Indisputably Proven Fact That God Does Not Exist Rehabilitates Hardcore Drug Addicts Into Model Citizens


Sarcasm and snark in intentionally misleading post title. Note: Atheism as used to in this post refers to non-supernaturalist, secular atheism as opposed to religious beliefs which discount the existence of deity (e.g. Buddhism).

From The Star 22 Jan 2011:

Former drug addict gives his life to save pastor from drowning
By SIMON KHOO and ISABELLE LAI

KUANTAN: A former drug addict sacrificed himself by jumping into the sea to save another man from his church group who was swept away by high tide during an outing at the popular Teluk Chempedak beach here.

The body of Hoh Kun Fatt, 22, from Kampung Baru Ampang, Selangor, was found at 5.11am yesterday near the Hyatt Regency Resort here, about 900m from where he was last seen.

Family and church members mourned the death of Hoh, whose last words were: “Save the others!”

Hoh had jumped in to save Pastor Loh Chee Kuang, 38, in the Thursday tragedy.

Eyewitness Pastor Chow Kok Min, 42, said Hoh had managed to save himself and hung on to a rock when he spotted Loh submerging – and he jumped right back into the water.

Other group members from Charis Youth Centre, Broga, then dived in and managed to pull Loh to safety, said Chow at the Hospital Tengku Ampuan Afzan mortuary.

Hoh was nowhere to be seen as the waves continued to hit the shore.

“We will return to Kuantan to complete our mission after Hoh’s funeral in Kuala Lumpur,” said Chow, adding that Hoh would have wanted them to complete their anti-drug awareness campaign at eight Chinese primary schools here.

In Kuala Lumpur, Loh said Hoh had doubled back to save his life even though both of them could not swim.

“He managed to push me to the rocks, but another wave hit us and we were dragged back out to the sea,” a visibly upset Loh said at the funeral service in Kampung Baru Ampang last night.

Another church member who was also caught in the waves, Ng Niang Ping, 30, recalled that Hoh had kept pushing him towards the rocks so he could get to safety.

Hoh’s sister, Mei Kin, 30, held back tears as she recounted how her deceased brother changed for the better after joining the church.

“It’s heartbreaking to see him gone, especially just when he got his life back on track. We are so proud of him,” she said.

Truly, he lived and died as Christ did – giving his life for others.

The above even managed to edge out a stunning Malaysian Navy defeat of Somali pirates for the most spread news:

From The Star 5 July 2010:

Former addict ordained as pastor after 20-year struggle

KUALA LUMPUR: It has taken former drug addict and HIV/AIDs positive patient Danaraj Samuel 20 years but after a long, hard journey, he was finally ordained a church pastor.

Danaraj’s ordination by the St Mary’s Anglican Cathedral yesterday was made so much sweeter when his doctor, former Malaysian AIDS Council president Prof Dr Adeeba Kama­rul­zaman, turned up to witness the event.

Danaraj said he first met Dr Adeeba when he decided to return to the church in 2006 after years of going in and out of prisons and rehabilitation centres.

“A church member brought me to see her for treatment. At that time, she was the only one who trusted me, and believed that I would be able to change into the man I am today. For that, I am forever thankful,” he said after the ceremony.

Amazing grace: Danaraj at his ordination ceremony at the St Mary’s Anglican Cathedral yesterday.

Dr Adeeba said she wanted to come for the ceremony after hea-ring from Danaraj’s family that he was finally getting ordained as a pastor.

“I’m proud of him. Not many people can be where he is right now. The journey was hard but he’s strong and can overcome any obstacle in his way,” she said.

Danaraj admitted that it would be an uphill task for people to trust him as a pastor as everybody knew about his past.

“There are people who doubted my ability to preach and I found it difficult to work. It was like a tunnel without light but I just have to go through it,” said the optimistic 42-year-old, who first experimented with “weed” in college before he graduated to using heroin while working as a chef on a cruise liner in Britain.

