Separation of Church and Hate


…Is what that wire fence is doing.

Anti Prop 8 Homosexuals Hate at Mormons

Via Moonbattery – Who Are the Haters?.

(As for the leftmost signboard, as I’ve noticed often, liberals only ever give a care about Christian values and the Bible when they want Christians to back down out of an argument. Make up your minds, people – do you want us to adhere to Biblically-based Christian values, or not?)

See my post Traditional Values Still Fighting On Even Under an Obama Presidency for a link collection on the rioting, harassment and violence being commited by homosexuals and their supporters (gay but unhappy!).

Or read excerpts of this article by Michelle Malkin, with links to the news reports at her site:

The insane rage of the same-sex marriage mob

The mob of left-wing, same-sex marriage activists incensed at their defeat in California. Voters there approved a traditional marriage initiative, Proposition 8, by 52-48.

Instead of introspection and self-criticism, however, the sore losers who opposed Prop. 8 have responded with threats, fists, and blacklists.

That’s right. Activists have published an “Anti-Gay Black List” of Prop. 8 donors on the Internet.

A Los Angeles restaurant whose manager made a small donation to the Prop. 8 campaign has been besieged nightly by hordes of protesters who have disrupted the business, intimidated patrons, and brought employees there to tears. In fear for their jobs and their lives, workers at El Coyote Mexican Café pooled together $500 to pay off the bullies.

Over the past two weeks, anti-Prop. 8 organizers have targeted Mormon, Catholic, and evangelical churches. Sentiments like this one, found on the anti-Prop.8 website “JoeMyGod,” are common across the left-wing blogosphere: “Burn their f—ing churches to the ground, and then tax the charred timbers.” Thousands of gay-rights demonstrators stood in front of the Mormon temple in Los Angeles shouting “Mormon scum.” The Mormon headquarters in Salt Lake City received threatening letters containing an unidentified powder. Religious-bashing protesters filled with hate decried the “hate” at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in Orange County, Calif. Vandals defaced the Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills, Calif., because church members had collected Prop. 8 petitions. One worshiper’s car was keyed with the slogans “Gay sex is love” and “SEX;” another car’s antenna and windshield wipers were broken.

In Carlsbad, Calif., a man was charged with punching his elderly neighbors over their pro-Prop. 8 signs. In Palm Springs, a videographer filmed unhinged anti-Prop. 8 marchers who yanked a large cross from the hands of 69-year-old Phyllis Burgess and stomped on it.

In San Francisco, Christians evangelizing in the Castro district needed police protection after the same-sex marriage mob got physical and hounded them off the streets.

Corporate honchos, church leaders, and small donors alike are in the same-sex marriage mob’s crosshairs, all unfairly demonized as hate-filled bigots by bona fite hate-filled bigots who have abandoned decency in pursuit of “equal rights.”

With her syndicated column on the subject here.

Chuck Norris summarizes here, pointing out how Obama detractors haven’t similarly rioted, and how the militant gays have NOT attacked Black churches even though 70% of Blacks voted for Proposition 8.

Andre Breitbart challenges them to protest at a mosque.


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34 Responses to “Separation of Church and Hate”

  1. Zack R Says:

    There’s no hate like that of people who see themselves as Victims, and thanks to the Democrats and the whole “gay=sainted-minority” zeitgeist, plenty of angry self-righteous victims are being whipped up regularly. Best thing would be for the Gays to go to war against the Blacks and Latinos who so clearly do not support gay marriage. At the very least the clash would be rife with fabulously designed troop uniforms.

  2. Objective Scrutator Says:

    Homosexuals are a national security threat. Allowing them to freely walk around our streets is akin to allowing an earthquake to destroy the buildings on Wall Street. A moral and just government simply does not allow sinners to freely roam the streets. Hopefully, the Republican Congress, which will have a 200 vote advantage in 2010 over the Democrats, will be able to forcibly rehabilitate the Sodomites in clinics specifically designed for them.

    “Best thing would be for the Gays to go to war against the Blacks and Latinos who so clearly do not support gay marriage. ”

    Every demographic except liberals, Democrats, and idiot man-children under 25 supports protecting marriage. Personally, I want to see the homosexuals take on the labor unions for the sake of earning Obama Osama’s attention. Maybe both groups will just implode, and American can finally continue as normal.

  3. simon thong Says:

    Victims? Not gays in the USA. Once they were in the closet. Like Old Mother Hubbard who lived in a Cupboard. Now, they are out in the world, PROUD of what is still regarded by the majority as perversion. Gay is right. Straight is wrong. The world has gone topsy-turvy.

