Let’s Throw Shoes at Others Besides Bush (‘Cos He Actually Saved Iraq)

Malaysiakini put up my facts-based letter here.

Waiting for KTemoc to give me a new title after ‘Leading Malaysian Neocon’.

I also use the same facts to show up the admin writer batsman in Malaysia Today at the comments here.

For lots of links to verify my facts, more info, and photo evidence of the real situation in Iraq (whether they hate Bush and the Americans or not), see Hey Ignorant World – There is PEACE in Iraq!.

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Let’s throw shoes at others besides Bush
Scott Thong Yu Yuen | Dec 17, 08 4:20pm

Recently, Iraqi journalist Muntadhar al-Zaidi made headlines when he took off his shoes and threw them at President George W Bush, in order to show his displeasure at the US president’s policies.

It made me wonder if Muntadhar al-Zaidi misses the glory days of that most beloved of benevolent peacemongers, Saddam Hussein. It also made me think about throwing some shoes of my own.

Solely in terms of numbers: Roughly one million Iraqis died under Saddam’s reign, averaging 50,000 deaths a year.

Under the American ‘oppressors’, only an average of 6800 deaths occured a year – and the rate decreases daily.

Most of the deaths were caused not by US troops nor by Iraqi soldiers, but by foreign terrorists who felt that the suffering or ordinary Iraqis were a small price to pay for embarrassing the ‘crusaders’. Can someone please throw some shoes at Al-Qaeda now?

And may I remind you that under the Bill Clinton-era embargo, the United Nations reported that more than one million Iraqis had died from nine years of deprivation (more than 100,000 a year) – with 567,000 of them children under the age of five.

Muntadhar could therefore consider Clinton twice the murderer as Saddam, and 14 times the murderer as Bush.

Yet I don’t see Muntadhar throwing shoes at Clinton. Maybe he’s just waiting for Baghdad to book a seminar where Clinton will give one of his expensive talks.

Thanks to the evil Bush’s imperialistic abuse of international law, South Africa and even the city of Chicago have a higher violent crime rate for their population than Iraq does. Shoes ought to be thrown at the leaders of those places.

Oil production has also increased far beyond the post-Gulf War period, with profits going to the rebuilding of Iraq’s infrastructure. May I remind you that any oil that was pumped out under Saddam’s rule went not to the common Iraqis, but straight into Saddam’s pockets – or those of corrupt UN officials involved in the Oil-For-Food scandal. Shoes ought to be thrown at them instead.

I suggest that Malaysian media seriously consider sending an entourage of reporters to Iraq to interview the local people and compose a photo essay. It won’t be all that dangeroues. After all, western reporters can now walk around Baghdad without body armour or armed escort.

Just like all the smiling men, women and children can now go to the market, enjoy amusement park rides (yes, they have them in Iraq!) and play soccer without having to fear a visit from Saddam’s enforcers or roving gangs of terrorists.

Muntadhar may hate Bush, but it looks like someone forgot to tell the millions of liberated pro-Bush Iraqis that he is a heartless mass murderer who deserves our vilification.

See also the kind of inhumane torture Bush forces upon the Guantanamo Bay detainees, including:

Air conditioning, Christina Aguilera music, Red Hot Chilli Peppers (the band, not the spice), so much food to choose from they get fat, Islamic prayer 5 times a day, free Korans, free Game Boys, movie nights, English classes, arts classes, exercise equipment, and more stuff so horrifying that they beg to stay.

Malaysia’s ISA, the Gitmo Holiday Club is not.


Scott South sent in a letter to Malaysiakini agreeing with me and telling about how the Middle East has been anti-US for 50 years (about the length of the existence of kick-a$$ Israel, so that’s probably the explanation there), and made me realize a goof of mine: Iraq has a lower violent death rate, not crime rate as I mistakenly put!

