Miss California Carrie Prejean Marriage Remarks Controversy – Roundup of Updates


The following is a chronological account of the controversy surrounding Miss California Carrie Prejean’s remarks on what marriage means to her, with links to coverage and videos.

Personally, I feel that she has become more famous than if she had denied her own convictions and pandered to political correctness, and actually won the Miss USA title. God bless you, Carrie!

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First, Miss California, Carrie Prejean is asked during the Miss USA contest to pick a judge who will ask her a question. She chooses Perez Hilton, who asks her about her views on states legalizing gay marriage. She answers honestly that she believes that marriage should be between a man and a woman. She is cheered by the audience for her answer.

Perez Hilton: “Vermont recently became the fourth state to legalize same sex marriage. Do you think every state should follow suit? Why or why not?”

Carrie Prejean: “Well I think it’s great that Americans are able to choose one or the other. Um, we live in a land that you can choose same sex marriage or opposite marriage and, you know what, in my country and in, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there. But that’s how I was raised and that’s how I think that it should be between a man and a woman.”

or

(Gateway Pundit link 1, Michelle Malkin link 1, Moonbattery link 1)

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After that exchange, Perez Hilton releases a video where he calls Carrie Prejean a ‘dumb b*tch’ for her answer.

(Gateway Pundit link 1, Michelle Malkin link 1, Moonbattery link 1)

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Then, Perez Hilton ratches it up, taking back his apology and saying on an interview that he actually meant to call Carrie Prejean a ‘c*nt’ rather than a ‘b*tch’. Video at the Michelle Malkin and Moonbattery links.

(Michelle Malkin link 2, Moonbattery link 1, The Jawa Report link 1)

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And then Perez Hilton admits that that Carrie Prejean lost out on the Miss USA contest specifically because of her answer to the question.

“The way miss California answered her question lost her the crown, without a doubt!” Perez told Access Hollywood after the pageant.

(Gateway Pundit link 2)

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Meanwhile, Carrie Prejean has no regrets about the way she answered, and says that God was testing her faith. See here for why she might have said that.

FOXNews.com: “How are you feeling today?”

Carrie Prejean: “Honestly, happy. This happened for a reason. By having to answer that question in front of a national audience, God was testing my character and faith. I’m glad I stayed true to myself.”

(Fox News link 1)

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While Perez Hilton (who was not the target of insults) rants and raves and spews more vile epithets, the classy Carrie Prejean says that she is praying for Perez Hilton and feels sorry for him. Video at the link.

“I can only say to him that I will be praying for him. I feel sorry for him, I really do,” Prejean said. “I think he’s angry, I think he’s hurt. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. He asked me specifically what my opinion was on that subject and I gave him an honest answer… It (the Perez question) was obviously a test of my faith. A test of my character; my person. And, I am blessed to be here right now.”

(Gateway Pundit link 3)

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Then, Carrie Prejean again says in another a video interview that she feels sorry for Perez Hilton. She doesn’t think it’s right that she was penalized for her personal views. See ADDENDUM at bottom of the page for reference for her ‘majority of the people in my state agreed with me’ remark.

Carrie Prejean: “I wasn’t concerned about any other state except my state. A majority of the people in my state agreed with me. They believe a marriage should be between a man and a woman and I was marked down because of my opinion. And, I don’t think that’s right.”

(Gateway Pundit link 4)

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Meanwhile, pro-gay Hollywood types jump into the fray by releasing a video attacking those who do not support homosexual marriage, with a fistful of anti-Christian remarks thrown in. Video at the link.

Fox News link 2:

With the way some in Hollywood have piled on Miss California Carrie Prejean since Sunday’s Miss USA pageant, one might think the 21-year-old college student had called for a tax on botox, instead of speaking out against gay marriage.

First, Perez Hilton called her a “dumb [expletive]” in a self-produced video on his Web site.

Then Tinsletown took to Twitter, as the likes of Shanna Moakler, Giuliana Rancic, Holly Madison and Heidi Montag Tweeted their outrage.

Moakler, who is co-chair of the Miss California pageant, Twittered “I agree with Perez 100 [percent].”

