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Marina Mahathir Spreading Her Irrational Opinion

November 9, 11

The more I am exposed to Marina Mahathir’s musings ravings, the more I am convinced she is intentionally misleading herself and/or readers rather than being simply ignorant or lazy to research.

Especially on ‘Islamophobia’, which I have bashed her (intentionally?) myopic view at here and here and here.


FBI most wanted terrorists 2011

Terrorism in the United States – Islamic Extremism

1977 Hanafi Siege
1989 firebombing of the Riverdale Press
1990 Assassination of Meir Kahane by Egyptian
1990 Assassination of Rashad Khalifa for questioning Koranic verses
1993 Shootings at CIA Headquarters
1993 World Trade Center bombing
1993 New York City landmark bomb plot
1997 Empire State Building shootings
1997 Murder of Prison Guard by Haneef Bilal
2000 H. Rap Brown(Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin) shoots two police officers
2000 New York terror attack
2000 millennium attack plots
2001 September 11 attack
2002 Los Angeles Airport shooting
2002 José Padilla (Abdullah al-Muhajir) Plot
2002 Buffalo Six
2002 John Allen Muhammad (Washington Sniper) killings
2003 Columbus Shopping Mall Bombing Plot
2004 financial buildings plot
2005 Los Angeles bomb plot
2006 Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar SUV attack
2006 Sears Tower plot
2006 Seattle Jewish Federation shooting
2006 Toledo terror plot
2006 transatlantic aircraft plot
2007 Fort Dix attack plot
2007 John F. Kennedy International Airport attack plot
2009 Little Rock recruiting office shooting
2009 Bronx terrorism plot
2009 Dallas Car Bomb Plot by Hosam Maher Husein Smadi
2009 New York Subway and United Kingdom Plot
2009 Fort Hood shooting
2009 Colleen LaRose arrested (not made public until March 2010)
2009 Failed Christmas bombing of Northwest Flight 253
2010 Attempted suicide car crash on Whitestone Bridge
2010 2010 Times Square car bomb attempt
2010 King Salmon, Alaska local meteorologist and wife assassination plots
2010 Alleged Washington Metro bomb plot
2010 Alleged car bomb plot against Portland,Oregon Christmas tree lighting ceremony
2010 Alleged plot to bomb military recruiting center in Catonsville, Maryland
2010 Abu Talhah al-Amrikee death threats to South Park Creators- See: Zachary Adam Chesse
2011 Alleged Saudi Arabian student bomb plots
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot

Only a hate-filed Islamophobe could irrationally fear such men, surely!

Now more cases in point of her nutty view, via The Star or Malaysia Today:

Irrational fear abounds


Ten years later, although it cannot be said that Islamophobia has disappeared, Western perspectives on Islam have become more measured and based on better knowledge. One of the biggest boosts to the image of Islam and Muslims has been the Arab Spring.

Suddenly the images of Muslims were young, modern, and protesting not about the West but about their own corrupt leaders. Although they did not explicitly talk about religion, in 2011 the Middle East became associated with the yearning for freedom and democracy, one not too different from what developed countries enjoyed.

Women were seen at the forefront of the revolution, both head-scarved and not, and changed the image of the oppressed Muslim woman.

The reality? The Arab Spring has led to a surge in the power held by hardcore Islamists bent on jihad. Oh, and women are still treated like chattel. Think that will improve as the Muslim Brotherhood wrests control?

More Horrendous Details Surface On Lara Logan Gang Rape – It has also been revealed that she was stripped, punched and slapped by the crowd, which was labeling her a spy and chanting ‘Israeli’ and ‘Jew’ as they beat her. And medical sources have revealed that marks on her body were consistent with being whipped and beaten with the makeshift poles that were used to fly flags during the demonstration.

Women Continue to Struggle During Post-Arab Spring Transitions – “A pattern of targeting politically active women has emerged,” wrote Human Rights First’s Brian Dooley, who leaves this week to visit with female activists in Egypt and Indonesia. “Local activists report being assaulted, stripped, sexually baited, and threatened with charges of prostitution and virginity tests. There appears to be a policy of trying to intimidate women out of the political sphere through this gender violence.”