Though I don’t think Bush is really even close to being a tyrant…

Bush not as bad as he’s made out to be
Scott South | Dec 18, 08 4:25pm

I refer to the Malaysiakini article Let’s throw shoes at others besides Bush.

As an American who once lived in KL, it was pleasant to read the writer’s comments about George Bush not being the worst tyrant in the world, much as I dislike him.

Next month when Barack Obama becomes president, we will embark on the long road to economic and image recovery.

The Gulf Wars, meanwhile, have been over-rated for their negative effect on the image of America in Muslim countries.

Arab and other Islamic countries have hated America for 50 years. Long before Sept 11, the racist, hate-mongering comments in the Dubai Gulf News vilifying the American people (not just the government, but the people) were horrendous.

Meanwhile, the Dubai government college where I taught was a place where Americans regularly received preposterous emails from students accusing them of being Jews and spies.

As for Sept 11, many Arabs are still convinced that those attacks were perpetrated by the CIA to make Muslims look bad. Nothing ever changes in the Arab world.

I just have one small bone to pick in the above article: the writer describes Chicago as having a greater crime rate than Baghdad.

Actually, Houston, San Francisco and Chicago, according to a recent survey by a prestigious British think tank, have considerably lower violent crime rates than London.

This survey rated 215 world cities, and Baghdad ranked dead last in safety.


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39 Responses to “Let’s Throw Shoes at Others Besides Bush (‘Cos He Actually Saved Iraq)”

  1. DJ Douche Says:

    Good article Scott. Succinct and compelling. Cheers.

  2. simon thong Says:

    Yes, agree with DJ Douche’s comment. Some people are so anti-American and pro-muslim..They forget the tyrant that Saddam was; or the invasion of Kuwait, Muslim nation attacking another Muslim nation, by Saddam.

  3. wits0 Says:

    For all the typical Ayrab hubris, the shoe thrower “hero” has apparently apologised. He realized that a seven year stay in jail was somewhat not desirable. Some “hero”!

  4. Ken Says:

    Do you remember the reasons supporting Bush sending armies to Iraq? Is it because there are many Iraqis killed in the past? I strongly believe that the invasion in 2003 was a group of armies led by Bush invading an oil drilling country.

    You are trying to reason US and other follower countries invading Iraq are humanistic, but sorry, I don’t think so.

  5. Jamie Says:

    That’s simply because you choose to believe that Bush only did it for the oil. The rest of us choose to believe that you are sadly mistaken and blinded by your negative and irrational view of Bush.

  6. Richard Says:

    I have a wonderful idea. Let the CIA recrute the shoe-thrower, we drop him in Iran, and let him have a go at President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

  7. Scott Thong Says:

    Heck, in my honest opinion, the simple fact that SADDAM WAS A TURDHEAD B*STARD is reason enough for any country to go and kick his sorry a$$.

    I thought you Commies believe that the end justifies the means anyway.

  8. what is pop Says:

    it’s not surprising that recently designed Bush shoe-throwing games are so popular… there are millions who wish they could really throw something at the guy

  9. Discriminated Humanitary Says:

    I think Bush should also attack China for killing the tibetans without mercy! Thus,Bush will save china from hell created by the ignorant communist. Anyways,both shitheads deserve a shoes!

  10. Discriminated Humanitary Says:

    maybe this blog has something to do with islamophobia when its talked about thing that related guantanamo bay=muslim(solah,koran).Its my opinion.By the way,you should have a sightseeing in iraq and use it to compare condition in there before and after invasion.

  11. wkwn 2008 Says:

    I agree with Discriminated Humanitary that Bush should attack China for killing the Tibetans, now that those Chinese who loves Bush so much understand why the people in Iraq and Afghanistan hate the cross worshipper so much.

  12. simon thong Says:

    wkwn 2008 and Discriminated Humanitary have taken flippancy to a higer level.

