‘Wrong to Be Happy Osama Died’ Smug Moral Equivalence


Lots of Smug people are saying that celebrating Osama’s death makes us as bad as those who cheered when 9/11 happened.

That is moral equivalence of the worst type.

It’s like if a serial rapist/killer attacks twenty victims and his gang members cheer him on, then when he is cornered and gunned down by police the public cheers – and the Smugs say the public might as well be cheering rape/murder.

34 Responses to “‘Wrong to Be Happy Osama Died’ Smug Moral Equivalence”

  1. Zack T Says:

    We live in a godless and sinful generation… where there is no such thing as justice anymore.

  2. loop Says:

    Should we ever be jubilant about someone’s death? The Islamic tradition is, “Inna lillahi wa ina alahi rajioun”/“From God we come and to Him do we return.” This acts as a reminder of the ultimate end.

    But there were scenes of jubilation after 9/11 in some parts of the world, & scenes of jubilation at the death of Bin Laden. Moral equivalence? Maybe for those giants upon this earth with faces of slightly reptilian features.
    Remember me a lot of descended of Annunaki.

  3. Simon Thong Says:

    Have you forgotten the jubilation that greeted 911?

    “Fox News reported that in Ein el-Hilweh, Lebanon’s largest Palestinian refugee camp, revelers fired weapons in the air, with similar celebratory gunfire heard at the Rashidiyeh camp near the southern city of Tyre as well.

    Reports and images of Palestinians from East Jerusalem, Nablus, and Lebanon taking to the streets in celebration, were broadcast around the world. with many newspapers, magazines, Web sites and wire services running photographs.”

  4. Billy Gotta-Job Says:

    Actually, Simon, it’s more that your analysis is intellectual laziness of the worst type. Your analogy is ridiculous. Those whom you arrogantly dismiss as “Smugs” (the capital letter denoting what, exactly?) would not be saying anything of the sort. What they would be saying is that “gunning” someone down is not justice, and that the standards of justice are not somehow reduced in inverse ratio to the seriousness of the crime.

    For an analysis of the issues, rather than the blind statement of an unexamined prejudice, you and your readers might usefully take a look at http://billynojob.wordpress.com/2011/05/08/bbc-world-have-your-say-on-the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden/

  5. Scott Thong Says:

    I, Scott, am the author of the post. Simon is a commenter.

  6. Billy Gotta-Job Says:

    Apologies, so you are. The family name confused me.

  7. Scott Thong Says:

    It’s okay, has happened often enough. I’d just like to take the flak from any comments myself.

    Here are some examples of commentators totally forgetting (which is a best case scenario really, considering the alternative) that Osama was someone who advocated death for kuffars (and not-Muslim-enough Muslims), and end up equating him to the bloke on the street:

    I’ve heard too many Israelis justify the occupation of Palestinian territory with statements like, “They’re animals, they celebrate when we’re killed.” I’ve heard the same rhetoric come from American mouths, “The Muslim world cheered after the 9/11 attacks.” Americans — many of whom consider their so-called War on Terror morally righteous — must ask themselves if the images of their celebrations really look so different than those that they condemn.Mya Guarnieri, HuffPo

    When I saw that folks were celebrating in the streets at the news of bin Laden’s death, my first reaction was a cringe. Remember how we all felt watching videos of Muslims dancing in celebration on Sept. 11, 2001?Petula Dvorak, WaPo

    But what has become of this world where we have accepted that violence and death are simply what should happen to people we don’t like, especially if they are distant and foreign? How have we managed to numb ourselves to it all? – Marina Mahathir, The Star

    Got that? Those who cheered the death of a man who spurred on indiscriminate mass murder are the same as those who cheered the murder of 3000 people. Osama is as morally guilty/blameless as any one of us.

    A whole list more here too.

    If you are not of the equivalating sort as the above, then take no offense at my post – you are not one of the capital-S Smugs who tick me off so.

  8. Scott Thong Says:

    In other news… Browsing your blog, I find that I am in agreement with quite a number of your views as espoused in your posts.