“I was like a walking zombie for two decades. Rehab centres and prison were like my second home,” said Danaraj, adding that he first found out that he had contracted the HIV/AIDs virus in a blood test in 1994.

Danaraj said he decided to return to the church, where he had worshipped with his family since young, because he wanted to take the first step out of being a “zombie” for the rest of his life.

“I was afraid I would not be able to finish my journey as there was a lot of negativity then. However, I have the support of my family and friends around me,” he said, crediting his father for staying by his side all this while.

And having found a friend and mentor in Dr Adeeba, Danaraj can be sure he will remain on the right track for the rest of his life.

So tell me… How many drug-addicts do you know who kicked the habit and turned over a new leaf because of THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH OF ATHEISM?

And a more well known example, that of :Josh McDowell:

Right there, my father just prayed something like this: “God, if You’re God, and Christ is the Eternal Word, Your Son, if You can forgive me and come into my life and change me, then I want to know You personally.”

His life was changed right before my eyes. It was like somebody reached out and turned on a light bulb. Do you know, he only touched whiskey once after that. He got it to his lips, and that was it. He didn’t need it anymore.

Fourteen months later, he died. Because three-fourths of his stomach had to be removed, as a result of 40-some years of drinking.

But do you know, in that 14-month period, scores of businessmen in my home town and the surrounding area committed their lives to the living God, through the Eternal Word, Jesus Christ, because of the changed life of one of the town’s drunks.

How many drunks and wife beaters have you heard of who quit the bottle and turned over a new leaf after being convinced by THE LOGIC AND REASON OF ATHEISM?

Theorize and Bible-bash all you want… When it comes down to the real world of everyday life, that’s when the talk is put to the walk.

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PS. Compare what ‘converting to Islam’ means for convicts and criminals… Basically, no change policy.

21 Responses to “Indisputably Proven Fact That God Does Not Exist Rehabilitates Hardcore Drug Addicts Into Model Citizens”

  1. tangocharlie Says:

    Gods like to see an atheist around. Gives them something to aim at.

  2. Simon Thong Says:

    My good friend went to church, left and went back, left again and wenty back..but never found the power to kick his triple addictions (wine, women and gambling) until some he went to a Christian healing service. The pastor laid hands on him, prayed, and the desire for all three left immediately. An accountant, he gave all his non-working hours for God’s work in thankfulness. Lots of well-meaning people gave lots of suggestions. Can count among them well-meaning atheists: brain power man, reason it out! LOL.

  3. Simon Thong Says:

    tangocharlie mans that atheists like to see that people believe in God; gives meaning to their lives trying to rubbish believers…

  4. Ron Says:

    “Sarcasm and snark in intentionally misleading post title.”

    At last… Scott unabashedly admits he’s a troll. X)

    “So tell me… How many drug-addicts do you know who kicked the habit and turned over a new leaf because of THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH OF ATHEISM?”

    There is a high rate of recovery among alcoholics and addicts, treated and untreated. According to one estimate, heroin addicts break the habit in an average of 11 years. Another estimate is that at least 50% of alcoholics eventually free themselves although only 10% are ever treated. One recent study found that 80% of all alcoholics who recover for a year or more do so on their own, some after being unsuccessfully treated. When a group of these self-treated alcoholics was interviewed, 57% said they simply decided that alcohol was bad for them. Twenty-nine percent said health problems, frightening experiences, accidents, or blackouts persuaded them to quit. Others used such phrases as “Things were building up” or “I was sick and tired of it.” Support from a husband or wife was important in sustaining the resolution.

    Treatment of Drug Abuse and Addiction — Part III
    The Harvard Mental Health Letter, Volume 12, Number 4, October 1995, page 3.

    Maybe not because of atheism, but certainly without the help of a supernatural sky daddy, which amounts to the same thing.

  5. Scott Thong Says:

    I own the bridge.

  6. Zack T Says:

    Ron… seems like your statistics are rather general…
    Plus, it doesn’t answer Scott’s question.