  13. Scott Thong Says:

    I agree with Discriminated Humanitary that Bush should attack China for killing the Tibetans, now that those Chinese who loves Bush so much understand why the people in Iraq and Afghanistan hate the cross worshipper so much. – wkwn 2008

    Ok! As soon as the Muslims of the world start standing up for any nonMuslims, such as the oppressed Christian Copts in Egypt or the Palestinian Christians or the Turkish Jews or the aforementioned Buddhist Tibetans, I will throw shoes at Bush.

  14. Scott Thong Says:

    maybe this blog has something to do with islamophobia when its talked about thing that related guantanamo bay=muslim(solah,koran).Its my opinion.By the way,you should have a sightseeing in iraq and use it to compare condition in there before and after invasion.

    maybe this blog has something to do with islamophobia when its talked about thing that related guantanamo bay=muslim(solah,koran).Its my opinion.By the way,you should have a sightseeing in iraq and use it to compare condition in there before and after invasion. – Discriminated Humanitary

    How about you go sightseeing there now? Compare it to during Saddam’s reign. Or at least look at these photos:

    Hey Ignorant World – There is PEACE in Iraq!

    If you do not even bother to check the photos, then please do not bother commenting again.

    Insinuating that I am an Islamophobe is a cheap and amateurish tactic (but one used successfully by Terrorist Supporters to deflect all valid criticism).

    I insinuate that you are a Christophobe, an Americophobe and a biased Islamophile, since you obviously dislike the nonMuslim Bush so much… But have no condemnation for Saddam Hussein, even though far more Muslims died under his reign and from his wars against the Kurds and the Iranians – simply because Saddam is a Muslim.

  15. matkilat Says:

    Its not the Iraqis who should be throwing shoes at Bush (in fact, as you said, they should be welcoming him with open arms) its the Americans.

    Thanks to his ridiculous war which didn’t actually benefit America (but did, in a sense, benefit Iraqis, as although many of them died at least they have got a better shot at a good future than under saddam) and cost tens of billions , coupled with a complete lack of responsible fiscal policies at Wall Street has almost brought the US to financial ruin.

    So the Iraqi journo should be thanking Bush.

    And the Americans who got layed off or are homeless after unable to payoff their mortgages should be the ones throwing shoes.

    Btw, to the Islamist fanatics, if Bush didn’t do anything about Saddam, no one would have. Arabs are all a bunch of big talkers with no action. So in a sense, the war was good for Iraq. Without Bush, Saddam would still be in power today, and maybe after him his bunch of murdering, raping sons.

  16. wits0 Says:

    I thought that the current Financial Meltdown was caused by the bursting of the Housing Bubble which owed a lot to Bubba Clinton’s financial policy of enabling the non non credit worthy to be entitled to loans which they clearly cannot repay. Bush has been reported to have tried some 18 times to address the Fannie May and Freddie Mac’s matters before but Congress is said to have thwarted his efforts. I may not agree with some of Bush’s choices but Bubba’s nonsense has always been played down by their liberal MSM.

  17. Scott Thong Says:

    The Bush House finally got fed up enough of the MSM lying about who caused the financial meltdown to respond angrily:

    White House Slams NY Times For It’s “Irresponsible” Housing Hit Piece

  18. matkilat Says:

    well maybe.

    but iraq war which cost tens of billions also helped create the financial mire.

    The cost of the war alone would make an outstanding “stimulus” package which the american economy so desperately needs now.

    But whats the actual benefit of the Iraq war to the average american? NONE! Not even the usual “US invaded Iraq for oil” rubbish, which privately, most Americans would probably be happy to accept. But now gas prices in the US are still high, despite falling oil prices/barrel.

  19. Scott Thong Says:

    Perhaps the war expenses could instead have been used to stimulate the economy, but you sorely misunderstand the entire worldwide economic crisis if you think the Iraq War in any way caused it!

    There is a reason the crisis is called ‘the housing bubble burst’ and ‘the subprime lending fiasco’, and not ‘the war expenditure fiasco’.