  4. tsfiles Says:

    “Liberals only ever give a care about Christian values and the Bible when they want Christians to back down out of an argument. ”

    Great observation. And true.

  5. wits0 Says:

    No Simon, gays are not victims in the USA. They, however, evolve into ugly usurpers of traditional marriage when they wilfully morphed into anti-Pop 8 in the name of “rights”.

    Why can’t they just form their own terms of liason instead of stealing? This makes them ugly beyond wasteful regards. Prop 8 is just and proper. Even thinking non Christians are likely to agree.

  6. simon thong Says:

    You’re right, witsO; gays stopped being victims long ago. They victimize the rest of us who are straight. Normal marriages, though fraught with problems, are still sought after. The man-woman relationship brings purpose, meaning and satisfaction. It is ENVY of what we have, and which they cannot find in their man-man or woman-woman relationships, that compels them to steal from us. Once, they borrowed from us: drag queens, remember, who are perversions of graceful and lovely young women.And if they can’t have what we have, neither should we, so they turn violent and destructive. ENVY is a terrible emotion. Btw, the rationale for being gay is emotion, not reason. “I feel; therefore, it is right.”

  7. wits0 Says:

    Note: Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal

    “In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders (DSM-II).

    This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists, and they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal and should be affirmed in our culture…… ”
    Go to : http://www.traditionalvalues.org/urban/eleven.php
    ———

    Simon: “I feel; therefore, it is right.”

    Which is little different from saying that. “I can indulge in anything and that makes it right” because of personal choice within a tolerant society. In one fell swoop, they want to seize all the rights and protections that has been so long accorded normal marriage. This is nonsense and deviously unearned.

    Even normal sex is not actually such a vital need as food and shelter. What more kinky “sex” because of indulgent and weird taste?

  8. simon thong Says:

    The prayer of every normal mother and father today, “Please Lord, may my son be a MAN, and my daughter a woman!” We live in fear that someone may turn out to be gay.

  9. matkilat Says:

    yeah well this is wrong, but I notice you didn’t mention the equally disgusting behavior of xtian fundamentalists against gays.

    “God Hates Fags” demonstrations at funerals anyone?

    John Haggee making blatantly homophobic statements, including “The AntiChrist is Gay”?

    Obviously its not as militant as some of these gay-rights nutters, but lets not deny that christian fundamentalists are not blameless in this issue either.

  10. Scott Thong Says:

    Doubtless there are some fundamentalist fringes who go a bit too far and veere into the realm of impoliteness.

    But do update me when Christian fundamentalists start organizing state-wide boycotts, protests, harassment and vandalism of organizations, individuals and businesses, and bashing young women on the head with books, molesting young men in public, beating up old ladies, spray painting property, throwing condoms during family gatherings, and attacking Mormon temples because of differing beliefs.

  11. matkilat Says:

    Well if you compare it NOW and only in the US, then we can agree, militant gays are more violent.

    However, go back a few decades and you will see the statistics are skewed in the other direction where gays faced ostracism and even physical violence by christian fundamentalists, especially in the South.

    So there is a track record of perpetuating a climate of hostility, which was initiated by the church, and still continued by a lot of the more extreme (but also somehow popular!) ministers, Haggee being a prime example, but also Dobson and the now-disgraced Ted Haggard.

    Of course, it doesn’t make the current actions of the militants right.

    These people should be dealt with harshly, however, looks like the PC brigade is far too strong in the US, where every action against a minority group – no matter how valid, is viewed through the lense of “racism” or “discrimination”.

    But hey, look on the bright side. At least you are better than the UK! And if you get too upset with the gays, you can always move to Russia. There, they still view gays with the traditional Bible-belt hostility.

  12. Scott Thong Says:

    So where do peaceable Christians move to when Britain, the EU, and the US have made Christianity practically illegal (in favour of Islam, atheism, liberalism et al)? China I suppose…

    Right on the PC brigade. Note how no Black churches have been targeted for harassment, even though a supermajority of Blacks voted for Proposition 8.

  13. Juan Rodriguez Says:

    Um, er,
    don’t think it’d be a good idea for militant gays to attack a black church.

    Likely get their #$%! kicked out of them.

    I’m sure militant gays know that already.

  14. HoosierArmyMom Says:

    You know, if a preacher preaches what the Bible states about homosexuality, then he is be an abuser??? Is that violence?? I don’t think Christians, or at least Christians who get it, have ever laid a finger on gay people. We don’t protest them at Gay Bars or Bathhouses. I think you will find those who “hate gays” and beat them up or murder them are definitely NOT Christian by the example set by Christ. I get sick of Gays pointing fingers at those who preach the Bible as being “homophobic and abusers of the gay community”. Geez… what a bunch of losers.