Mob Rule Does Not Equal Stability – It was argued that the Arab Spring was a move towards a freer and more humane society in the Muslim countries of the Middle East. After all, they couldn’t be any worse than the dictatorships which they overthrew. If only that were so. In Egypt last week we found state broadcasters loyal to the military junta urging ‘honourable Egyptians’ to help the army to put down the ‘sons of dogs’ (Coptic Christians) protesting the destruction of their churches. The ‘honourable Egyptians’ soon obliged, roaming the streets armed with rocks and sticks and, with the connivance and active participation of the police and army, attacking and even murdering Christians.

Shocker… Disciplined and Organized Islamists Squeeze Out Youth Groups in Egypt – Many liberal activists fear they have been side-lined since Mubarak’s February 11 overthrow by Egypt’s ruling military council and by more politically-experienced Islamist groups, well disciplined after operating for decades in secret while facing harsh persecution.

The View From Garbage City – This issue of sectarian tension lurks behind the election campaign now being waged across Egypt. People don’t often speak about it directly, but it’s an abiding fear here — as in most other countries shaken by the Arab Spring. The question is whether, as democracy empowers Islamist parties across the Arab world, the Christian minorities will have a viable future.

It Begins… Muslim Brotherhood Leader Tells Egyptian Army To Prepare For War With Israel – Mohamed Ghanem, one of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, calls Egypt to stop pumping gas to Israel and prepare the Egyptian army for a war with it’s eastern neighbor. … If the brotherhood takes control over Egypt, it will be very messy from the whole region.

Obama Lost Egypt?Islamists claimed a decisive victory on Wednesday as early election results put them on track to win a dominant majority in Egypt’s first Parliament since the ouster of Hosni Mubarak, the most significant step yet in the religious movement’s rise since the start of the Arab Spring. The party formed by the Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt’s mainstream Islamist group, appeared to have taken about 40 percent of the vote, as expected. But a big surprise was the strong showing of ultraconservative Islamists, called Salafis, many of whom see most popular entertainment as sinful and reject women’s participation in voting or public life. [Scott: Women like MARINA MAHATHIR, oh teh irony!]

Hamas is spoiling for a fight – But why – after being so soundly defeated by Israel two years ago – would Hamas want to go to war again. Barry has an interesting theory about that and it’s one that merits consideration. Barry believes that Hamas is hoping in a best case scenario to draw Egypt into a war with Israel, and in a less-than-best-case scenario to draw hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood volunteers to Gaza through the now-open borders to fight against Israel.

Muslim Brotherhood Leader: “Every Zionist Who Enters Egypt–Tourist Or Not–Should Be Killed.” – Last month Dr. Salah Sultan, a member of Yusuf al-Qaradawi’s International Union of Muslim Scholars (IUMS) and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, declared on al-Jazeera that the IUMS would restore the fatwa they issued in 1994, which stated that “every Zionist who enters Egypt–tourist or not–should be killed.”

Victory of Islamists in Tunisia sets tone of “Arab Spring” elections – The success of a formerly banned Islamist party in the Tunisian election is expected to define the post Arab Spring political landscape, as their Egyptian counterparts also anticipate victory and Libya sets up a new regime based on sharia law. … The ousted leaders of all three countries had kept a lid on Islamists, who have been unleashed in the wake of the respective downfalls of President Zine El Abedine Ben Ali of Tunisia, President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi.

Islamists Take Over Egypt – Library of Alexandria to Be Burned Again; Food for Half-Price The Royal Library of Alexandria in Egypt, the largest and most significant library of the ancient world, is now being targeted by radical Muslims who seek to replace it with a mosque. Radical Islamic groups claim that the library’s art programs, which include music and ballet dancing, spread “depravity” in Egyptian society.