  20. wits0 Says:

    Consequent to the Iraq War, Gadaffi of Libya became sane and gave up his covert effort to be a nuclear power. I should think that this is of some benefit to the wider world.

  21. Scott Thong Says:

    Ah, not to forget:

    1) No terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11, partly because their efforts were redirected to Iraq
    2) …Where the ready and armed US troops have slaughtered 23,000 of them who would otherwise have been free to attack the US, London Underground, Bali, Pattani, Madrid etc

    Worth its weight in gold.

  22. wits0 Says:

    The invaluable underlying message being that terrorists can be reached and their abettors held accountable.

  23. loop Says:

    Good article Scott. Succinct and compelling. Cheers.
    so hardworking
    so condemnation so impressive.yamseng
    but oh scott
    Jews say other than Jews, all people are not equal to the Jews. Their status lower than a sick dog. This includes you the so hard working,the Christians, Muslims and etc.
    The Talmud(jews holybook)teach to all their children and they had faith at it. To kill other than Jews is no sin.
    You still love and support the Jews eventhough you are a christians banana

  24. Scott Thong Says:

    Well, to be honest, Christians consider all non-Christians to be ‘unsaved’, ‘lost’, ‘living in darkness’, ‘blind’, ‘condemned’, etc.

    If we try saying these bluntly to non-Christians, you can be sure they won’t be receiving the Gospel message anytime soon…

    The Chinese (which I am) also consider themselves superior to all other races – Chinese are the smartest, most hardworking, most adaptable…

    When the Jews become the number 1 source of terrorists who kill civilians wordlwide indiscriminately to make some point about some conflict occuring a thousand miles away, which said civilians are not involved in and don’t know anything about, then I’ll be more antagonistic towards their philosophy.

    That said, why did you even bring up the point about Jews? This is the wrong post. I have lots of other posts that are pro-Jew. Maybe you just assumed that if I am anti-terrorism, I must be pro-Jew? That’s a very logical conclusion! (No sarcasm intended)

    So I’ll make a logical conclusion about you.

    But for the time being, can you tell us whether or not you support a certain religion/philosophy that says to kill all people who do not accept their message, to force them to convert, to punitively tax those who surrender but do not convert, to take 6 year old wives, to take as many slaves from nonbelievers as they like (and have sex with the female ones), that dying in battle is the only sure way to achieve paradise…

    Do you support that religion/philosophy, or don’t you?

    I make this logical conclusion based on the fact that:

    1) You automatically bring up Jews even when they are not mentioned in the post at all
    2) You are strongly critical of them
    3) There is a certain religion/philosophy where Jews are viewed as the most vile and sordid of races, equal to pigs or apes, and to kill a Jew is a great blessing

  25. loop Says:


    “Christians consider all non-Christians to be ‘unsaved’, ‘lost’, ‘living in darkness’,
    ‘blind’, ‘condemned’, etc.”

    You not supported by facts on the ground.For one very clear example is
    the history of Islam is very clear on the kind of enlightened society it produced. Where knowledge was carried to the 4 corners of the world and which was responsible for the European renaissance for one example.Its fact.

    2. Little mind discuss people

    “The Chinese (which I am) also consider themselves superior to all other races – Chinese are the smartest, most hardworking, most adaptable..”

    3. Knowing others is intelligence..
    I added.Chinese also riches, reputations, situations, ‘families’, beauty, ‘joy’. Superiority measured by riches, possessions and ‘high offices’.
    I would like to state too that there are some good group of people who are no better than the terrorists you not yet identified. They are known as the Economic Terrorists. Many of their victims are in Africa and in many other poor countries. It is quite difficult to detect the Economic Terrorists unlike the violent terrorists. This is because they will move with us complimented with long lasting smile and humble words. Be wary of them too.. Good topic for your next assignment. Be a good report. No othering .(No sarcasm)
    4. “ Do you support that religion/philosophy, or don’t you?”
    I am a true believer. What else can I be. I won’t and never Othering

    Professor Emeritus, Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto. Distinguished embryologist and the author of several medical textbooks, including Clinically Oriented Anatomy (3rd Edition) and The Developing Human (5th Edition, with T.V.N. Persaud).