E! News anchor Giuliana Rancic Twittered on Tuesday that “I know i’m a journalist, and i should be objective … but she is an ignorant disgrace and she makes me sick to my stomach.”

(Gateway Pundit link 5)

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Michelle Malkin includes a summary of the whole hoo-hah for reading by the general public in a syndicated column. It seems that Perez Hilton spews his hate on Larry King as well, and that the Miss USA organizers have chosen to support him over Carrier Prejean.

$%^&*!!: Civility and tolerance in the Age of Obama

Celebrity leech/trash blogger Perez Hilton took to the Internet and TV airwaves to humiliate a beauty pageant contestant who gave what he considered an “offensive” answer about gay marriage. Hilton, inexplicably serving as a judge of the Miss USA contest, had asked Miss California Carrie Prejean whether she supported the legalization of gay marriage. Prejean respectfully answered: “I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a woman. No offense to anybody out there, but that’s how I was raised.” President Obama, by the way, defines marriage the same way Carrie Prejean does.

No matter. Hilton immediately lambasted Prejean as a “dumb b*tch” in a viral YouTube video he taped after the pageant Sunday night. He apologized the next morning for the attack, then retracted his apology, then escalated his divisive rhetoric. On Tuesday afternoon, Hilton told an MSNBC female anchor that he was thinking of an even more vulgar epithet – the “c-word” – as he listened to Prejean’s answer. The female anchor said nothing. Basking in his new role as thought and speech enforcer, Hilton told CNN’s Larry King that beauty pageant contestants must bow to the tolerance mob: “Yes. I do expect Miss USA to be politically correct.”

And apparently, the Miss USA organizers agree. Instead of apologizing for pageant judge Perez Hilton’s vile behavior, the pageant director of the Miss California contest, Keith Lewis, sent a note to Hilton throwing Prejean under the bus: “I am personally saddened and hurt that Miss CA USA 2009 believes marriage rights belong only to a man and a woman…Religious beliefs have no place in politics in the Miss CA family.”

But gutter profanity and misogyny do?

(Michelle Malkin link 3)

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Some of Carrie Prejean’s fellow Miss USA contestants say that she should have been more ‘politically correct’, i.e., ought to have lied in order to win.

The Miss USA contestants from the four states that allow same-sex marriage say Miss California should have been more politically correct and socially aware when she was asked for her thoughts on the issue during the nationally televised pageant on Sunday.

Miss Massachusetts Alison Cronin told FOXNews.com she was “shocked” when Carrie Prejean, 21, told Miss USA judge and celebrity gossip blogger Perez Hilton that she believes marriage should be “between a man and a woman.”

“It’s really hard to think that people still think that way,” Cronin said. “But at the same time, there’s a lot of girls in pageants who wear their religion on their sleeve. If that’s what she thinks, I give her credit for expressing that, but that’s not how I feel.”

Cronin, 22, said she supports gay marriage.

Miss Connecticut Monica Mary Pietzrak, called Prejean a “wonderful girl” but said she should have been more conscious of the national audience.

“In general, when you’re answering a question like that, you have to be politically correct about it,” Pietzrak told FOXNews.com. “I would’ve answered differently to help accommodate all beliefs. It’s a decision between two individuals, and not just a man and a woman.”

Pietzrak said she doesn’t share Prejean’s view that marriage should be limited to opposite-sex couples. “I don’t personally agree with that, but people have a choice to do whatever they want.”

Miss Iowa Chelsea Lynn Gauger, 20, said her state, whose Supreme Court just this month declared a legislative ban on same-sex marriage unconstitutional, is ahead of the country.

“Being from Iowa, I’m proud to say that our state has interpreted the Constitution to say that gays have the right to marry,” Gauger said. “Whether you agree with [Prejean] or not, to be on national television and say exactly how you feel, it does take strength and faith.”

“People have blown it out of proportion,” Gauger added. “I don’t think people are thinking what it would be like to be up there like she was. It’s sad that people can’t just keep their feelings to themselves.”

Miss Vermont Brooke Werner, who said she was shocked by Prejean’s statement, acknowledged the high-pressure situation that many, including Miss California herself, thought cost her the crown.

