouldn’t I be imposing my beliefs on others who do not share my worldview? Compare if I were to make it compulsory to attend church or wear a cross. Wouldn’t that be forcing people to ‘convert’ against their will?

      But then I thought deeper, and realized: If I believe firmly about a position, such as homosexuality, yet I do not press forward by translating my beliefs into action… What does that say about the strength of my convictions?

      Compare if it were on matters of the economy. If I claim to be a proponent of free trade, but I don’t dare promote laws encouraging free trade because it would ‘infringe on the differing viewpoints of the socialists and protectionists’ – doesn’t this show me up as not truly believing that free trade is the best economic model for the nation?

      If I really want what’s best for the nation and I really believe that free trade is what’s best for the nation, I ought to be promoting it as a strong leader. I ought to believe that my way is best, even if others do not agree with my views.

      Similarly, if I believe that homosexuality is detrimental to the moral fabric of the nation, shouldn’t I then be pushing against it no matter what others may think?

    13. jezb1 Says:

      Although our final stance is different, your thought process in considering the aspects of this issue was similar to mine.

      Originally, I thought not supporting legislation in favor of homosexuals’ civil rights would be akin to forcing one’s beliefs on someone against their will (and the free will given them by God, if their religion teaches the concept of free will as the Christian faith does). But then, I also came to the same conclusion you did in believing someone should only support legislation they truly believe in, whether it regards civil rights, taxes, trade, etc. for the same logical reasons you do. So yes, I agree with you on that, and respect your decision not to support legislation that favors civil rights for homosexuals because of it.

      The difference between us is that I do not believe homosexuality is wrong. I believe some people are born homosexual, just as some are born a hermaphrodite, and I believe the science that supports this. Thus, I believe that if having a homosexual relationship is what will make someone happy and they are causing no harm to others in society, they should not be denied the same rights as heterosexuals. Unfortunately, I’ve been forced instead to question my Christian faith because of its stance that those who practice homosexuality will be condemned to hell. I would like to continue believing I am a Christian, however, wonder if I can because of these biblical teachings and discussions I’ve had with other Christians about this issue. I am heterosexual, but have concluded I am willing to practice free will in abandoning the faith if that’s what it means to accept, rather than condemn, my friends who are homosexual and support legislation that favors their civil rights. If the legislation fails, I do not believe homosexuality will cease to exist, but I hope the moral fabric of society will not regress so far as to believe it is okay to direct hate crimes toward those who are gay, at the very least.

      The ironic thing is, my legislative stance on this issue is the same as that of John McCain, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama and Joe Biden, all of whom consider themselves Christians. They all support homosexual civil unions and their civil rights to insurance, property, hospital visitation, etc.. So, they are on moral ground with one another in their stance on this issue and how it relates to their faith.

    14. thenonconformer Says:

      >>They all support homosexual civil unions and their civil rights to insurance, property, hospital visitation, etc.. So, they are on moral ground with one another in their stance on this issue and how it relates to their faith.

      now that was a good example of a demonic lie, a demonic twist.. no gay acts are still immoral.. even if they are legal

      and they all did not support homsexuality and gay acts..I do not as well. It is a sinful act condemned by God. they all do not believe the same thing on the issue as well..

      Many true practicing Christians per the Bible condemn all male homosexual activity, and is thus applicable to all male gays today, whether they are involved in casual sex or in a monogamous, consensual, committed relationship… and sldo sccording to many “unnatural” sexual acts of any type, including anal sex, oral sex, etc that is one of the main reasons the Anglican churches now are clearly splitting over world wide.

      They soloist the legal right for homosexuals not to be bashed, hated, abused though..

      Sarah clearly unlike Obama believes the Bible forbids any homosexual marriages and gay sex as well.. I am clearly not even sure if Obama believes in the Bible even if he says he is a Christian for he does not believe in Apostle Pails writings it seems.