    Dr. Moore was a former President of the Canadian Association of Anatomists, and of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists. He was honoured by the Canadian Association of Anatomists with the prestigious J.C.B. Grant Award and in 1994 he received the Honoured Member Award of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists “for outstanding contributions to the field of clinical anatomy.”

    “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah.” [1]

    “The intensive studies of the Qur’an and Hadith in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D… the descriptions in the Qur’an cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century…”[1]
    My comments;
    Just to add..
    some wise ass reporter in Canada argued that the Arabs must have cut up women’s abdomens to study the foetus development.
    To this the good professor countered back, “Yeah…but then they will have to use a microscope as it is invisible to the naked eye…”.
    5. don’t othering..

  26. Scott Thong Says:

    You not supported by facts on the ground.For one very clear example is
    the history of Islam is very clear on the kind of enlightened society it produced. Where knowledge was carried to the 4 corners of the world and which was responsible for the European renaissance for one example.Its fact.

    Your comment is self-defeating – you attribute the European Renaissance to Islamic enlightened society. However, the Renaissance led to an explosion of European scientific and cultural development, while the Islamic world stagnated and remained that way, even up till today.

    (And no, I don’t think Islamic knowledge ever reached the very large corners of the world known as the Americas and Australia without Westerners’ help.)

    So what did happen to Islam today, that the only worthwhile advances it has contributed to society were made centuries ago? Why is it every time an apologist wants to point out the great achievements and discoveries made by ‘Islam’ (which are actually made by already-great people living under Islamic conquest), they are forced to cite stuff from before the age of gunpowder?

    You could say the same for the Chinese, who invented the basis for modern warfare and scholarship. But you don’t see us sulking about our once-great past… We make ourselves great again.

    And what about the Jews, eh? More than one fifth of all Nobel Prizes in the sciences were won by Jews.

    Does that mean the Old Testament and the Torah are the true tomes of universal wisdom?

    How many Muslims have won Nobel Prizes in the sciences? Can you even name one?

    “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or Allah, because most of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God, or Allah.” [1]

    All right then, true believer. You like to recite stuff you’ve read about so-called Islamic scientific discoveries? Well let me debunk you painfully. See if you can accept the truth of it:

    1) The embryonic development in Islamic texts is flat out wrong.


    [Allah] placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then out of that clot We made a lump, then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature.” – Sura 23:13-14

    It is a basic fact that bones and flesh develop from the same tissue, and develop simultaneously.

    2) Such embryonic science was already known to the Greeks.


    The account of the different stages in embryology as described by the Qur’an, ar-Razi and al-Quff is identical to that taught by Galen, writing in around AD 150 in Pergamum (Bergama in modern Turkey). Galen taught that the embryo developed in four stages as detailed below.

    The time has come for nature to articulate the organs precisely and to bring all the parts to completion. Thus it caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones, and at the same time … it made at the ends of the bones ligaments that bind them to each other, and along their entire length it placed around them on all sides thin membranes, called periosteal, on which it caused flesh to grow.

    Compare it to the Islamic text from 450 years later that I listed above. It is obvious that embryonic science had progressed to that stage much earlier than Mohammad’s time.

    3) Islam says that a baby will look like whoever has an orgasm first!

    When ‘Abdullah bin Salam heard the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said… Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle?

    Allah’s Apostle said, “Gabriel has just now told me of their answers… As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her.” – Hadith Sahih Bukhari 55:546

    Wow, such amazing Quranic science!!!

    Make sure you remember that the next time you are trying for a child.

    So, do you still think that the Quran and Hadith know anything about science?