    Perhaps our personal viewpoints on this “Yay Osama died” matter bears some clearing up, as it may turn out that we actually hold similar views with minor differences.

  9. wits0 Says:

    I believe Billy Gotta-Job ought to reexamine his own accusation of” intellectual laziness” about the Thongs just because they happen also to be Christians. It’s easy to be Smug and place yourself high on the faddist moral high ground of moralizing fudge.

    I recall it was the Buddha who said that one has not the right to destroy that which he cannot create yet the same never taught that one has no right to self defense. OBL was a dangerous indiscriminate killer who clearly took it upon himself that he can willfully slaughter anyone just because these ppl do not submit to his type of ideology and paranoia.

    Ulu, Ulu, Ulu, Ulu, Ulu….!
    http://tinyurl.com/3mc3bul

  10. Simon Thong Says:

    Billy Gotta-Job Says:
    May 12, 11 at 6:46 pm
    Actually, Simon, it’s more that your analysis is intellectual laziness of the worst type.

    Nothing to do with intellectual lazines when you, Beeeeeeeeeelleeeeeeee
    Gottttta-Jobbbbb, can’t even get the names right. Everything to do with reading. My Year 1 teacher used to say, “Now, boy, read CAREFULLY!” LOL.

  11. simonthongwh Says:

    Simon Thong will become simonthongwh in all further comments.

  12. Ron Says:

    “Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.”

    OBL not only orchestrated the mass murder of thousands of innocent people, but took credit for it and gloated. His sycophants and followers marched in jubilation after the event.

    While I didn’t personally dance a jig upon learning of his demise, should I really shed crocodile tears if others (and especially those personally affected by 9/11) did?

    Besides, shouldn’t Muslims be joyously celebrating his death? According to their beliefs, Osama is now relaxing in paradise enjoying his 72 raisins.

  13. loop Says:

    They killed Osama they smug. 9/11 was conspiracy theirs and you smugly said it equivalance!

  14. loop Says:

    ‘Osama is now relaxing in paradise enjoying his 72 raisins.’

    What do you expect Christ will paid the full penalty for his sins and saved from eternal death and given the gift of eternal life?

  15. Zack T Says:

    Loop said, “What do you expect Christ will paid the full penalty for his sins and saved from eternal death and given the gift of eternal life?”

    That is your response to an atheist?

  16. simonthongwh Says:

    Seriously, loop, do you still think that 911 is a conspiracy of the American govt? Just like Dr M? LOL

  17. Billy Gotta-Job Says:

    @wits0 “I believe Billy Gotta-Job ought to reexamine his own accusation of” intellectual laziness” about the Thongs just because they happen also to be Christians.”

    Interesting that you choose to attribute views to me rather than bother to find out if I hold those views. I am also a Christian, if you’re interested, although I fail to see what it has to do with the matters at hand. My objections have nothing whatever to do with the religious beliefs of those I criticise.

  18. Ron Says:

    “What do you expect Christ will paid the full penalty for his sins and saved from eternal death and given the gift of eternal life?”

    Although I don’t subscribe to any religious ideology, Christianity posits that Osama could only gain eternal salvation if he freely confessed his sins and accepted Christ as his personal Lord and Savior prior to death…. but that would be heresy, wouldn’t it?

  19. Scott Thong Says:

    To genuinely do so would need him to be genuinely repentant and remorseful over every evil thing he had done, and be convicted with a desire to make amends and accept earthly justice for his actions so no – no heresy here.

  20. simonthongwh Says:

    Didn’t Obummer instruct the SEALS to give Osama a chance to confess his sins and ask for forgiveness?

  21. wits0 Says:

    “Didn’t Obummer instruct the SEALS to give Osama a chance to confess his sins and ask for forgiveness?”

    In colloquial Hong Kong parlance, that’s called “talking Jesus”. Mr Conceit cum Deceit aka TOTUS isn’t well known for such. Even Carter was a fake. The PC TOTUS clearly was stressing on (unappreciated)respect for his enemy more than anything else.

