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‘THEY’ REALLY DO THINK I THINK THAT?

June 20, 22

Gather round ye all, for a tale of epic facepalmness… And yet also, sudden clarity! Maybe I was Gnostically enlightened? (read on to catch the reference…)

1) WITH GREEN ANONIMITY BARS
Awhile ago, I had a run-in with a certain member in the Soteriologi101 Discussion group on Facebook (whom shall not be named, unless they are headstrong enough to out themselves… which I honestly think will happen lol). They had been taking issue with some of my memes (nothing new or unusual there!), calling me ‘Diabolos’ for allegedly lying about what Calvinism teaches or logically results in (again, same old same old).

And then somehow… They got the bizarre notion that I was making the claim “Christ is unaware”. Probably as regards the future.

Now, many of you will know (and some of you chide me for it!) that I subscribe to Molinism – which has a view of God’s knowledge that is probably the highest of any system, what with Middle Knowledge and all! Less known but related, I also lean towards the ‘Declarative Know’ interpretation of “No one knows the day or the hour” as espoused by Anthony Rogers, whereby Jesus was not saying he has no awareness of when the Day of the Lord will be – rather, Jesus was saying that this is the Father’s prerogative to declare (compare what Paul says in 1 Cor 2:2).

It can’t even be with regards to something I said about Calvinism, since I do acknowledge that it teaches God knows everything future (albeit because God meticulously causes every event to happen). So it really makes no sense at all to accuse me of saying “Christ is unaware”.

But the last straw is when I repeatedly pushed for evidence of WHEN AND WHERE I ever said anything that sounds remotely like Christ doesn’t know something. The response was to accuse me of stealth-deleting the comment where I had allegedly said that.

From that time onwards, I stopped wasting my time and patience with constructing cogent and informative replies. I now respond to them only in memes and images (albeit ones that are contextual and relevant to the point).

All this went down in the first two tall screenshots with the green censorship bars.

BUT, after examining their interactions elsewhere, I am now starting to think that they might actually have a disconnect in communication and/or understanding. The data that I am imparting may be lost in translation (literally, as English is likely not their native language) – or else what is imparted is completely transmorgrified by the mind that receives the data!

2) WITH BLUE ANONIMITY BARS

For example, see the screenshot of what they think about those who affirm human free will. How is this at all related to actual Gnostic beliefs – whether its aspect of separation of good spirit from evil matter, or its claim that enlightenment to the truth is only granted to a certain few? The latter, of course, has many parallels with Calvinism’s Irresistible Grace – hence I replied to that post with lots of my memes pointing that fact out, along with Manichean Gnostic roots of Augustine (Calvin’s biggest influence). So score one point for the ‘warped data translation’ theory.

3) WITH ORANGE ANONIMITY BARS
Or the screenshot about selfless agape love. I ask you, is this merely a Non Sequitur? Or is it a complete 180-degrees inversion of what ‘selfless’ and ‘selfish’ normally mean? (Par for the course for Calvinism, where new dictionary definitions of ‘love, all, free’ are poofed out of thin air… But I digress.) So, seconded for the ‘alternate dimension where the laws of mindbrain operate differently’ hypothesis.

CONCLUSION
These examples have made me realize that perhaps in the case of apparent slander, they really DID think I had said “Christ is unaware” somewhere. I never actually ever said it, but their grasp of the English language and/or the way their brain interpreted the meaning may have resulted in “Christ is unaware” popping into their mind.

This may sound bizarre, but it’s not unheard of. Remember Kathy Newman’s infamous “So you’re saying…” interview of Jordan Peterson? Where every sentence he uttered was rephrased back to him with completely different meaning from what he just said?

Well I’ve actually read some serious analysis that says Newman WASN’T intentionally misrepresenting Peterson’s views right to his face, she HONESTLY DID THINK that was what he had just said!

Now that you’ve read my examination of the patient, those of you who’ve interacted with them before will probably already have figured out who they are. If you have, what do you think of my ‘Bizarro-world, funhouse mirror mind’ diagnosis? So be patient with the patient, it’s not intentional on their part!

But having deduced all that… Since I can’t communicate with them despite my best efforts at careful explanation anyway, I might as well continue to reply only in memes as promised! It’s actually more challenging to think of how and with what meme to respond.

FORESHADOW – SEEING THE SHADOW ‘FORE IT IS CAST

May 31, 22

Never thought of the word that way – reality is the ‘object’, knowledge about it is the ‘shadow’ that the reality casts, so if God knows about something before it happens then that is ‘foreshadow’.

God’s foreknowledge is like the foreshadowing of a future event. By seeing this foreshadowing, you know the events will happen, But the shadow does not determine the reality; the reality determines the shadow. Therefore, we should think of God’s foreknowledge as the foreshadowing of things to come. Therefore, just because God will know something will happen, this does not prejudice or remove the freedom of that happening.

RABBINIC BANS AGAINST INTERPRETING DANIEL 7 AS TEACHING ‘TWO POWERS’ DOCTRINE

March 24, 22

Left column is from Mekhilta of R. Simeon b. Yohai, right column is from Mekhilta debe R. Ishmael.

[Alan F. Segal, Two Powers in Heaven: Early Rabbinic Reports about Christianity and Gnosticism (N/p.: Brill, 1977), 33]

Hellboy’s Closing Scene & Christ’s Defeat of Death

March 24, 22

“I’ll cross over, and then you’ll be sorry” – basically a parallel to 1 Cor 2:8, Christ descending into Hades, the Harrowing of Hell, Christus Victor, ‘Jesus smacking Death & Hades around and taking their keys & lunch money’, etc 😉

Memes Where Calvinism Totally Inverts Plain Bible Passages

March 9, 22

Mainly due to ‘Regeneration Precedes Faith’.