  27. ratbait Says:

    ‘Where knowledge was carried to the 4 corners of the world and which was responsible for the European renaissance for one example…”- loop

    Hahaha this donkey has learned to parrot. Btw this great Islamic science, which wing of the fly is healthy? Or did you know that the mountains are anchored to earth by chains? Or did you know that the sun sets in mud?
    And that idiot BN Education minister is teaching nonsense in science classes – they should get the imams to do it.

  28. wits0 Says:

    ‘Where knowledge was carried to the 4 corners of the world and which was responsible for the European renaissance for one example…”- loop

    Who was also an outstanding party to the deliberate burning of the great Library of Alexandria in history? That was one fine way of “disseminating knowledge”, by example.

    The Sun doth set in a muddy pool and the donkey speaks – as in Shrek!

  29. ratbait Says:

    The Renaissance of the 12th century was a period of many changes during the High Middle Ages. It included social, political and economic transformations, and an intellectual revitalization of Europe with strong philosophical and scientific roots.

    The epoch of the Crusades, of the rise of towns, and of the earliest bureaucratic states of the West, it saw the culmination of Romanesque art and the beginnings of Gothic; the emergence of the vernacular literatures; the revival of the Latin classics and of Latin poetry and Roman law; the recovery of Greek science, with its Arabic additions, and of much of Greek philosophy; and the origin of the first European universities. The twelfth century left its signature on higher education, on the scholastic philosophy, on European systems of law, on architecture and sculpture, on the liturgical drama, on Latin and vernacular poetry…

    The Renaissance that spanned roughly the 14th to the 17th century, beginning in Italy in the late Middle Ages and later spreading to the rest of Europe was mainly a cultural movement. Most historians agree that the ideas that characterized the Renaissance had their origin in late 13th century Florence, in particular with the writings of Dante Alighieri (1265–1321) and Francesco Petrarch (1304–1374), as well as the painting of Giotto di Bondone (1267–1337).

    Muslim contribution to the Renaissance was strictly limited to the introduction of opium and gunpowder to the West. Islam of course did provide Torquemada of Spain with many ideas for the Inquisition.

  30. hutchrun Says:

    Dr. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D., F.I.A.C. of the Department of Anatomy, University of Toronto, Canada, has become a favorite of Islamic apologists ever since he accepted an invitation to produce a special edition of his Embryology Text Book specifically for use by Muslim students in Islamic Universities.

    In articles published widely across Islamic web sites, Dr. Moore goes on the record to provide a generous assessment of the Qu’ran and hadith in the light of modern knowledge about embryology. But a review of his “analysis” shows the extent to which he had to twist both the Islamic scriptures and modern science in order to get the “facts” to correlate.

    Specifically, Moore’s intellectual lapses are these:

    1) He liberally translates Arabic into terms that no Arabic speaker would consider justified, but that allows him to pretend the Arabic is closer to truth than it really is. For example, in spite of the fact that almost three dozen translations of “alaqah” found on line never once exclude the word “clot,” Moore writes instead that “The word “alaqah” refers to a leech or bloodsucker.”

    2) He completely ignores the timing of phases dictated by the hadith, for to consider them renders even his mistranslation unintelligeble. For example, after mistranslating “alaqah” to mean “a leech or bloodsucker,” he then compares it to the human embryo at 24 days gestation. But 24 days is still firmly within the “nutfah” phase, when the embryo should actually look like a “drop of seed.” He does the same with “mudghah,” comparing it with the embryo at 28 days, still in the “nutfah” phase and only four days later than he had assigned to “alaqah.”

    One might speculate on the reasons Dr. Moore might have for this travesty of embryology, but actually the answer is a simple one. He was apparently quite well paid for essentially no real additional work. The textbook he delivered to the Saudi Universities that commissioned the work is titled, “The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology with Islamic Additions.” (ISBN 0-7216-6472-5).

    The base textbook is work that Moore had apparently completed years before, while the “Islamic Additions” appear to be the work of an Abdul-Majeed A. Azzindani, and not Dr. Moore’s at all.