    “How many drug-addicts do you know who kicked the habit and turned over a new leaf because of THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH OF ATHEISM?”

    You’ve just been giving us statistics of people who kicked the habit through their own efforts or choices. none of them ever claims along the line of “because there’s no god, so I have to do this on my own.”
    The ones you quoted just claimed generally “i chose to stop because this isn’t healthy, bad for me, I didn’t like it, etc etc…”

  7. Zack T Says:

    No, it doesn’t amount to the same thing.

    In the articles posted, these people quit because of God…

    The statistics you gave only showed people quitting because of personal reasons/choices.

    Was there ever anyone who was convinced by Atheism that God does not exist, and from there quit their addictions?

  8. Simon Thong Says:

    Ron should try fishing, go to a river, try to catch something..at least he would be away from his computer. Maybe, catch a fish that he could take home to get his wife to cook for dinner. More productive than what he’s doing now.

  9. Ron Says:

    “How many drug-addicts do you know who kicked the habit and turned over a new leaf because of THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH OF ATHEISM?”

    The question starts from a false premise that atheism is a religious doctrine or set of beliefs, which is not the case. Atheism is strictly defined as a lack of beliefs in a god or gods. No one enters the world with an inherent belief in supernatural deities; much less a belief in the personal god promulgated by Judeo-Christianity. Those beliefs are inculcated into us from birth by the culture we’re raised in; and they are adopted unquestioningly because innocent children lack the mental tools necessary to make an informed choice. Can anyone keep a straight face and tell me that Lee Strobel’s five-year-old daughter made the decision to accept Christ as her personal Saviour after conducting an intense and exhaustive investigation into all the world’s religious doctrines?

    It’s only at a later stage in life that anyone is capable of examining the claims at a more critical level and weighing them for their merits. And for some people this takes a considerable amount of effort and courage, because criticizing established social norms is heavily frowned upon. The decision to leave one’s faith carries a heavy price, especially for those coming from a strict fundamentalist/evangelical background. I know this, because I went through it. To state that someone haphazardly “converts” to atheism overnight without forethought is an insult to anyone who’s endured the backlash from family, friends, and lifelong acquaintances.

    “You’ve just been giving us statistics of people who kicked the habit through their own efforts or choices. none of them ever claims along the line of “because there’s no god, so I have to do this on my own.”

    Given the unequivocal reasons already cited, why should god even factor into the argument?

    The ones you quoted just claimed generally “i chose to stop because this isn’t healthy, bad for me, I didn’t like it, etc etc…”

    Those seem like completely sound and logical reasons to me.

    “In the articles posted, these people quit because of God…”

    And in my opinion they’ve substituted one dependency for another. I’m not denigrating their success, but shouldn’t they recognize it as their own? What happens if their belief in God falters?

    “The statistics you gave only showed people quitting because of personal reasons/choices.”

    That’s because the cold, hard reality is that all difficult decisions come down to a matter of personal choice. And don’t Christians insist “free will” factors into all our decisions? If we’re solely responsible for all our bad choices, then why should God get to steal the credit when we make good choices? You can’t play it both ways.

    Was there ever anyone who was convinced by Atheism that God does not exist, and from there quit their addictions?

    Yes, there are. Here’s one:

    “My job is to stop your suffering and give you hope. It wasn’t until I deconverted from religion that I was able to overcome my addictions.”

    http://www.atheistthinktank.net/atheist_alcoholic.html

  10. Simon Thong Says:

    I was not inculcated with Judaeo-Christian belief from birth. Atheism is, according to the functionalist definition, a religion. You are a believer in atheism.

  11. Zack T Says:

    Hahhaah… I read the article that you linked, Ron. The only religion the person ‘deconverted’ from is the AA.. hahaha.

    Plus there are a number of misunderstandings is very evident throughout the article.