“Everyone has a right to their own actions,” Werner said. “But I totally disagree with Carrie. I have a very different perspective on gay marriage and I would have never said what she said.”

Cronin said if Prejean had answered differently, she might be taking promotional tours this week instead of defending her comments.

“Had she gone the other way with the question, she might have won,” Miss Massachusetts said. “I’m surprised that she would say it, knowing the demographic she was speaking to.”

But Prejean’s decision not to compromise her beliefs was admirable, Cronin said.

“She would’ve made herself look more like an idiot if she changed her mind,” she said. “You got to be able to back up your opinion and not become wishy-washy. Good for her for standing by it.”

(Fox News link 3)

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And here’s what the owner of the Miss USA contest, Donal Trump has to say – that basically, Perez Hilton put Carrie Prejean in a no-win situation.

The owner of the Miss Universe franchise finally addressed the scandal surrounding his Miss USA pageant to FOX News Thursday, saying that he has received thousands of calls and letters, the majority of which support Miss California’s comments on gay marriage.

Many have argued that the answer cost Prejean the crown. But Trump disagreed, congratulating Dalton and saying that she deserved to win.

“I am very honored that she won,” Trump told FOX News. “She really did a fantastic job … She was doing well on every single card and she really did answer also a very, very tough question very well.”

But Trump defended Prejean as well, disagreeing with Perez Hilton’s assertion that it was the worst answer in the history of the Miss USA pageant.

“Miss California has done a wonderful job, that was her belief … It wasn’t a bad answer, that was simply her belief.”

Trump added that Prejean’s question was “a bit unlucky,” arguing that no matter how she answered the question “she was going to get killed.”

(Fox News link 4)

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Stephen Crowder makes fun of Perez Hilton:

(The Jawa Report link 2

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All the way across the Atlantic ocean, Alan Duncan,a member of the Tory Party of the United Kingdom, insults and jokes about killing Carrie Prejean.

Shadow leader of the House of Commons Alan Duncan was appearing on BBC comedy show “Have I Got News For You” when he made the gaffe.

Mr Duncan, who had earlier in the show revealed his ambition to become Home Secretary, was discussing American Beauty Queen Carrie Prejean’s belief that same sex marriages were wrong.

And the MP called her a “silly b***h” and said “If you read that Miss California is murdered you will know it was me”.

The comment has provoked outrage among viewers with complaints being filed with the BBC and the Broadcasting Standards Authority.

The Rev George Hargreaves, leader of the Christian Party said today “Mr Duncan has crossed the line. A senior politician suggesting, even as a joke, that it is OK that Ms. Prejean should be murdered for her Evangelical Christian views is totally unacceptable.

(Gateway Pundit link 6

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MSNBC’s Chris Matthews insults Carrie Prejean on his show, accusing her of cutting off a manhood:

(Moonbattery link 2)

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Gloria Feldt insults Carrie Prejean and makes fun of her assets:

(Moonbattery link 3)

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A tabloid website posts revealing pictures of Carrie Prejean without her consent and mocks her Christian faith:

With partially nude photos of her popping up on Web sites questioning her Christian credentials, Miss California USA Carrie Prejean has fired back, claiming the racy pictures are just modeling shots and vowing to continue her battle against same-sex marriage.

“I am a Christian, and I am a model,” Prejean said in a statement released overnight to the media. “Models pose for pictures, including lingerie and swimwear photos. Recently, photos taken of me as a teenager have been released surreptitiously to a tabloid Web site that openly mocks me for my Christian faith. I am not perfect, and I will never claim to be.”

…The Web site thedirty.com claimed that it had six pictures of Prejean. As of Tuesday morning, it had posted one on its site. The picture shows Prejean wearing nothing but a pair of revealing pink panties and smiling over her shoulder at the camera. Her breasts are covered by her arm.

The picture was deemed too racy to be shown on the TODAY Show.

(Gateway Pundit link 7)

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Carrie Prejean sues Miss California contest for religious discrimination:

Carrie Prejean’s attorney, Charles S. LiMandri announced today that the former Miss California USA is filing a complaint in the Superior Court of California against Miss California USA officials Keith Lewis and Shanna Moakler, and publicist Roger Neal. The complaint cites damages to Miss Prejean including libel, public disclosure of private facts, religious discrimination, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and negligent infliction of emotional distress.