From Arab Spring to post-Islamist summer – It is, therefore, not surprising that when Mr. Erdogan, during his Cairo visit, said Egyptians should aspire for a “secular state,” Muslim Brotherhood leaders roundly rebuked him.

Thus, although no Muslim ever asked for it, some people in the US insist that there are plans to impose syariah law there. The media stokes the hysteria and stigmatisation. Unjust accusations and calls for depriving them of citizenship becomes the norm.

The reality? Plenty of individuals and organizations openly and actively push for sharia implementation in the USA (and elsewhere in the supposedly secular West), to say nothing of those who advocate for it under the radar. Always be careful with absolute statements, it only takes one contrary example to defeat your entire premise.

70% of American Muslims Say US Should Impose Sharia: Legalized Polygamy – …nearly 70 percent said they believe that the U.S. should legalize polygamy…42 percent of those surveyed said they were either in, or knew others in polygamous marriages within the local Muslim community. Thirty nine percent said they would engage in a polygamous marriage if it were legal in the United States. … “And since a Shari’ah is understood as a law with God at its center, it is not possible in principle to limit the Shari’ah to some aspects of human life and leave out others.”[Tipped by hutchrun]

List of Shariah Organizations – Muslim Education Action Center of America … “We especially look for organizations that share our philosphical approach to the spread of Islam and the establishment of Sharia worldwide.”

List of Shariah Organizations – CAIR promotes a radical Islamic vision, as evidenced by the fact that its co-founder Omar Ahmad told a Fremont, California audience in July 1998: “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran … should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.” In a similar spirit, co-founder Ibrahim Hooper told a reporter in 1993: “I wouldn’t want to create the impression that I wouldn’t like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future.”

Sharia’s Encroachment into American Courts – The Islamic Thinker’s Society, another American group with members indicted or involved in terrorism, actively calls for Shariah law and is taking part in Shariah 4 America’s rally.

CAIR asks Indiana lawmakers to allow sharia law – In opposing a yet-to-be introduced bill that opposes the use of Islamic sharia law in Indiana, terror-linked Islamic group CAIR once again signals its intent to have Islamic sharia law legally recognized in the United States. … Note the Islamist nuance of “over and above state and federal law.” Not yet, but they do want sharia law, which is all the more reason to ban it.

Study: 62% of Muslims in Canada want some form of Sharia – A newly released survey suggests a large number of Muslims living in Canada will not disown Al-Qaida. The study, conducted by the MacDonald Laurier Institute, found 65% of Muslims questioned said they would “repudiate absolutely” the terrorist organization, while 35% would not do so.

Islamic Sharia Law Court Opens in Belgium – An Islamic Sharia law court has been established in Antwerp, the second-largest city in Belgium. The Sharia court is the initiative of a radical Muslim group called Sharia4Belgium. Leaders of the group say the purpose of the court is to create a parallel Islamic legal system in Belgium in order to challenge the state’s authority as enforcer of the civil law protections guaranteed by the Belgian constitution.

‘Wear a headscarf or we will kill you’: How the ‘London Taliban’ is threatening women and trying to ban gays in bid to impose sharia law – Women who do not wear headscarves are being threatened with violence and even death by Islamic extremists intent on imposing sharia law on parts of Britain, it was claimed today. … Stickers have been plastered on public walls stating: ‘Gay free zone. Verily Allah is severe in punishment’.

Though on the other hand, we have:

Muslim Group Seeks to Ban Sharia Law in America – In Oklahoma, courts are debating whether citizens have the right to ban Sharia law. And in Michigan, a group of Muslims have actually come out in strong opposition to Islamic law in America. In the case of Oklahoma, a 2010 ballot initiative put a stop to considerations of Islamic laws in making state court decisions. The measure, which passed by a 70 percent margin, was challenged by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).


Irrational fear? The only irrational beliefs here are Marina’s.

Marina Mahathir is Shamelessly Hacking Today

August 18, 11

I’ve often prodded her in the past, especially for her (intentional) myopia and double standards, but a section in this article has just gone too far.