      Now what any person, you and I approve of, believe is supposedly ok still also does not matter, it is what God approves of that only counts, after all this is his world still and it has to be run by his laws. He does not approve of any gay acts for sure as stated clearly in the Bible.

      (1 Ki 14:24 KJV) And there were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations of the nations which the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

      Good Old testament rulers removed gays form the land..

      (1 Ki 15:11 KJV) And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. 12 And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.

      (1 Ki 22:46 KJV) And the remnant of the sodomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.

      (2 Ki 23:7 KJV) And he brake down the houses of the sodomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.

      God’s Word in the Old Testament refers repeatedly and consistently to homosexuality as a forbidden, detestable practice deserving of the most severe punishment by God or mankind. Since God does not change, nor his standards, laws, these prohibitions must be equally valid today. Cod not only condems gays, but he condemns divorce, adultery, God condemns both homosexuality and the sexual assault of women and other unnatural sexual acts “unnatural” sexual acts of any type, including anal sex, oral sex, etc

      Leviticus 18:22 KJV: (King James Version): Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination
      now I know that since day one the Devil in the Bible has veen spoiing, twisitng, lying about God words next and said (Gen 3:4 KJV) And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

      but any person who still false to these twists, lies has sinned like Adam and Eve did and they will and will eventually pay God’s price.

      (1 Cor 6:9 KJV) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

      (Rev 21:27 KJV) And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

      (Rev 22:14 KJV) Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

      What is Obama clearly another type of practising Christian? Are there now really so many different types? or only one true kind? One only! My next door neighbor tells me he is a Christian, and he says is a member of the church of Jesus Christ, the LATTER DAY SAINTS, Mormons, and he says now today he reads the Bible and prays daily too. But when I started to ask him about what the Apostle had said in the Bible now about getting drunk, he next said he did not believe in any of the the 12 apostles writings, but yes, he believes that these writings they are in the books that supposedly composing the Common Bible, but he does not believe they are really part of the valid Bible. So when I next had further asked him what he now had defined as being the true Bible, he said the Bible according to Him now was solely the spoken word of Jesus. He is another one of those red lettered Christians.. So I asked him if he believed solely in the 4 Gospels, the Bible books written now anyway by some of the 12 Apostles of Jesus anyway, even Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.. and so if he really is now believing in the 4 Gospel, the still Apostolic writings so what was the problem in him now even believing that the Book of Revelation in the Standard Bible now was aalso a part of the Bible? After all it was written by the same Apostle John who now had written the book of John, and the epistles of John now too.. Now he next replied and had said he did not believe in the book of Revelation as being a part of the Bible. Wow! This is getting all so confusing, needlessly complicated too , listening to him firstly. Really now what does he believe in cause I really cannot figure out how he picks and chooses to believe, it seems he believes in the ten commandments, but he does not even know what they are still too, he really believes in the Gospel solely according to him and not the Gospel according to Jesus and the Apostles.. and he admits has these complex rules for Bible interpretations as to what is valid and what is not, all made by his church, and he next had said I should go to his church to find out what these rules now are. I replied and said I did not need any more of these clearly false mere man made religion, rules to tell me what part of the Bible I should believe in firstly , for the Holy sprit himself, the spirit of Christ has clearly promised to lead us and to guide us personaly now into all truth, not rather anyone else who admits they do not even believe in the standard Bible now too. The Bible and Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever too. I can read for myself and I can believe in it myself without has clearly distorted directions, guidance, rules now too. . I also either take it all as being God’s word’s or none of it. It is as simple as that for a start now too.

      For me the biggest hypocrisy of the election is the liberals, democrats who would lie to us and say they are angels, that they do not lie, or abuse, slander, use negative messages against the other side.. ha ha ha.. not even when they are sleeping? and how stupid do they think we are now too. The democrats are really loudly upset these days that so many people do not accept their lies, distortions, about the right wingers republicans and the Christians.. Dream on.. and how stupid do they think we are now still too.