Miss Prejean was fired from her role as Miss California USA in June of this year, following several months of controversy over her answer at the Miss USA pageant regarding same-sex marriage. Lewis claimed Miss Prejean’s termination was due to a violation of contract. Miss Prejean’s complaint will refute that allegation, and demonstrate that both the chronology and factual evidence clearly show she lived up to all her contractual obligations, but was fired, harassed and publicly attacked solely due to her religious beliefs.

And Perez Hilton draws vulgar graphics onto Carrie Prejean’s photo in response (American Power link 1 below).

(Gateway Pundit link 8, American Power link 1)

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ADDENDUMS

A reminder of what homosexual marriage supporters are like when it comes to discourse with their opponents:

Anti Prop 8 Homosexuals Hate at Mormons

Separation of church and hate… Is what the fence is doing.

The scene of this ‘peaceful, tolerance-promoting protest’ is Carrie Prejean’s California, by the way. The state’s voters recently passed Proposition 8, restricting the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, by 52.24% to 47.76%. So in giving her honest answer, she was reflecting the beliefs of a majority of her home state.

And as for why Carrie Prejean equates supporting only heterosexual marriage with staying true to her God and her faith, see Bible Passages That Oppose Homosexuality – Including the Words of Jesus and God Himself (do check it out – even if you’re familiar with the usual passages cited, you may find some new arguments here).

Day by Day has a cartoon on the topic. Preview below:

From Diversity Lane:

More editorial cartoons:

True, via Michelle Malkin link 1:

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32 Responses to “Miss California Carrie Prejean Marriage Remarks Controversy – Roundup of Updates”

  1. Zack Rawsthorne Says:

    Fantastic excursion through and summary of the whole nauseating spectacle, Scott. One need hardly go further than here to become thoroughly acquainted with the details of this new low in Western civilization. The vile P.Hilton and his innumerable minions of hatemongers are nothing short of bigotted, McCarthyite career-destroyers, barring the opportunities of countless people (Prejean only the most recent) due to their victims’ ideas or religious beliefs. What’s so consummately dreadful about them is that unlike McCarthy, who at least stood against the objective evil of Communism, these bigots seek to overthrow the most common and universally accepted custom in the history of the world: the sanctity and unique standard of heterosexual marriage.

  2. j Says:

    LOL! I love how the previous comment calls Hilton bigoted and yet Prejean is not?

    “sanctity and unique standard of heterosexual marriage” also made me laugh out loud. Go vote for another 4-time-divorced Republican.

    Prejean may be classier than Hilton, that is true. But she is also more bigoted, short-sighted and laughable.

  3. nomad Says:

    Asking a question about same sex marriage at a Miss America pageant seems totally inappropriate, bad form

  4. j Says:

    P.S. – What is wrong with that protest photo? People holding signs, someone climbing on a fence, not over it or throwing things or anything like that. This is what is wrong with you rightwing nutjobs. You have real trouble interpreting reality and facts.

  5. Nomad Says:

    apparently someone never told Perez Hilton that “beauty comes from the inside”

  6. PeterP Says:

    The question was ‘Do you think…’ & ‘Why or why not?’

    Her answer : ‘I think that I believe….’

    That’s her opinion and she is entitled to it. What PC cowdung are they talking about ? And they call themselves liberals !!

    Not tolerating and marking her down for her beliefs is pure bigotry.

    Obviously, Hilton has allowed his beliefs to cloud his judgement of her answer. He should never have been made a judge in the contest.

  7. Debi Mecham Says:

    Carrie, I don’t even know you yet I love you! No I’m not homosexual although have worked with several and have family members that are. I have been happily married for 16 years…to a man. That is how the plumbing works best. God does things perfectly. I’m so proud of you. You go girl!~

  8. Doug Says:

    The thing that I find funny, is that the liberals, progressives, communists, or whatever they are, are showimg their true colors. Now it’s not ok to have an oppinion that is not the same as yours? This is directed at “J”. I think you’re one of the reasons this country is heading where it’s heading, you and your liberal friends. God help us all.