Between 1987 and 1993 and 2000 and 2005, the Palestinian people went through two uprisings against the Israeli government, known as the First and Second Intifadas, respectively. Both Intifadas involved demonstrations, protests and, yes, a certain amount of violent rioting.

They were met with an even more violent response from the Israelis that resulted in many deaths and the eventual blockade of Gaza, still in force today.

Emphasis mine.

I can’t give her the benefit of the doubt, the application of Hanlon’s Razor, that what she said above is due to sheer ignorance.

Any fool can find on Wikipedia – that most basic, layperson of information sites – First Intifada and Second Intifada and find that they included the following certain amount of ‘violent rioting’ by Palestinians:

– Molotov cocktail attacks
– Hand grenade attacks
– Gun shootings, including with small arms, automatics and heavy machine guns
– Kidnappings
– Lynchings leading to death
– Luring a teenager to be ambushed and murdered
Sniper shooting of a baby
Suicide bombings of clubs, restaurants and buses full of women and children – including in ambulances and by children strapped with explosives!
– Taking clergy hostage and desecrating the Church of Nativity in Bethlehem
– Launching mortars and Qassam rockets
– Killing Palestinians accidentally through inept bomb making
– Killing Palestinians intentionally through using children and women as human shields
– Encouraging children to grow up to attack or suicide bomb Israel through kids shows and sing along songs
– Organized violence by Hamas and Islamic Jihad, terrorist groups which have as their stated goals the non-negotiable total destruction of Israel and the murder of Jews
– Palestinian death squads killing a thousand plus other Palestinians for allegedly collaborating with Israel (motherly example here), approved by Palestinian Liberation Organization leader ‘father of Palestine’ Yasser Arafat… Which by the end of the First Intifada killed more Palestianians than the Israelis did

This is Marina’s certain amount of violent rioting by Palestinians and even more violent response from the Israelis.

Post Intifada, you can add launching 10 rockets a day at Israelduring a ceasefire – to the above.

And for the record, the Second Intifada was intentionally sparked and spurred on by the notoriously corrupt Yasser Arafat, who had just rejected an offer for a Palestinian state at the Camp David Middle East Peace Summit.

In fact, imagine how much more poignant Marina’s contrast would be had she accurately portrayed the Palestinian Intifadas:


The Palestinians were exceedingly violent in their First and Second Intifadas against Israel – including carrying out shootings, suicide bombings, and even the cold-blooded murder of over a thousand Palestinians suspected of aiding Israel – yet our government fully supported them in their ‘protests’ against Israel.

Is it too much, then, to ask that our government support its own citizens who are engaging in a peaceful and orderly protest with nary a stone thrown or a bottle flung?

So I can no longer hold back.

Whatever point she may have been making about Malaysia’s government which I agree with does not erase the fact that, regarding the Palestine-Israel issue, I must voice my opinion now that MARINA MAHATHIR IS A SHAMELESS HACK.

(But oh, hey, wait. This is Dr. M’s daughter we’re talking about here. Maybe she too believes that Jews Rule the World, including and especially the media – Wikipedia included. That is why the information about the Palestine-Israel conflict there is hopelessly biased, skewed, unobjective in favor of the surely irredeemably evil Juice. /sarc)

Marina Mahathir: Protesting Sneaky BN Good, Deposing Murderous Saddam Bad!

July 20, 11

Excerpt from The Star 20 July 2011:

The polarised world of politics
By Marina Mahathir

The people who went to Bersih 2.0 are Malaysians who will forever feel united and bound to each other because of that experience. Some may have been politicians and NGOs but so many more were just people of every race, religion, age and creed.

Perhaps we should take another leaf from Sept 11. In the wake of the death and destruction wreaked by the US government to avenge the World Trade Centre deaths, some of the families of those who died, horrified by such violent vengeance, started an NGO called Not In Our Name.