  15. simon thong Says:

    The tyranny of the minority is what is common in the West, and the violence of Gays is an extreme but not a unique phenomenon of this.

  16. Hmmmmm Says:

    you are being too judgemental, full of prejudice, presumptious generalisation, simon thong, you haven’t even experienced life in the west as it really is nor have you come known any of them on personal level and you are already that vindictive. Sympathy is what I have for you. While others will go an eye for an eye being verbally abusive and patronising on both sides, I am not going stoop to that level. I feel sorry for you. May you not show condescence and disgust but filled with empathy and sympathy. Bless you.

  17. simon thong Says:

    How would you know that I’ve not travelled or lived in the west? Presumptious, aren’t you, Hmmmmm? People in glass houses…

  18. simon thong Says:

    Anyway, loosen up, Hmmmmm. Don’t feel superior, or insulted. Hold onto your emotions. It’s a blog, a place for discussion, for speaking your mind. Even bigots are allowed though who the bigots are is really unimportant. Show some “empathy and sympathy”, to put it in your own words. Come down from your pedestal and tell us what you think. Don’t be patronising.

  19. Hmmmmm Says:

    Am I being patronising? I am just telling you the a very straighforward opinion in the hope that you will realise your error ways. You may go for overseas holiday, course what-so-ever does not mean you understand foreign culture. An anology, a school kid may learn nothing much from school if he is just there to play rather than the willingness to learn😉

    Don’t worry I am not being emotional, I am being straighforward with my opinion just like you are expressing yourself here. You are blunt with your expressions but I doubt you are angry, so am I. Are you seeing your own reflection? Do you like it or hate it?😀

    Of course you can champion freedom of expression, but you have to also understand the more freedom you have, the more responsibilites you should bear, the more the consequences you have to face. If you can’t face consequences you do not like, then you are irresponsible. Again I am not angry, I am just stating fact, harsh fact which to some people who are not used to being rebutted, might seem like an emotional statement.😀

  20. Hmmmmmmm Says:

    Am I being patronising? I am just telling you the a very straighforward opinion in the hope that you will realise your error ways. You may go for overseas holiday, course what-so-ever does not mean you understand foreign culture. An anology, a school kid may learn nothing much from school if he is just there to play rather than the willingness to learn

    Don’t worry I am not being emotional, I am being straighforward with my opinion just like you are expressing yourself here. You are blunt with your expressions but I doubt you are angry, so am I. Are you seeing your own reflection? Do you like it or hate it?

    Of course you can champion freedom of expression, but you have to also understand the more freedom you have, the more responsibilites you should bear, the more the consequences you have to face. If you can’t face consequences you do not like, then you are irresponsible. Again I am not angry, I am just stating fact, harsh fact which to some people who are not used to being rebutted, might seem like an emotional statement.

  21. simon thong Says:

    You may want to keep away from emotional words to reduce misunderstanding; can you at least control that much of yourself? I look in the mirror and like what I see. Enough people like what they see, too.

    My question is, “When do you actually understand a foreign culture?” Only if I agree with what you say, is the import of your argument. Can’t I understand your culture (if it is what we are talking about) and still disagree with it? Even within a culture, many don’t understand a major chunk of it, for no one experiences the whole of one’s culture. And among those who understand it, can’t they reject various aspects of it without being accused of not understanding it? Understanding may equal acceptance in your books, but not in mine.

    By the way, a school kid may not learn what the teachers want, but there are aspects of learning that he picks up, such as the hypocrisy of teachers (do what I say, not what I do), their pettiness (I’ll fail you coz you didn’t hand in your homework), their envy (“Why should Mrs Smith go off earlier when we have to stay till 5?), and their prejudice (clean-faced boys in smart uniforms get let off for rule-breaking), to mention a few.

    As for freedom of expression, it is always within limits; you don’t have to major in any -ology to know that. Walk over to your neighbour and tell him he’s a toad, and you’ll soon find that your freedom of expression ends at the impact of his bunched fist.