      I had read on many lying Sites that Barrack Obama does not drink alcohol and that is not true.. is Obama an alcoholic http://www.sofakingdrunk.com/2008/05/09/obama-and-clinton-drinking-alcohol-obama-drunk-clinton-drunk/

      http://cspanjunkie.org/?p=792
      This is a very impressive speech by Sarah Palin to all Americans and thus it really show why it is no surprise now that the Democrats theytry to falsely abuse her, bash her now.

    15. jezb1 Says:

      >>>They all support homosexual civil unions and their civil rights to insurance, property, hospital visitation, etc.. So, they are on moral ground with one another in their stance on this issue and how it relates to their faith.

      >>now that was a good example of a demonic lie, a demonic twist.. no gay acts are still immoral.. even if they are legal

      It is not my intention to tell a lie. I am basing this observation on what was said by Joe Biden and Sarah Palin regarding their stance on gay marriage during the Vice Presidential debate. I interpretted their answers to mean the same thing. Please explain how I have misunderstood the meaning of their answers… ?

    16. Scott Thong Says:

      The difference between us is that I do not believe homosexuality is wrong. I believe some people are born homosexual, just as some are born a hermaphrodite, and I believe the science that supports this. Thus, I believe that if having a homosexual relationship is what will make someone happy and they are causing no harm to others in society, they should not be denied the same rights as heterosexuals. Unfortunately, I’ve been forced instead to question my Christian faith because of its stance that those who practice homosexuality will be condemned to hell. I would like to continue believing I am a Christian, however, wonder if I can because of these biblical teachings and discussions I’ve had with other Christians about this issue. – jezb1

      This is one of those dilemmas that force believers to make a choice. Do they reject Christianity because it clashes with their conscience and moral code? Or do they humble themselves to God’s wisdom and submit their own understanding to obedience?

      If the idea of a hell of eternal torture is horrifying and disgusting, does that mean we can reject it as either untrue or unacceptable?

      If the Bible lays out certain guidelines and standards for living that are at odds with our own preferences, do we reject His code or our own?

      Personally, I don’t see how homosexuality can be defended as ‘natural’, in the sense that it seems to lead toward a non-proliferation of the genes to the next generation – something totally at odds with Darwinistic evolution, let alone God’s perfect creation and command to ‘fill the Earth’.

    17. jezb1 Says:

      “If the idea of a hell of eternal torture is horrifying and disgusting, does that mean we can reject it as either untrue or unacceptable?

      If the Bible lays out certain guidelines and standards for living that are at odds with our own preferences, do we reject His code or our own?”

      In general, I hope you understand I completely respect your belief in God and the Christian faith. If anything I say sounds disrespectful, it’s not my intention, but rather a reflection of my own journey in trying to understand it and if I believe in it, and beyond that how it should be applied in public policy. I checked out your July 2008 discussion on homosexuality, and appreciate the information and interpretation.

      Because I’m still coming to terms with the faith and its teachings, it should be easy to see why I would seemingly risk an eternity in hell for rejecting it. I understand this is a risk — hell may exist as the Christian faith teaches, but I’m still trying to understand it and if I believe the Christian faith is the true faith, and if one true faith exists. I didn’t question it growing up — I believed what was taught me — but as an adult, I do. (That’s a really condensed version of a complex topic).

      “Personally, I don’t see how homosexuality can be defended as ‘natural’, in the sense that it seems to lead toward a non-proliferation of the genes to the next generation – something totally at odds with Darwinistic evolution, let alone God’s perfect creation and command to ‘fill the Earth’.”

      I agree, homosexuality goes against the idea of perpetuation and survival of the human species, as well as against the bible’s teaching that God’s plan is for his people to go forth and populate the Earth. Both require the male and female joining together. However, I do believe homosexuals, through their biological makeup, are sexually attracted to others of their own gender, rather than the opposite gender. For whatever reason, there is a chemical, hormonal, and/or pheromonal combination that is different from that of heterosexuals. So, it is natural in the sense they are created this way. From there, one’s beliefs influence the rules of conduct in expressing that attraction, just as those beliefs also influence how heterosexuals should express that attraction.