  9. Adifferentvoice Says:

    Having read the comments, I conclude that j wins the prize for being the MOST bigoted, short-sighted and laughable,

  10. a red voice Says:

    Can you imagine if this story were reversed??? Can you imagine what would happen if a Christian Judge gave a homosexual contestant a score of zero, called her a b—- and a c—, openly criticized her for her beliefs on same sex marriage, and defaced her pictures. Heads would roll. There would be numerous law suits filed for discrimination for hate crimes. But hey since it is only a homosexual discriminating against a Christian; it’s somehow perfectly acceptable??? Perez Hilton is not a fair judge and should not be a judge for any competition ever! Miss California should NOT have been discriminated against and given a zero score for disclosing her own religious beliefs when asked this personal question.

    I totally admire and respect Carrie Prejean for doing the right thing in defending traditional marriage and being true to her beliefs, even though it may have cost her the crown. Bravo to her!!

  11. Zack Rawsthorne Says:

    Great points, all of you who agreed with me (self mocking laughter in background). Red Voice, that’s such a dramatic and useful exercise: to reverse the situation in order to demonstrate the ludicrous disparity in reactions. I like to do that too, and, owing to the current McCarthyite deathgrip and brainwash on our country (vastly more pervasive than McCarthyism ever was), virtually every time I do this mental exercise the Left comes out looking like hysterical, bullying career-destroyers, just as they demonstrably are in this current situation. P.S. A digression, for all conservatives: START THINKING ABOUT IMPEACHMENT, NOW. It is never too early to contemplate and then work to enact, presidential impeachment: the working factor is the criminal nature of the offending elected official, not the amount of time in office. His virtual bankrupting of our country (and the promise of even more insurmountable debts), his laying us open to attacks via the recent declassification of the CIA memos– these may stand up as valid terms for action against this WPIUSH (Worst President in US History).

  12. peng Says:

    Bravo Carrie Prejean. Beauty with brains and a backbone!
    And thanks Scott for this enlightening article.

  13. Bob Johnson Says:

    With everything going on, how does any of this matter? What a tempest in a teapot. Good heavens folks look around in your sad pathetic lives. Look at you family, you homes and friends and really soul search.

    Is this important?

    No, it isn’t. This will be forgotten in a month.

  14. Adifferentvoice Says:

    It didn’t happen to you, Bob Johnson, so you’ll forget it in a month, or a week? It’s no skin off you nose, is it?

    What was P. Hilton doing as a judge on the show, anyway? He will probably demand that cross-dressers (we call them pondans) and gays be included in beauty contests previously reserved for girls/women.

  15. Zack Rawsthorne Says:

    Good point, Adifferentvoice. A nationally televised prime time Miss Drag America can’t be far off; why, it would be discrimiation NOT to have such a telecast! Not that any major network would argue with them over it anymore anyway. Also look for Miss Transgendered World and Miss Transexual Universe pageants.

  16. Kitty's Dad (Simon) Says:

    Zack, thanks for The Trans-Celestial Line drawing you forwarded to Scott. Mighty glad to see it. Kitty Poo remains very much in our thoughts, and in the lives of his Dad and Ma.

  17. Zack Rawsthorne Says:

    You’re so welcome, Simon. More than a few times I’ve contemplated that painting as I reflect on my own dearly departed pets. Kitty Poo is as we speak frolicking up a storm with friends on some heavenly expanse– warm, happy and in His care forever.

  18. Kitty's Dad (Simon) Says:

    Kitty Poo seems to have found the means and time to come back several times. He came 3 months after his departure, to ma in her sleep, to lie in her arms for just a wee moment, to comfort her. We don’t ask for this, we don’t understand how, but accept whatever happens.

  19. Zack Rawsthorne Says:

    Yes indeed– my two cats both came back to me for fleeting visits– one as an invisible, overheard (and 100% distinctive) meow, the other as a clear sighting in my very dining room for just seconds. Clearly the train ride is not just a one-way trip.