  22. shortermarvin Says:

    They say: God has a son, had God adopted a son, He would have adopted one from His own creation, but He is God.
    The Holy Bible is a book of fantasies about the Messiah Jesus a man who was crucified by the pen. Who know more about a man murder then the men who committed the murder? Can you not see all the detail in the murder? To this day no man can give a full detail about a man life except “Lord God”. The Christians and the Jews over plotted in stealing information out of {The Koran with Parallel Arabic Text}.Can you not see that they are fantasizing about “Allah Almighty God” the World Greatest Most High Exalted Creator and Ruler of the Universe. Who did not take the form of a mortal man? This is but one of their fantasies, to clean you of your sins. All “Allah” need say is Be, & it is. People, (The Koran) is “Heaven”, and in Heaven you will find “God”, who lives in Heaven? Also you will find “Paradise” the home of the African-Americans who is the Israelites & Egyptians (Muslims) the faithful servants of Lord God. And the fire that surrounds “Paradise” is the Holy Bible of damnation. The tree that God had commanded you to keep away from He is the Forgiving One, the Merciful God. Allah, we submit this seeking Your divine mercy

  23. Simon Thong Says:

    shortermarvin, what fantasies and illusions you delve in…the Bible deals not in fantasies but fact.

  24. Scott Thong Says:

    The Christians and the Jews over plotted in stealing information out of {The Koran with Parallel Arabic Text}.

    Also you will find “Paradise” the home of the African-Americans who is the Israelites & Egyptians (Muslims) the faithful servants of Lord God. – shortermarvin

    Dude sounds like an offshoot of Nation of Islam’s black superiority.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam#Teachings_on_race

    “The Blackman is the original man. From him came all brown, yellow, red, and white people. By using a special method of birth control law, the Blackman was able to produce the white race. This method of birth control was developed by a Black scientist known as Yakub, who envisioned making and teaching a nation of people who would be diametrically opposed to the Original People. A Race of people who would one day rule the original people and the earth for a period of 6,000 years. Yakub promised his followers that he would graft a nation from his own people, and he would teach them how to rule his people, through a system of tricks and lies whereby they use deceit to divide and conquer, and break the unity of the darker people, put one brother against another, and then act as mediators and rule both sides.” – Elijah Muhammad

    Although judging by his blog, his thought processes are more along the lines of random integers.

  25. queer bird Says:

    Michelle Malkin is a fascist, racist, homophobic twinkie. If push came to shove she’d sell out her own family. She’s what the Soviets used to call a useful idiot.

  26. Scott Thong Says:

    Funny, I thought ‘useful idiots’ referred to those who wittingly or unwittingly aided the cause of the Commies. Y’know, like the Democrats and American liberals.

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/304618.php

    But do help us here… What exactly did Ms Malkin say that outs her as a fascist, racist, homophobe who’d sell out her own family? With her reams of published material easily available on her blog, I’m sure you can easily pluck an example out to prove to us here how EVUUUUUL she is.

  27. Marvin Shorter, Jr, Says:

    On {9/11/01}, Allah, “Lord God” being all-knowing and wise had ordain by decree that George W. Bush is to receive His revelations to give to the leaders of the United Nations: {The Egyptians Black’s Testimony of Aminah}. To put them and America under Him protection, he refuse bring the destruction of 9/11. One plane crash in Jerusalem, two-airplanes crash into the Twin Towers in New York City. Also one plane crashes into an over field, and one plane crash into the Pentagon. Now George W. Bush sitting in a elementary class seeing that the revelation of Lord God is true. That America is unprotected by Him for worshiping the mortal man, “Jesus”. The sacrifice that “Allah” do not like giving Him a son in His worship and in His praise. That is the sin before Lord God. Who has no son? Bush, said: rout the planes away from our monuments. And rout them over the cities and shoot them down over it. Caring nothing about the people who voted him into office? While he’s in the taxpayers jet safe, now Bush feeling like a fool, having no proof, who did 9/11. To save his job framed: Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Now for the victim’s family of 9/11, he had them to sign papers saying: they will not suit them. He refuses to pay them letting misery fall upon them forcing them to sign. Allah Almighty God please forgive them and grant Your exalted peace.

  28. Marvin Shorter, Jr, Says:

    People, who is it that protects all, and against Him there is no protect. Say: God. So will you not worship Him then?
    Fear Allah Almighty God the World Greatest Most High Exalted Creator & Ruler of the Universe. Who will destroy all countries & nations that will not worship Him only showing Superior {Power & Strength} the All-powerful Lord God? Who has no son name Jesus or no wife name Mary. And it is a sin to say so. Will you not take heed? To Allah alone is true worship due. He alone is worthy of exalting to the highest highs of glory, honor and praise. It is “Allah” who warns you all before destruction (to repent) and fear His exalted (Power). Or be destroy by Him with: Fires and Smoke, Winds, Thunderstorms and Flooding, Mud, Snow and Hailstorms, Earthquakes, Tornadoes & Hurricanes and many others destruction by Lord God. Allah, let misery & misfortune falls on those that will not worship Him only.