      I hope I don’t sound flip about this.

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    19. thenonconformer Says:

      When a person is told to moderate his alcohol consumption, that tells me he’s drinking too much. And I’m not the only one who interpreted the word “moderation” in that way http://wizbangblog.com/content/2010/03/01/report-obamas-doctors-recommend-moderation-of-alcohol-intake.php

    20. thenonconformer Says:

      Obama admits that he is a Muslim. Obama bowing before a Muslim king. Obama talking about his Muslim family. Obama quoting from the Koran. Obama defending Islam. Obama visiting a Mosque. And many more clips of Obama and his Muslim connections. Legal Disclaimer: The writers, producers, and editors of this video are not claiming or implying that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim, or that Obama said he was a Muslim, rather they are only examining the evidence surrounding the rumor that Barack Hussein Obama might be a secret Muslim.”

      Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/watchwomanonthewall/2012/02/obama-admits-he-is-a-muslim-in-his-own-words-video.html

    21. thenonconformer Says:

      Egyptian Foreign Minister, Ahmed Aboul Gheit, went on record to say that United States President Barack Obama admitted to being Muslim during a recent one-on-one meeting.

      Isreali Today, an Egyptian magazine, broke the news story with the following quote from the Foreign Minister:

      “Aboul Gheit said he had a one-on-one meeting with Obama, where the US President told him that He was still a Muslim, the son of a Muslim father, the step son of Muslim stepfather, that his half brothers in Kenya are Muslims, and that he was sympathetic towards the Muslim agenda. Aboul Gheit claimed Obama told the Arabs to show patience. Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic issues, like the Health care reform, he would show the Muslim World how to deal with Israel.” http://leticiasworld.blogspot.ca/2013/07/obama-admits-he-is-muslim.html

    22. thenonconformer Says:

      ORGINALLY OBAMA LIED AND SAID HE WAS A CHRISTIAN WHO DID NTO DRINK ALCOHOL AS THE NEWS MEDIA AND I HAD WRITTEN TO ALL.. I had read on many lying Sites that Barrack Obama does not drink alcohol and that is not true.. http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/abstainers/ AS PER WELL,I DO NOT KNOW OR WILL NOT JUDGE THAT I DO NOT KNOW.[SITE MUSLIM]??? YOUR CLEAR IGNORANCE FOR A SUPPOSEDLY SPIRIT FILLED CHRISTIAN IS SAD AND RACIST STILL. Obama admitted he was a Muslim next.. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2722139/postsand you like to support him still?? why

    23. thenonconformer Says:

      Yes unlike his predecessor, former President George W. Bush, who refrained from cracking open a cold one in or out of the White House, Obama has enjoyed many a tasty beverage even since moving into the Executive Mansion On a date night with the first lady in New York at Blue Hill, a West Village eatery, Obama opted for a wine that accompanied the five-course tasting menu, while Michelle sipped on two martinis. On the night he won the presidential election, Obama cracked open a bottle of Graham Beck Brut NV, a sparkling wine from South Africa. And just before he was sworn into office, Obama stopped by one of his favorite Chicago haunts, Topolobampo, and ordered wine pairings with the $90 “celebration” tasting menu. But, restaurant manager Kevin Casey says, Obama and the first lady have a history of ordering up a round of margaritas at the restaurant. “People are losing 5, 10, 20,000 dollars a day in the stock market, and he’s sitting there drinking a beer,” one caller said. “It’s insulting. There’s a lot of people suffering.” Another caller complained, “The president is the president 24 hours a day. I don’t think he should drink on the job.” And what you now here too will your ignorance here too of all this now? the tip of the iceberg of his bad morlaity too..

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