    And an interesting side bar (of no real importance, but entertaining none the less) is that the Acknowledgments for the book recognize a number of “distinguished scholars” who supported the book with time or money. And number 6 on the list?

    Sheik Osamah bin Ladin.

  31. hutchrun Says:

    Islamic Science: Does Islamic literature contain scientific miracles?
    Denis Giron

    Over the last decade growing numbers of Muslims have declared the Qur’an to be a book filled with alleged scientific miracles. Numerous web sites, books and videos have been produced that proclaim Islam to be truly a religion of divine origin, citing “scientifically accurate” statements in the Qur’an and Hadiths. Many of these productions introduce their claims with a statement like this:

    One of the most remarkable things in the Quran is how it deals with science. The Quran which was revealed in the 7th century to Muhammed contains unbelievable scientific facts which are being discovered in this century. Scientists are shocked and many times speechless when they are shown how detailed and accurate some verses in the Quran are to modern science. For those who doubt the truth of Islam, I ask you: Could Muhammad, a 7th century desert Arab , from a poor and barbaric society, with no tradition of knowledge, philosopy and learning as the Greeks, with no author as prolific as Homer or Plato, an uneducated orphan who could not read and write, produce a book like the Qur’an if it was not from God?

    This article will confront this question, as well as confront the various verses from the Qur’an which Muslim’s cite as scientific miracles. This article will also look into various scientific absurdities found in the Qur’an and Hadiths that many Muslims fail to mention.


  32. hutchrun Says:

    The Qur’an on Embryology

    In 1982 Keith Moore, an anatomy professor at the University of Toronto, produced a textbook titled “The Developing Human, 3rd edition”. In this book Moore states his astonishment at the way embryonic development is depicted in the Qur’an. Moore would go on to produce fourth and fifth editions of his textbook, as well as another book titled “Human Development as described in the Quran and Sunnah”, all of which many Muslims cite with great pleasure. Moore and his Muslim supporters are referring to the following verse:

    We placed him as sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then We made the sperm into a clot of blood; then of that blood clot We made a lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be God, the best to create! (Quran 23:13-14)

    Indeed, at first glance, this seems like a remarkable statement for a “7th century desert Arab” to make. However, upon closer study, one realizes that there is both explanation and error to this verse. First we must ask if this was an original theory, and second we must ask if it is correct.

    Many people are amazed by the mention of sperm in this verse. This is nothing special. Since the beginning of time man has been aware of the “seed” that is released from the penis during sexual intercourse. The Bible, a text much older than the Qur’an, tells a story of a man who was struck down by God for “spilling his seed on the ground” (Genesis 38:9-10).

    The entire study of human life as mentioned in the Qur’an is not original at all. While Muslims try to claim that Muhammad made these statements before scientists discovered them, they are wrong. Theories of the formation of a child inside the womb was put forth by Aristotle nearly 1,000 years before the Qur’an was written. In fact Aristotle correctly described the function of the umbilical cord, something not mentioned in the Qur’an, showing that earlier philosophers were aware of such things mentioned by Muhammad and more. Every mention of human development in the Qur’an is similar to Roman and Greek theories. Consider the following verse referring to sperm:

    He is created from a drop (of sperm) emitted– Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs. (Qur’an 86:6-7)

    Clearly this verse is incorrect, and clearly it has origins in earlier theories. First of all, for sperm to originate between the back and the ribs would mean that it comes from the kidneys! We now know that semen is produced in the testicles, but people in Muhammad’s time did not know this. Eleven centuries before Muhammad, the Greek physician Hippocrates theorized that sperm passed through the kidneys into the penis. For centuries this was an accepted (and incorrect) belief of the origins of sperm.