See also related: JOEL WEBBON STUMPED ON COLOSSIANS 2:12 BY LEIGHTON FLOWERS and WWUTT’s Gabriel Hughes Stumped on Get Life to Get Christ To Get Life.

A very small subset of my 700+ memes at My Soteriological (and Other) Memes.

WWUTT’s Gabriel Hughes Stumped on Get Life to Get Christ To Get Life

March 1, 22

When Leighton Flowers asks a simple question about the Calvinist Ordo Salutis of ‘Regeneration precedes faith’ you see how the Reformed position immediately ties itself into knots trying to reconcile its philosophical presuppositions! You can almost hear Gabriel Hughes’ brain-gears screeching & scraping on the grit of illogic:

“I mean it’s it’s difficult for us to say really that all of those things happen in a particular sequence, uh, it’s really quite mysterious to us when it comes down to it”

“Well it’s a good argument, uh, but the, the, uh, regenerating work that is done by God in a person’s heart is not the everlasting life, the everlasting life that we have in Christ is by faith”

“Yeah again it’s the the order of events is difficult for us to fathom or to understand”

“I mean it might be crude for me to say that you are given life before you have life uh that’s, that’s, uh, complex… It’s complicated, most certainly”

See also similar: JOEL WEBBON STUMPED ON COLOSSIANS 2:12 BY LEIGHTON FLOWERS

Less Like Drowning, More Like Slow Disease

February 3, 22

JMB: If all men have natural faith to believe.. Then why you believe and the other was not? And why they still reject the gospel if men has a natural faith of its own to believe?

Me: The reason is simply because they chose to reject the Gospel. To ask what made them choose to reject the Gospel is to assume something other than themselves made the decision.

JMB: they have faith of themeselves but still refuse God to be their savior? It is just like a life boat that saves but men still to refuse and reject to go and be saved by the life boat??? Is that a good logical example? Who is that crazy man that he is already drawning but still refuse to be save by a life boat.

Me: It’s less like a drowning situation where immediate death is clearly staring them in the face, and more like a far-distant maybe-death that they can wilfully ignore. How many smokers do you come across who know the cancer risk, yet keep smoking? Or diabetes and heart-disease prone people who still gorge on their sweet, fat-laden treats?Eternal doom is waiting over the horizon, but some people are content to never look at the horizon. That is why there are many deathbed or desperate illness conversions, it is only when they are forced to confront their mortality that they suddenly realize they ARE afraid of what lies across the threshold.Do think a bit about what I said and how it reflects real life.

Wow Such Divine, So Council

January 29, 22

Much likes:

WLC & MSH: ROMANS 5 ON ADAM’S IMPUTED GUILT

January 27, 22

William Lane Craig: Rather the doctrine says that I am guilty for what Adam did, that I am punishable, I am liable to punishment because of what Adam did. His guilt is imputed to all of his posterity. I’ve argued that that’s not the best interpretation of either Genesis 3 – none of the curses on Adam and Eve is about such imputation of guilt or sin – nor does Paul describe that in Romans 5. Rather what Paul says in Romans 5 is that death spread to all men because all men sinned. – https://www.reasonablefaith.org/media/reasonable-faith-podcast/listener-questions-about-new-book-on-adam

Michael S. Heiser: Now, follow my thinking here: 5:12 death (not guilt) passes to ALL humans – https://drmsh.com/romans-512-and-universalism-applying-my-take-on-romans-512-to-the-problem/

See also: Subsets of Condemnation & Justification and Do Babies Who Die Go to Heaven? Some Responses (Heiser’s take on it)

WHEN YOUR REFORMED BRAIN-GEARS GRIND TO A SCREECHING HALT BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN CALVINISTIC ILLOGIC

January 26, 22

Hughes had a nicely packaged opening statement, but from 28:55 when Flowers asks a simple question about ‘Regeneration precedes faith’ you see how the Reformed position immediately ties itself into knots trying to reconcile its philosophical presuppositions!

Reciting confessional statements is easy, being forced to actually stop and think about what you just affirmed is hard. (By contrast, a non-Calvinist just simply says what the Bible plainly states: “Believe and have new life, faith precedes regeneration!”)

29:52 Flowers: “Regeneration or getting being reborn, given new life and you said yes. So that means somebody has to be born again given new life in order to come to Jesus, so they would have to have life before they have Jesus. And I’m asking, how does somebody have life apart from Christ?”

30:26 Hughes: “When we talk about this in in sort of a, a Reformed sort of a context”

30:50 Hughes: “I mean it’s, it’s difficult for us to say, really, that all of those things happen in a particular sequence… Uh, it’s really quite mysterious to us when it comes down to it. All that we know is that this is a work that God has done, we don’t affect it, God is the one who does”

31:24 Flowers” “Even the one you read earlier, John 20:31, by believing we may have life… It seems you get the order backwards, you say, well you have to have life in order to believe, and the Bible seems to say no, you believe so as to be given new life.”

31:37 Hughes: “Well it’s a good argument, uh but the, the uh, regenerating work that is done by God in a person’s heart is not the everlasting life, the everlasting life that we have in Christ is by faith. But that, the person’s spirit was dead and could not believe in Jesus until the work of the Father that is done on that person’s heart. So it is only through that regenerative work that we have life in Christ.”

32:10 Hughes: “Again it’s the, the order of events is difficult for us to fathom or to understand”

32:26 Flowers: “You are given life before you have life?”

32:32 Hughes: “Uh that’s, that’s uh, complex, it’s complicated, most certainly, well, um”


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