The section from around 44:00 to 48:00 is a massacre:

“Does God will that children will be abused? Does God will that children will be?

“Yeah, one of His wills.

“Does he will it into existence that children will be abused?”

“The creative sense, yes.”

“So God decrees child abuse?”


“Okay, rape. He decrees that also?”


“He decrees all over. God decrees, it has to come into reality that’s what Proverbs 16:33 and verse of the passage state.”

“Yes, sure.”

“And rape is evil. Rape is an action that indeed is immoral. Yes?”


“But God decrees that people will do it.”



“Like I said earlier, for His own purpose and for His own glory, His own pleasure.

“Right, so tell me what that means. So God has somebody raped, somebody with his decreetive will. And he does it for his own, what was the word you used, pleasure. For his own glory. So how is it bringing glory to God when he has somebody rape a woman?”

“As he states in the passage, and not just in Romans 9 but as elsewhere within, especially Romans 3, that He uses so to demonstrate the wrath of God upon the sinner. Upon the wicked who do these particular acts. So that His justice may be seen upon those who act upon sin and then to give grace to the others.”

“So he, in order to show people how powerful he is, he’s going to have people rape people so that he could punish the people who can’t go against what he’s decreed?”


“You think this sounds reasonable from the Christian?”

“We will do it, is the only thing that can be reasonable versus all the other different worldviews out there.”

Much more experienced debator James White isn’t immune to this either: and :

Calvinist theologian James White takes a similar stance. In a debate with Hank Hannegraaf and George Bryson, White was asked, “When a child is raped, is God responsible and did He decree that rape?” To which Mr. White replied… “Yes, because if not then it’s meaningless and purposeless and though God knew it was going to happen he created it without a purpose… and God is responsible for the creation of despair… If He didn’t [decree child rape] then that rape is an element of meaningless evil that has no purpose.” 

Congratulations to the Calvinist, they get an A+ for an exam on their systematic theology. Meanwhile, listeners abandon the faith.

Although I don’t think that Calvinism is correct, it still represents part of the body of Christ. In the eyes of the world, their embarrassing performance impugns our God by association.

Any Calvinist – especially those in the public sphere – needs to prepare a proper response to these kinds of questions. Something that adheres to their views, but doesn’t easily end up as a GOTCHA soundbite that can be used as fodder by critics.

I know that they aren’t about to so easily ditch their systematic just because of the apologetic deadweight it ties to their swimming legs – they can’t just clarify “I am not a Calvinist“! God permitting evil is not God wanting evil!

But Calvinists can at least prepare the Greater Good Defense without straying from the systematic they are married to. I cover that as well as free-will defenses here:

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