    There are those who claim Muhammad had no contact with Greeks or Romans. Pre-Islamic Arabia definitely had contact with Byzantium, Syria, Egypt, Persia, and Babylon. There were many Jews and Christians living in the area, and they were familiar with Greek or Roman philosophy. The Christians were connected to Rome. The Jews were connected to Babylon and Persia. It is easy to see how such theories regarding embryonic development may have reached Muhammad.

    Finally, to touch back on the verses that spoke of the development of an unborn child, I will say they too are incorrect. The Qur’an stated that the blood clot was turned to bone and then God “clothed the bones with flesh” (Quran 23:13-14). It is scientific fact that living tissue forms first, and then bones grow at a later time, and continue to gain strength (by building calcium) for many years after birth. Therefore, this is one of many scientific inaccuracies in the Qur’an.

  33. hutchrun Says:

    Hey, anyone really afraid of that guy with horns and pitchfork, well koran has a solution (loop should read carefully-it`ll help):

    A couple on the verge of divorce began using the water. The wife used to complain all the time. After a month and a half, she stopped entirely. Things that she used to make a fuss over seemed simple all of the sudden. I asked myself how this could be, and I realized something – or at least, this makes sense to me. If a person replaces most of the water in his body with Koranic water, his body begins to emit steam which contains the Koran. This creates a halo of steam around him, containing the Koran, which fends off Satan.

    Note: Masaru Emoto did, over a period of about 15 years publish a series of books on the crystallization of water from different sources under different conditions. But the conditions were various natural and man-made; they did not include reading Qur’anic verses over the water.
    Until the muslims break open the gates of ijitihad they will remain clueless, unquestioning and completely incapable of objectivity about Islam.


  34. hutchrun Says:

    K: I am listening

    ME: Islam is a the most peaceful religion in this world……

    K: Really.

    ME: Yes and Islam has is the most scientific book in this world.

    K: Wait a moment I read that Quran says that the earth is flat and that semen is produced from between the ribs and the backbone…

    ME: Allahu Akbar , that is a lie who told you that

    K: I read it on websites called http://www.faithfreedomorg and http://www.islam-watc.org

    ME: Those murtads are liars they have nothing else to do but lie, believe me there is no such thing Quran is the most scientific book. In fact if you read the Quran you can become a PhD of all sorts of sciences. There is a man called Dr. Zakir Naik. He also managed to become a doctor just by reading the Quran

    K: You mean that skinny guy who keeps on shouting and telling lies…

    ME: Shut up you old fool, how you dare say that about Zakir Bhai I will kill you.


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  37. fuckoff Says:

    Typical neo-cons article. the issue is not how was doing ar the time of the shoe-throwing but everything that happened from 2003 to 2008. And the it was far worse than under Saddam’s last years.
    Secondly, Al-Zaidi did lnow about Clinton’s embargo : but blaming him for not doing anything to him?! Seriously?! Was Clinton there? No. Bush yes. And maybe an Iraqi like Al-Zaidi knows a little better than you, if the US invasion was a good thing after all.
    Finally, it was the reasons behind this invasion that made the whoke thing a despicable disaster. Do you think that Nice Mister Bush led his troops tonIraq to get rid of Super evil Saddam for thar sake of a people he so much cared for?
    When tou’re backed by an administration and a deep state controlling your actions for the sake of oil / military / obedient local gvt / bases for troops / us zionist lobby / Israel do you seriously believe that what happpened was a food cause? If so, you’re one of the most retarded person ever or one of the most disgusting neo-cons ever (ie modern day true terrorism-monger and fascists) or in simple a piece of shit. Enough with your garbage! You can blame Saddam, Gaddhafi, Kim Jon Un, Chavez, Ahmaddinejad as much as you want. None of them will ever come close in lies, warmongering, imperialism and violence that the parhetic puppets of the american/ world oligarchy we call presidents.

  38. fuckoff Says:

    No apologies for the bad-keyboard caused typing mistakes. And again fuck off!

  39. Scotttcast Says:

    Guess what, from a hardcore supporter of Dubya, I now think he should never have stepped foot outside of America.

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