  22. loop Says:

    ‘..confess his sins and ask for forgiveness’
    From Jesus?Haha even an atheist knew it’s a heresy.ben Laden is a Muslim and Jesus only a prophet.
    Of course ben Laden refused to confess and they shot him dead; unarmed without a trial and throw the body to the sea as a ‘fishfood’ like said Scott. Is this what Jesus taught his followers?
    Clearly see evils with bloody hand .
    I believe judgment is not ours to make. I believe in a just God and I believe that Osama bin Laden, for all the talk of rewards in heaven, will be enjoying his meeting with the God of Creation.

  23. simonthongwh Says:

    If you can have Osama enjoying his meeting with the “God of Creation”, then it won’t be at the same address the Trinity lives at. Osama is at the other place.

  24. Ron Says:

    … Osama is at the other place.

    Currently the most popular song on American iPods. 8)

  25. simonthongwh Says:

    That’s an excellent cartoon. My youngest son was the lobster in his music studio’s performance.

  26. loop Says:

    Poetic, Ron. Which part of “The Good Book: A Humanist Bible” that borrows some of the Bible’s genres,that you refer to? “Genesis,” “Lamentations,” “Songs,” “Proverbs,” “Acts” or “Epistles.” ?

    Atheist got “Bibles”–What will they think of next,Simonthongwh?

  27. Ron Says:

    I haven’t read A. C. Grayling’s book.

    “Atheist got “Bibles”–What will they think of next,Simonthongwh?”

    Bible – Middle English, from Old French, from Medieval Latin biblia, from Greek, plural of biblion book, diminutive of byblos papyrus, book, from Byblos, ancient Phoenician city from which papyrus was exported (Webster’s)

    Common usage (usually uncapitalized): any book or written work that is considered authoritative in its field, e.g. The C Programming Language (book) is often referred to as “the bible of C programming” (Wikipedia)

    In any case, the only thing atheists share in common is a lack of belief in gods. Not all humanists are atheists, nor are all atheists humanists.

  28. simonthongwh Says:

    but the atheists who come onto this blog share the same common characteristic

  29. Scott Thong Says:

    From Jesus?Haha even an atheist knew it’s a heresy.ben Laden is a Muslim and Jesus only a prophet.
    Of course ben Laden refused to confess and they shot him dead; unarmed without a trial and throw the body to the sea as a ‘fishfood’ like said Scott. Is this what Jesus taught his followers?
    Clearly see evils with bloody hand . – loop

    Yup loop, that’s about as accurate a representation of Jesus’ teachings as Osama-style kill-all-kuffar-and-not-Muslim-enough-ummah is an accurate representation of Islam.

    So is it accurate of inaccurate? Care to tell us, loop?

  30. loop Says:

    So inaccurate Scott oh Scott, it is only ‘an Osama’ but your proud Uncle Sam responsible for untold millions of tortures, disappearances, and deaths. …http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads1.htm

  31. Scott Thong Says:

    Uncle Sam is responsible for saving a few hundred million people from the Germans and Japanese, most of South-East Asia from the communists, millions of Afghans from the Soviets then the Taliban, and 30 million Iraqis from Saddam, the UN and jihadis.

    Soooooo… What did your uncle do?

    Btw, the CIA are amateurs compared to these guys: http://alturl.com/grwuu

    Especially how many Muslims they torture and kill.

  32. loop Says:

    ‘but the atheists who come onto this blog share the same common characteristic’. Yes, same address too like hybrid on Ron Says:
    May 15, 11 at 9:53 pm

    ‘Not all humanists are atheists, nor are all atheists humanists.’
    I believe you because as a worldview, atheism is fraught with philosophical problems.

  33. simonthongwh Says:

    Not all atheists are communists; nor are all communists, atheists. Unfortunately for their people, Lenin and Stalin = communists =socialists=atheists=slaughter of millions; same in China where communists=socialists=atheists= slaughter of millions.

  34. Ron Says:

    “I believe you because as a worldview, atheism is fraught with philosophical problems.”

    Not so much philosophical problems as questions that remain to be answered… without resorting to mysticism.

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