Posts Tagged ‘New Life Church’

Gun Wielding Maniac Attack: Conservative vs Liberal Result

December 14, 07

Learned of via Moonbattery, reposted from original at Hog on Ice:


New Life Church or Virginia Tech?

I Choose New Life

I can’t resist making this comparison.


There is a church. Lots of people are inside. They believe Jesus is the living Son of God and part of the Holy Trinity. A person who can’t be reasoned with shows up to kill as many as possible. He has already killed two people at another church. He kills two girls in the parking lot, but when he gets inside, a private citizen with a carry permit shoots him over and over, and he gives up and shoots himself.

“Vigilante” death tally: 2


There is a church. Lots of people are inside. They believe Jesus is a dead and possibly fictional homosexual who was misguided but nearly as nice as Buddha. A person who can’t be reasoned with shows up to kill as many as possible. He has already killed two smug androgynous salespeople at a nearby Apple Store. He kills two girls in the parking lot. When he gets inside, the congregation notices that he’s shooting people, and they get angry at George Bush for whatever he and Halliburton did to turn this boy into a killer. A few quick-thinking souls rush forward to give him hugs, but he drops them in the aisles. There are no guns on the property except his, so he shoots until he runs out of bullets or the cops show up. Oops, the cops take ten minutes, or 600 seconds. By that time, he has fired several hundred rounds at a fairly relaxed pace, and nearly everyone in the place is dead or wounded. The cops arrive to find him dead.

Progressive death tally: dozens

Which church would you rather be in when the nut shows up?

It’s a damn good thing Jeanne Assam wasn’t at Virginia Tech. She might have hindered the campus police by killing Seung-Hui Cho before he managed to murder 33 people. This could have created a lot of annoying paperwork and might have been a dangerous setback to the gun control movement.

Oh, yeah. Taking away guns and relying on the cops did a world of good at Virgina Tech. If only the unwashed savages at the New Life Church were as enlightened as the academics who banned guns on the Virginia Tech campus. They, too, could have known the joy of giving their lives so others could enjoy the privilege of living in a gun-free zone.

I’m sorry. I shouldn’t be flippant. But how do people get this goddamn stupid?


If the government passes a law banning all firearms, only the lawbreakers will have guns. 

For your reference:

New Life Church: Matthew Murray had recently murdered staff at a Youth With A Mission (YWAM) office. He was carrying two handguns, an assault rifle and over 1,000 rounds of ammunition when he shot and killed two teenage girls outside the New Life Church. As he entered the church building, volunteer security guard Jeanne Assam confronted him and opened fire with her handgun, diasbling him. He then committed suicide by shooting himself in the head. More at Malkin, Wikipedia.

Virginia Tech: Seung-Hui Cho was armed with two handguns when he went on a killing spree at the Virginia Tech school. No one was armed with a personal firearm to confront and stop him. By the time police arrived, Cho had already shot and killed 32 students and teachers before shooting himself in the head while the police took 5 minutes to break through the locks into the building. More at Wikipedia and Malkin.

See also my post on whether civilians armed with hidden guns make things safer or worse, with more examples of privately owned guns stopping mass murderers, at On Gun Controls: Five Scenarios

And see this very intelligent post that argues how guns are an equalizer that deters, not encourages, the use of violent force to solve disputes, at Munchkin Wrangler.

Excerpt below:

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gangbanger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

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