I said it before about this Malaysiakini letter writer who similarly marched against the invasion of Iraq and then marched in Bersih, and I’ll say it again about Ms Marina:

You support demonstrations against the over-reactive Malaysian government who deploy tear gas and chemical-laced water cannon… Yet you consider morally deplorable the act of overthrowing the Iraqi dictator who far more brutally slaughtered hundreds of thousands of his own countrymen?

No, really… You feel BN manipulates elections and deserves a protest, but you don’t agree that a real unprovoked warmonger who sponsored torture, rape and chemical attacks on civilians deserved to be ousted with any more force than the usual UN-stamped letter of complaint?

I mean, try imagining a What-If scenario where BN turns full-on despotic dictator tyrant and starts slaughtering protestors on the streets, then invades Singapore which causes the UN to impose life-strangling sanctions on all of us. Ten years of this later, would you hail President Sarah Palin’s ‘Operation Trash BN’ invasion force as oppressors, or liberators? And when some former UMNO Youth hotheads respond by blowing us up in hospitals, schools. markets and mosques so that they can be the new bosses once the Americans leave in disgust, would you support the US Marines who shield you from shrapnel with their very bodies, or the Khairy-hideen suicide squads?

That ‘warmonger’ Bush by the way, whose mental faculties you mockingly insult in the opening of your column, saved a net 750,000 Iraqi lives. Today that figure must surely be in the millions. (List of related posts at bottom of this post.)

Your double standards are showing, madame.

And like I said before too, the kind of people one has to put up with simply because they are allies on certain causes. Sigh.

Marina Mahathir: Send Good Muslim Role Models, Ignore Islamophobes

October 13, 10

Marina Mahathir thinks the send-lecturers idea is a bad one (so do I, but for different reasons) and gives a sensible suggestion for an alternative strategy. And she has a one-sided view of Conservative personalities like Rush and Beck (not cited below), but I can’t blame her lack of exposure – the liberal media’s tentacles are far reaching.

Excerpted from The Star 13 Oct 2010:

An idea least likely to work

The truth is our people here have no idea what Islamophobia is and how it manifests itself. Islamophobes – just like Christianophobes, Hindu­phobes and Buddhistphobes – are not amenable to reason and facts but would rather delve into scurrilous beliefs.

I met someone once who asked me why Muslims liked to cut off people’s heads. That’s the sort of stuff Islamophobes like to say. No point in quoting the Quran there.

In fact, I’m not sure there is any point in trying to counter such prejudice and hate. But if we really want to, we need to unpack some of those beliefs about us and show them how untrue they are.

For instance, one of the many points held against Muslims is that we oppress our women. So the way to counter that is not to send male lecturers who will undoubtedly get defensive about this issue but to send bright young and articulate women who are doing things people don’t normally associate with Islam.

Send female fighter pilots, artists, mountain climbers, activists and the like and get them spots with the most popular talkshow hosts. There is no need to talk about religion at all; just talk about the amazing things they do. The point will be made.

Another charge often made against Muslim countries is that we are undemocratic. Here I don’t think we should even dream of trying to defend every single Muslim country in the world, least of all those which don’t have elections, jail dissidents and ban the Internet.

The truth is: Who are we to speak for the entire Muslim world? We may say we are peaceful people but then some people from another Muslim country might blow up a few of their country folk, and our credibility along with them.

We may say we have regular elections and then someone would point at those countries ruled by ridiculously wealthy royal families. We may show off our educated women and someone would bring up the torched girls’ schools in Afgha­nistan.

So let’s forget this silly idea and instead deal with our own extremist problems at home. God knows we have enough of them and are doing precious little to counter their many phobias. Lecturers wouldn’t be any good here either.

Hmm, she seems to contradict herself a bit on the second paragraph I cite above – apparently the person who thought Muslims like to cut off people’s heads is an Islamophobe who is not amenable to reason and facts, but then in the third-to-last paragraph cited above, she gives an example of why some people might think Islam is compatible with violence.

And of course, this:



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