    2. Believe in a Power greater than us….
    her understanding – belief that the group is the greater Power??? What?

    Her other claim – she couldn’t ‘get it’ because she had been waiting to find God and for God to cure her and ‘her suffering friends’?
    Based on my understanding of the AA’s 12 steps, it is definitely true that they didn’t ‘get it’.. The main point was to seek God while allowing Him to help them overcome their addiction.. These bunch were just waiting for the result of the recovery, but not ignoring the ‘seeking God’ part. it’s no wonder God did not help them and ‘they suffered’.

    Another of her misconception – she came into AA as an atheist and maintained her views throughout her involvement with the AA and believed that the AA’s program would still help her (even though the AA required God’s involvement).

    So, the reason why this person was only able to overcome her addiction is because she had the initial intent to overcome her addiction, but had made the wrong choice to entrust herself to a group that did not suit her needs or her beliefs. (She didn’t overcome her addiction because of the ‘undeniable truth of atheism)

    Yes, atheism is a religion because it is, like any other religion, a set of beliefs.

    Atheism Doctrines:
    1. Doctrine of the non-Existential God/s
    – First and foremost, we believe God does not exist. (If Atheism is a lack of belief of a god or gods, then Christianity is an abundance of belief in ONE God.)

    2. Doctrine of The ‘Real’ Truth
    – We believe we hold the truth while those following any form of belief of a god or gods don’t.

    3. Doctrine of Conversion
    – We believe we must overcome all other religions that believes in a god or gods and establish Atheism as the main and true ‘religion’ throughout the world.

    Looks like a set of beliefs and doctrines to me. ^_^
    (And these are the ones I can think of at the moment..)

  12. Zack T Says:

    Sorry, correction to one of my statements..

    ” These bunch were just waiting for the result of the recovery, but not ignoring the ‘seeking God’ part. ”

    Corrected:
    These bunch were just waiting for the result of the recovery, and yet ignored the ‘seeking God’ part.

  13. Simon Thong Says:

    Atheism is the BELIEF that there is no God. Atheists have this as their supreme docrine. Commited atheists are dominated by this doctrine and spend their lives attacking and denouncing believers in God. This doctrine and derived activities are their purpose in life.

    There are also the High Priests of Atheism at whose altar atheists bow their knees: Darwin, Carl Sagan….

  14. Ron Says:

    Congratulations Simon! You’re one of the few who moved away from the religion you were immersed in from birth.

    But my treatise still stands. Children who grow up in predominantly Christian countries will be taught Christian beliefs. Children born in Muslim countries will be taught from the Qu’ran. Jewish kids will learn from the Torah. Children from Hindu countries will subscribe to Hindu beliefs, etc,. etc., etc.,

    In countries where it’s permitted, a certain percentage of people may convert and adopt other religious beliefs, or abandon them entirely; but on average, most people die with the exact same religion they were born into, whether they practiced it actively or not.

    The term atheism originated from the Greek (atheos), meaning “without gods”

    Religion: (1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

    Atheists don’t hold services to worship God or the supernatural and make no commitments or devotions to religious faith or observances. Hence atheism is not a religion. :p

  15. Ron Says:

    @ Zack

    If you have problems with the author’s analysis of AA you’ll have to take it up with her. However the fact remains that AA was found by evangelists, requires a belief in God, and alienates non-believers.

    And atheists have no doctrines or creeds.. About the only thing they can agree on is that they don’t engage in conversations with imaginary friends.

  16. Zack T Says:

    Religion: (1) the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance

    Well.. you kinda have a ‘God’.. and it is man, since men are the highest level of intelligence in this natural world. otherwise, it’d be Aliens as Richard Dawkin believes.