  20. Kitty's Dad (Simon) Says:

    Kitty Poo’s bell is distinctive; ma hears it on and off. One consequence of his brief sojourn with us is the realization that there are things we have to do before our own turn comes to depart from earth. Ma now helps train a small group of church women to sing and perform; and I’ll return to preaching in Dec.

  21. Zack Rawsthorne Says:

    Inspiring. Thanks for your work, both of you.

  22. Scott Thong Says:

    With everything going on, how does any of this matter? What a tempest in a teapot. Good heavens folks look around in your sad pathetic lives. Look at you family, you homes and friends and really soul search.

    Is this important?

    No, it isn’t. This will be forgotten in a month. – Bob Johnson

    You are absolutely right, Bob!

    The left-wing moonbat media should stop focusing on bashing Carrie Prejean immediately, and get to covering the really important issues – like how Obama is pushing America into almost 2 trillion of debt, how his approval rating is at only +1 (lower than Bush after the same period), how his cap and trade will cause electricity prices to skyrocket (as he admitted on video), how he intends to prosecute American law enforcement agents while using taxpayer money to sponsor terrorists to live in America…

    You are SO ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, Bob!

  23. JoeS Says:

    Caught this last night on CNN- Larry King, what with the national & worldwide spectacle made here & how things & postures have turned, I’d say the signs have arrived that Carrie is likely busy with lawyers planning the reverse all out crap down! This show was poor journalism (the spot journalism God-Satan sound bit couldn’t have made CNN’s anger of the no show any clearer, too bad, what of journalistic integrity? The show featured several panel members who need to tend to their own currently torn existence rather than bringing others down. The one ‘smart’ gal kept her trap shut. Have so many people lost touch with reality here? Larry, you have to ask if this is a liberty question? Liberty’s been thrown in a ditch & they’ve tossed her a shovel! Of course it is, both side are within their rights to have their position here. Slander, defamation, persecution and the like are another issue though. Such complete hypocrisy has no place in America. The world is watching so closely here to further validate, verify & justify what ‘s been said by so many worldwide along the lines of the American trash heap, to put it nicely. In a time of need for healing & renewal this type of hypocritical thinking, acting out, disease & destruction has no place. As the old saying goes, to those that bring hell are sure to receive it. Talk about your soap operatic kingdom comes! Afraid this is it & it’s on! And the band played ‘Sign, sign, everywhere a sign….”
    Joe in Chicago

  24. Dane Says:

    Prejean-Miss Hypocrite
    Carrie Prejean, the Miss California contestant, was correct about homosexuality! It is mortal filth
    and condemned by God’s Word…but Prejean poses semi nude and topless EXPOSING HER
    BREASTS and revealing the bottom of her buttocks…then lied about it…and then she parades
    her body around in the Miss California Pageant EXPOSING HER PARTIAL BREASTS and
    buttocks in a sexual immoral swimsuit before the world! She is 100% a HYPOCRITE and
    she does NOT represent Jesus Christ nor a Christian!!
    Jesus said it this way, “Anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery
    with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better
    for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into Hell.” [Mt. 5:28,29]

  25. Scott Thong Says:

    So we all agree that marriage is marriage is between a man and a woman. Hurray!

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  28. poofs Says:

    Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende attacked on Friday claims by a retired U.S. general that Dutch forces were overrun in Srebrenica in 1995 because of the presence of gay soldiers.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62I1P220100319

  29. Ron Says:

    Apparently, Ms. Prejean is not familiar with the scriptures:

    “In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

    But which becometh women professing godliness with good works.”
    (1 Timothy 2:9-10)

  30. Scott Thong Says:

    Mmhmm, and since when has Ms. Prejean and her occupation been held up as an example for young Christian girls to follow?

  31. Ron Says:

    Whoops, I was wrong. She’s just a garden-variety hypocrite:

    ‘No one is perfect’

    In the book, Prejean talks about her Christian beliefs and condemns the ubiquity of pornography. Young women should resist the pressures of popular culture, of sex, she said, writing, “Our bodies are temples of the Lord. We should earn respect and admiration for our hearts, not for showing skin to look sexy.”

    http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/33823079/

  32. Simon Thong Says:

    Can’t get his way with us, now ron has to attack a young woman..tsk tsk..

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