  29. Marvin Shorter, Jr, Says:

    George W. Bush and the (Christians) United States government know that I am receiving General Relief and that it is only Two hundred and twenty-one dollars a month. They shorten General Relief & Ware fare from a year to nine months. Allah, the Christians in America and other countries is refusing to pay me child support for Torah & Gospel that puts them under Your protection. “Allah” I cannot afford to hire the African-Americans who is the Israelites and Egyptians (Muslims), Your faithful servants, the repenting ones. Allah, please help me “Lord God”. The (Christians) & Jews have declared war on us. They raise the food and utilities so high that we cannot afford it, alone with the gas & oil prices. We couldn’t equal afford to pay our mortgages. They had imposes very high taxes & fee that is ill legal in Your sight “Allah”. They put an undercover fee on all things in which they keep raising, from their stamps to their transportation, to keep them living in comfort. George W. Bush had him leaders of the countries to steal my alms: Torah & Gospel. They made robbery rise up in the land forcing good people to turn to selling drugs and prostitution to support themselves and their family. And refuse to give us our state, so that we cannot put peace in all nations as ordain by You. It is written that {the Israelites} will be over all nations. In reading this they made up a three strikes law, giving my people twenty-five years to life, a law not from Lord God: (The Koran). When my people call on the sheriffs or police to settle a family problem, the sheriffs or police shoot down the family member, making the person who call them for help, regret for calling them. When we go to jail, we get years. And Christians get days and weeks

  30. Marvin Shorter, Jr, Says:

    Lord God, George W. Bush and the leaders of the United States government that I send states to putting them under Your protection is refusing to pay for Your protection they are also refusing to free me & to exalt me to honor. Allah promise me in making a sacrifice exalting Him over the Universe He will exalt us over the United Nations. The Christians promise God that when an apostle make a sacrifice exalting Him. They will case aside the Holy Bible and worship Him only. A promise made to God must be answer for. Allah Almighty God will not fail His promise. They had the United States Post Office: to steal my states by mail, that I send to churches in my name: Marvin Shorter, Jr. and address at: 1020 S. Kingsley Dr. #2 Los Angeles, California 90006. He also had At & T, to eavesdrop on all my phone calls. Plus when I was sending small states by e-mail, over my computer to put peace into the Middle East he had his people to send them back. He also had the T.V. news reporters to proclaim: Do not except e-mail from no one that you not know. You will receive a ‘Virus’. These people are wicked & disobedience to Your will, Lord God.

  31. Marvin Shorter, Jr, Says:

    On {3/19/03}, George W. Bush & the (Christians) United States government will be crucified. Their hands & feet’s will be cut off on alternate side in America and the United Nations for deceiving the Americans people & the United Nations. Saying: that Saddam Hussein {has weapons of mass destruction} to take his missiles. “Satan” had to attack quickly to deceive the Americans people and the United Nations into mass murder in the name of terror, for world domination. They bombs Iraq unmercifully killing a multitude of people, men, women and children, unnecessary, They bomb their radio & television stations, their government building, their apartment building, mosques, schools, hotels & hospitals. Satan was trying to make rise the Holy Bible of damnation in Iraq and to steal their oil. Because he saw in reading the scriptures: {The Egyptians Exalted Testimony of Miriam}. That “Allah Almighty God” the World Greatest Most High Exalted Creator and Ruler of the Universe is coming to put me over the United Nations.

  32. Marvin Shorter, Jr, Says:

    “Allah” the one Lord God that is in all bibles promise the African-Americans who are the Israelites and Egyptians (Muslims) in making a sacrifice exalting Him over the Universe. He will exalt us over the United Nations. “Allah” please except this covenant: The Israelites Exalted Prophecy of Korah (Cf. Numbers xvi.)was one of Moses’ people. To “Allah” alone is true worship due. He alone is worthy of exalting to the highest highs of glory, honor and praise. Lord God, we submit this seeking Your mercy. Black people, can you not see that the white Christians and Jews are pretending to be us in the Holy Bible, the Hebrew Bible, the King James & others, the faithful servants of Lord God.

  33. Simon Thong Says:

    Who is this Marvin Shorter, Jr? Spouting away, this rambling preacher without an audience? Whatever he is, it is quite impossible to understand or decipher his words; he requires lessons in English.

  34. Scott Thong Says:

    Sounds like an odd fusion of Nation of Islam that Louis Farrakhan follows (whites are an evil mutant race accidentally created by ancient black scientists), and Black Liberation Theology that Obama’s pastor of 20 years Jeremiah Wright preaches (if God is not for the blacks and against the whites, He is evil and must be killed).

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