    Let’s see… faith implies belief despite lack of physical evidence…
    Has science ever indefinitely prove the impossibility of God or any intelligent being existing outside this universe? No.
    Thus, an atheist’s belief in the non-existence of a ‘God’ is a religious faith. Hence, atheism is a religion. =P

    Atheists have unwritten but universal doctrines of beliefs.. They’re not part of an organized religion, hence not all atheists around the world share the same doctrines… almost similar to how Hinduism or Buddhism don’t hold much standard in their teaching throughout the world. (i.e. ‘karma’ in the east means way different compared to ‘karma’ in the west)

    Despite the lack of an organized religious system… Atheism is still a set of beliefs,as I’ve stated earlier.

  17. Ron Says:

    According to wikipedia:

    God is the English name given to a singular omnipotent being in theistic and deistic religions (and other belief systems) who is either the sole deity in monotheism, or a principal deity in polytheism.

    Men are not gods, nor do I know of any atheist who holds that view.

    “faith implies belief despite lack of physical evidence…”

    More precisely: belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

    In formal logic it’s impossible to prove a negative, so the onus of proof rests with the person making the positive claim. Theists posit the existence of a supernatural entity. Atheists say: prove it.

    The ball is in your court.

    Re: doctrines and beliefs

    As I stated earlier, atheists have only one thing in common: a lack of belief in supernatural beings. And a lack of beliefs cannot be a belief.

  18. Simon Thong Says:

    Atheists function as propagators of a faith, a collective faith, with its central tenet that there are no gods or God. They attack those with faith, not leaving the latter alone with their meaningful lives. Discontented with their own small numbers, they crave for world dominance.They exhibit a fervour similar to that of the earliest witch-hunters, the Inquisitionists.

    As for atheists’ so-called non-religious alternative to AA, atheists say a great deal but apart from self-proclaimed success, have shown no evidence that they offer even as good a method as that of AA, let alone a superior one. They are envious of AA’s success story, and run it down, just as they decry the stories of miracles. Parasitical.

  19. Ron Says:

    I can’t speak for other countries, but in the USA you can’t go more than a few blocks before you’re reminded of God worship. If it’s not a gigantic church, synagogue, mosque, cathedral, or humongous 100 ft. cross, then it’s a road sign, billboard, or poster warning of eternal hellfire or offering salvation. On street corners the Jesus freaks shout over megaphones or rush up and push tracts in your face. At home your confronted by JWs or Mormon missionaries. God’s name appears on currency and in the Pledge of Allegiance. Politicians, public officials, and court witnesses swear oaths on Bibles. Public meetings and school sporting events often begin with an opening prayer. Nativity scenes are set up on public property. God, Jesus, and religion are pitched over the air on television and radio 24/7/365. Carnival preachers fill huge stadiums to hold revivals. We see religious pickets at abortion clinics and protests to post the ten commandments in public buildings, teach creationism in public schools, or ban homosexual unions.

    I can’t think of any other conscious or subconscious cultural meme that so completely permeates all of North American thinking as the notion of God. It’s as ubiquitous as the air we breathe.

    Yet even the tiniest bit of criticism or resistance to overt Christian domination raises a maelstrom of indignation from holy rollers who immediately claim their sacred beliefs are being viscously attacked by godless heathens out to destroy the fabric of American society.

  20. Simon Thong Says:

    It seems to me that you’re describing yourself. Just a little red flag waved in front of your atheistic nose and off you go! If your indignation could be heard, it would deafen our ears.

  21. Nasaei Ahmad Says:

    Ron and Robert.., I think one of the (many) proofs that God created living things (and non-living matters) is that, science confirmed lifeless matter (rocks, sand or soil,..or any non-life matter) did not produce the first ever life, billion of years ago. In short, any living creature didn’t crawl out of rock, or earth, or water..but CREATED by God. If this simple idea is wrong, then science can prove it otherwise – by repeating or producing life repeatedly (or ONCE) the birth of a life in a test tube or lab. But it NEVER EVER been so.

    I simply do not understand why you keep saying of scientifically UNPROVEN unproven idea (life started by evolution, or “by itself”, “from nothing” etc.

    I’m talking about the fisrt ever life that came into being long, long time ago. Is it not proven that.. no such a thing ever proved ??

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